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Catalyst Game Labs => BattleTech Game Rules Questions => Supplementary Rules => Topic started by: UnLimiTeD on 19 August 2016, 07:01:08
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Is there any point in using Anti-Penetrative Ablation Armour on, say, an Aerospace Fighter?
As long as the location struck still has at least 1 point of armor remaining, ABA Armor applies an additional –2 roll
modifier to the Critical Hit Check for all attacks made by weapons with armor-piercing abilities...
Now, as far as I understand there is no way to fire at fighters with AP-Ammo, as they themselves can not use(TW p.238) it and it has no effect when used by ground units:
Aerospace units: Armor-piercing ammo has no effect against aerospace units.
Then, page 238/239 goes into details on the ways a fighter can be crit, including damage thresholds. I assume, however, that that doesn't count as "armour piercing capability".
I am not sure about Capital missiles, however, which get an extra roll, and I'm not sure about lucky hits, either, which seem to work like they do on the ground, and on the ground they count as "AP".
Am I correct to assume that 'Anti-Penetrative Ablation Armour' has no actual effect on Aerospace fighters, or was that a premature conclusion?
Edit: I'm reasonably certain this is the wrong forum. Could it be moved somewhere more appropriate? When in doubt, deletion would also be ok.
So, uh, hi? Never been in this section of the forums before.
Is there any point in using Anti-Penetrative Ablation Armour on, say, an Aerospace Fighter?
It says it grants a penalty to incoming critchecks, but if it's indeed only with AP ammo, I guess by common rules that happens exactly never?
I didn't find anything on the topic on these boards, but I might have misspelled it or something.
Any ideas?
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Can you give a book and page reference? We don't answer anything without those.
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Sorry, I should have thought of that.
Edit: Moved the below to the first post:
As long as the location struck still has at least 1 point of armor remaining, ABA Armor applies an additional –2 roll
modifier to the Critical Hit Check for all attacks made by weapons with armor-piercing abilities...
Now, as far as I understand there is no way to fire at fighters with AP-Ammo, as they themselves can not use(TW p.238) it and it has no effect when used by ground units:
Aerospace units: Armor-piercing ammo has no effect against aerospace units.
Then, page 238/239 goes into details on the ways a fighter can be crit, including damage thresholds. I assume, however, that that doesn't count as "armour piercing capability".
I am not sure about Capital missiles, however, which get an extra roll, and I'm not sure about lucky hits, either, which seem to work like they do on the ground.
Am I correct to assume that 'Anti-Penetrative Ablation Armour' has no actual effect on Aerospace fighters, or was that a premature conclusion?
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Sorry for the thread-necro-bump.
Given this topic is still listed as "waiting", is there any further references needed for this?
I suppose I could sum up the original question with "Are there any effects, say, floating crits or capital missiles, that count as armour-piercing against fighters, and thus could be affected by equipment that affects crit rolls?".
If there's no good answer to this at this time, I would assume there are none, and I understand if the topic is considered of limited relevance. :)
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No need to apologize for a bump: this brought it to my attention again. I'll run it up the flagpole.
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Is there any point in using Anti-Penetrative Ablation Armour on, say, an Aerospace Fighter?
No.
Now, as far as I understand there is no way to fire at fighters with AP-Ammo, as they themselves can not use (TW p. 238) it and it has no effect when used by ground units:
Correct.
I assume, however, that that doesn't count as "armour piercing capability".
Correct.
I am not sure about Capital missiles, however, which get an extra roll, and I'm not sure about lucky hits, either, which seem to work like they do on the ground, and on the ground they count as "AP".
Unfortunately, the Anti-Penetrative Ablation Armor rules as found in IntOps pp. 86-87 only refer to "This modifier also applies to the special armor-defeating critical checks made for a hit location roll of 2", so it does not apply to Aerospace TACs, which register on to-hit rolls of twelve, or Capital Missile hits. I don't think anyone would blame you if you house-ruled that, however.