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PA(L) for non-combatants?
« on: 19 June 2020, 20:57:04 »
Do we have anything at all, post-dating the first print-run of TRO'26, that talks of the utility PA(L)s to the support types? I was just thinking 'bout how much armor bridging troops would need to stand near all that reactive on their equipment, to hit the marks under fire, and then the issue upend up underneath me … :yikes:
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Re: PA(L) for non-combatants?
« Reply #1 on: 19 June 2020, 21:11:54 »
Technical Readout: Vehicle Annex?
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Re: PA(L) for non-combatants?
« Reply #2 on: 20 June 2020, 00:07:02 »
 :ticked: It ain't low-hanging fruit if you didn't find it with your forehead.

Do we have any commentary upon organizing such formations? :crash:
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Re: PA(L) for non-combatants?
« Reply #3 on: 20 June 2020, 01:25:38 »
Quote from: Goose on 20 June 2020, 00:07:02
:ticked: It ain't low-hanging fruit if you didn't find it with your forehead.

Do we have any commentary upon organizing such formations? :crash:

Kind of? Technical Readout 3085 gives us some good looks at infantry formations.

The example we have of bridge-builder engineers, for example, don't.

OTOH, as the Sarna entry points out, the Taurian XCT Marines are totally using exoskeletons. The IWM minis are also adorable. Also, tell me the Liao minelayer infantry isn't in an exoskeleton.

TRO3085 Supplemental also gives us the exoskeleton-wearing Heavy Foot LRM Infantry, who look like they could be wearing industrial exoskeletons directly out of TRO 3026, along with ballistic plate armor.
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Re: PA(L) for non-combatants?
« Reply #4 on: 20 June 2020, 11:58:47 »
There was some fiction in one of the supporting books (maybe the one with the first set of BA construction rules? which had a bunch of troops in Salrilla's and Groundhogs.
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Re: PA(L) for non-combatants?
« Reply #5 on: 25 June 2020, 16:33:09 »
What about Commercial Armor on the lightest PAL?

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Re: PA(L) for non-combatants?
« Reply #6 on: 25 June 2020, 18:01:08 »
All Battle Armor Armor is treated the same, I don't think there are grades besides advanced or fire resistant
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Re: PA(L) for non-combatants?
« Reply #7 on: 25 June 2020, 19:40:23 »
AToW treats it differently based on the total armor installed on the suit.
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Re: PA(L) for non-combatants?
« Reply #8 on: 25 June 2020, 19:46:05 »
The effectiveness is the same for all of the armor for standard damage (I think)

There is prototype (heaviest)
standard
advanced (lightest)

Also special types (stealth, fire resistant/proof, et. al.); iirc their value doesn't diminish at all despite the type of weapon used, it may be more effective v. some weapon types though.

If you want to give a 'lesser' quality armor to PA(L) non-combat units, go with 1 point of prototype armor (100 kg).
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Re: PA(L) for non-combatants?
« Reply #9 on: 25 June 2020, 19:53:03 »
The weird thing is it takes a point of armor to seal a suit, yet there were space adapted exoskeletons for centuries...
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Re: PA(L) for non-combatants?
« Reply #10 on: 26 June 2020, 09:02:03 »
Quote from: Daryk on 25 June 2020, 19:53:03
The weird thing is it takes a point of armor to seal a suit, yet there were space adapted exoskeletons for centuries...

Presumably those exoskeletons were either tethered to a larger power source, or weren't considered a combat capable unit. Or they didn't have full enhancements for speed and strength compared to what's considered true battle armor.
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Re: PA(L) for non-combatants?
« Reply #11 on: 26 June 2020, 18:01:52 »
Quote from: Daryk on 25 June 2020, 19:53:03
The weird thing is it takes a point of armor to seal a suit, yet there were space adapted exoskeletons for centuries...

The exoskeleton could have been wrapped around a basic space suit, amplifying the astronaut's strength, but providing no protection of itself.  Like a fancier version of the MMU, incorporating strength amplification as well as maneuvering capability.

But if the wearer gets hit, the exoskeleton provides nothing (except maybe a rescue beacon to recover the exoskeleton)
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Re: PA(L) for non-combatants?
« Reply #12 on: 27 June 2020, 09:09:38 »
I thought it was also sealed if you put an extended life support unit into the suit?
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Re: PA(L) for non-combatants?
« Reply #13 on: 27 June 2020, 09:24:03 »
Tech Manual, page 168:
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Battle armor designed as exoskeletons with an Inner Sphere chassis weight are considered “open” unless they feature extended life-support (see p. 254) and at least 1 point of armor.
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Re: PA(L) for non-combatants?
« Reply #14 on: 01 July 2020, 10:13:31 »
Does that mean IS BA need extended life support to use UMUs?
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Re: PA(L) for non-combatants?
« Reply #15 on: 01 July 2020, 10:28:09 »
You think all BA, including PALs, have a girlfriend end 24 hour supply, batteries and such by default. I mean, they can always walk around uncovered and unpowered on an aired surfaced. Under water and space is OK, but sneaking around might need auxiliaries.

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Sorry... stupid autocorrect system... have a built in air supply.  I left that as is, so funny... TT
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Re: PA(L) for non-combatants?
« Reply #16 on: 01 July 2020, 12:20:39 »
Quote from: truetanker on 01 July 2020, 10:28:09
You think all BA, including PALs, have a girlfriend end 24 hour supply, batteries and such by default. I mean, they can always walk around uncovered and unpowered on an aired surfaced. Under water and space is OK, but sneaking around might need auxiliaries.

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Sorry... stupid autocorrect system... have a built in air supply.  I left that as is, so funny... TT

There's a yacht rock joke in there somewhere, but I'm too tired to find it right now.

It looks like anything that's designated as a "PA(L)" or "battlearmor" automagically gets sealing and base level of life support (12 hours?).  Anything that's designated as an "exoskeleton" is basically a civvie machine, and doesn't.  Both get a base of 24 hours battery power.
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Re: PA(L) for non-combatants?
« Reply #17 on: 01 July 2020, 16:42:03 »
Yeah, but the original TRO 3026 had sealing as an option for all the "civilian" models...
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Re: PA(L) for non-combatants?
« Reply #18 on: 01 July 2020, 17:49:41 »
Quote from: Daryk on 01 July 2020, 16:42:03
Yeah, but the original TRO 3026 had sealing as an option for all the "civilian" models...

I know, and I'm still irritated we never got revamped versions of them for later rule sets.
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Re: PA(L) for non-combatants?
« Reply #19 on: 01 July 2020, 18:06:09 »
Me too.... me too...  :-\
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Re: PA(L) for non-combatants?
« Reply #20 on: 11 August 2020, 03:30:13 »
Vehicle Annex TRO Groundhog Exoskeleton  . More a tool than anything  else lifts a ton , mission equipment  , moves 3 . What more do you want ?
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Re: PA(L) for non-combatants?
« Reply #21 on: 15 August 2020, 18:17:23 »
3039 era...

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