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Cost of land in London's "Square Mile"
« on: 15 March 2024, 07:18:57 »
I've been trying to find the total cost of land in London's "Square Mile" without much luck, so I'll settle for cost of an acre in the Square Mile. Even that's been tricky - I've found prices for the greater London area, but not the Square Mile. Anyone got some handy references?
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Re: Cost of land in London's "Square Mile"
« Reply #1 on: 15 March 2024, 09:10:17 »
cray what system are you using metric or imperial? i know stupid but sometimes it helps. i still make the mistake of doing that after 40 years living state side
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Re: Cost of land in London's "Square Mile"
« Reply #2 on: 15 March 2024, 15:55:35 »
I can convert units. Give me the price (euros, dollars, pounds) for an acre, hectare, square kilometer or whatever of London's Square Mile and I can extrapolate.
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Re: Cost of land in London's "Square Mile"
« Reply #3 on: 15 March 2024, 16:21:46 »
while back i think google had that converter up not sure if it still does ...keep in mind london mile could be called something else
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Re: Cost of land in London's "Square Mile"
« Reply #4 on: 15 March 2024, 16:33:13 »
while back i think google had that converter up not sure if it still does ...keep in mind london mile could be called something else

THE Square Mile. It's a specific district of London "known colloquially as the Square Mile, as it is 1.12 sq mi (716.80 acres; 2.90 km^2) in area."
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Re: Cost of land in London's "Square Mile"
« Reply #5 on: 15 March 2024, 16:41:06 »
i'm not exactly sure how english property laws work. if purchase the building, do you own the land under it?

there's this

https://www.london.gov.uk/who-we-are/what-london-assembly-does/questions-mayor/find-an-answer/land-values-1

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Re: Cost of land in London's "Square Mile"
« Reply #6 on: 15 March 2024, 17:02:51 »
Flats (apartments) in the Barbican Estate development in the City of London have been around £ 1,000,000 in the past year.

Commercial real estate is around £45 and up per square foot in annual rent from one sources I found.

This helpful?

It would be similar to Lower Manhattan as a market.
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Re: Cost of land in London's "Square Mile"
« Reply #7 on: 15 March 2024, 19:33:33 »
Flats (apartments) in the Barbican Estate development in the City of London have been around £ 1,000,000 in the past year.

Commercial real estate is around £45 and up per square foot in annual rent from one sources I found.

Right, but how many flats and commercial square feet are in the Square Mile?

It would be similar to Lower Manhattan as a market.

That's a value I can dig up, about $120 million per acre on Manhattan.
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Re: Cost of land in London's "Square Mile"
« Reply #8 on: 15 March 2024, 20:01:37 »
Is that how much an insula costs these days in Londonium? How many denarii will I need?

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Re: Cost of land in London's "Square Mile"
« Reply #9 on: 15 March 2024, 20:34:57 »
Is that how much an insula costs these days in Londonium? How many denarii will I need?

The question was, in fact, to figure out some background details of an immortal living in the Square Mile.
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**"Well, the first class name [for pocket WarShips]: 'Ship with delusions of grandeur that is going to evaporate 3.1 seconds after coming into NPPC range' tended to cause morale problems...." --Korzon77
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Re: Cost of land in London's "Square Mile"
« Reply #10 on: 15 March 2024, 20:40:32 »
out of curiosity.. why would an immortal live there, as opposed to somewhere in the countryside on a "family estate" of some kind where they can more easily disguise their nature?

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Re: Cost of land in London's "Square Mile"
« Reply #11 on: 15 March 2024, 20:45:27 »
out of curiosity.. why would an immortal live there, as opposed to somewhere in the countryside on a "family estate" of some kind where they can more easily disguise their nature?

I liked the idea of a pub that had been in place for a long time and watched the world change around it.
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**"Well, the first class name [for pocket WarShips]: 'Ship with delusions of grandeur that is going to evaporate 3.1 seconds after coming into NPPC range' tended to cause morale problems...." --Korzon77
**"Describe the Clans." "Imagine an entire civilization built out of 80’s Ric Flairs, Hulk Hogans, & Macho Man Randy Savages ruling over an entire labor force with Einstein Level Intelligence." --Jake Mikolaitis


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Re: Cost of land in London's "Square Mile"
« Reply #12 on: 15 March 2024, 20:48:26 »
Or a time-traveler; never forgot what Stephen-King's wife said about Dracula; "If he were in New York City, he'd probably get run over by a car".

And I suppose, an immortal would like to travel, so they'd be constantly buying real-estate and selling it when they move.

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Re: Cost of land in London's "Square Mile"
« Reply #13 on: 15 March 2024, 22:40:40 »
like the pub idea but i think you got that one from neil gaimans sandman...cant recall the comic it had been a while since i read sandman..but i was able to catch netflix version...it was not bad but want i want to watch it again either and there was a short story about a man who wanted not to die because he wanted to see the future and he would never get tired of living so sandman made him a bet and they would meet every 100 years to talk in same pub over centuries
king ago i read short story with similar theme in polish i think it was one of those pulp books lucky seven  i think in early 1980s but the story was of a man going back in time and would meet death every 100 years or so to play a game with him that had not been played for stakes but for sheer fun and enjoyment and conversation
as for london i was there briefly to visit some cousins in 1981 and did not stay in town itself...so i never bothered to learn about the town...only vivid memory i have of it was a fight between two football clubs while players were giving each other broken teeth and noses while on the pitch...
btw black cab cab drivers it is not a lie they do know the town and history and enjoy showing it off to out of towners whish i could had stayed longer...
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Re: Cost of land in London's "Square Mile"
« Reply #14 on: 15 March 2024, 23:19:15 »
And I suppose, an immortal would like to travel, so they'd be constantly buying real-estate and selling it when they move.
I'd think you would HAVE to move a lot.
And eventually have some sort of contact in the Forgery/Fake ID world.
Someone staying at the same address for centuries is going to attract some notice at some point.  Taxes & all that :)
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Re: Cost of land in London's "Square Mile"
« Reply #15 on: 16 March 2024, 02:34:51 »
if you want a pub that stays put while the world changes around it, look up a list of England's scheduled buildings/monuments for London (or wherever you pick to put it.) this is basically their version of a historic building register, and it includes a fair number of pubs. these are buildings that the government recognizes as protected historic sites, and prevents the destruction or extensive renovation of them. in fact when they end up damaged due to age, weather, etc.. they require the repairs to be in the same methods and materials as it was originally (or as close as modern times can get.)


some of these sites go back to medieval times. it might not be hard to find one that dates back far enough you can claim it was built to replace something even older, from before good records were kept. and using a real location (even if you end up fictionalizing the name and story) makes it easier to look up what sort of real events might have happened on that spot, which could give some story ideas.

you could even have the site be a protected on in the story, with the immortal perhaps having worked to ensure it was recognized as such so that they could work a little less hard about keeping it out of the hands of land developers wanting to tear it down.


(though those have been a major danger lately.. there have been a number of incidents where a developer bought a building, found out it was a protected building and they couldn't rip it down or rebuild it into a modern monstrosity, and then "mysterious fires" broke out along with "odd barriers preventing firefighters from reaching the building".)
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Re: Cost of land in London's "Square Mile"
« Reply #16 on: 16 March 2024, 11:12:53 »
if you want a pub that stays put while the world changes around it, look up a list of England's scheduled buildings/monuments for London (or wherever you pick to put it.) this is basically their version of a historic building register, and it includes a fair number of pubs. these are buildings that the government recognizes as protected historic sites, and prevents the destruction or extensive renovation of them. in fact when they end up damaged due to age, weather, etc.. they require the repairs to be in the same methods and materials as it was originally (or as close as modern times can get.)


some of these sites go back to medieval times. it might not be hard to find one that dates back far enough you can claim it was built to replace something even older, from before good records were kept. and using a real location (even if you end up fictionalizing the name and story) makes it easier to look up what sort of real events might have happened on that spot, which could give some story ideas.

you could even have the site be a protected on in the story, with the immortal perhaps having worked to ensure it was recognized as such so that they could work a little less hard about keeping it out of the hands of land developers wanting to tear it down.


(though those have been a major danger lately.. there have been a number of incidents where a developer bought a building, found out it was a protected building and they couldn't rip it down or rebuild it into a modern monstrosity, and then "mysterious fires" broke out along with "odd barriers preventing firefighters from reaching the building".)

i read long time ago about a man who bought the historical pub and started renovations he modernized every thing then the villige  council found out he had to put it back the way it was on top of fines. yo make things more fun i recall it took longer than it should. apparently carpenters and craftsmen that specilize in restorations are rare licensed and in demand sometimes booked 2 years in advance the same said guy insulted the specialist he hired...you can guess how well that went...
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Re: Cost of land in London's "Square Mile"
« Reply #17 on: 16 March 2024, 21:34:13 »
I've been trying to find the total cost of land in London's "Square Mile" without much luck, so I'll settle for cost of an acre in the Square Mile. Even that's been tricky - I've found prices for the greater London area, but not the Square Mile. Anyone got some handy references?

I might be able to help you there.  The City of London is a separate political jurisdiction from Metropolitan London.  It has its own police force, own political leadership and is separate in most respects from Greater London Authority.
Depending on where you are searching you might be trying to find data from the wrong place.

I cannot point you in the right direction as I do not know, but I can point out that you might be looking in the wrong direction.

If it helps think of the City of London as the equivalent to D.C.,  and it is so named because it is the location of ancient London.
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Re: Cost of land in London's "Square Mile"
« Reply #18 on: 16 March 2024, 21:44:49 »
Looking at why you want to know, the City of London is an interesting place for an immortal to hide out.  It is politically resilient.  Even when London changes around it 'the City' does not.  In England when we talk about 'the City' we don't mean London as a whole, but the banking and investment centre and the cadre of old land and old money it represents.  It is a true global hub, and is very distinct.  If I believed in vampires, was hunting one, and considered how a vampire once acquired means and wanted to protect the assets long term. I would look for them first in Zurich or London.
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Re: Cost of land in London's "Square Mile"
« Reply #19 on: 19 March 2024, 21:13:27 »
Looking at why you want to know, the City of London is an interesting place for an immortal to hide out.  It is politically resilient.  Even when London changes around it 'the City' does not.  In England when we talk about 'the City' we don't mean London as a whole, but the banking and investment centre and the cadre of old land and old money it represents.  It is a true global hub, and is very distinct.  If I believed in vampires, was hunting one, and considered how a vampire once acquired means and wanted to protect the assets long term. I would look for them first in Zurich or London.

London is a mondern-city with lot of surveillance-equipment around; wouldn't they be happier in a 3rd-world city with less video-cameras like Buenos Aires?  Wait, Bs.As. is full of werewolves!

I was thinking more of, "There can only be one", but, any type really;   I've heard that foreigners are buying up all the London real estate. 

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Re: Cost of land in London's "Square Mile"
« Reply #20 on: 01 April 2024, 03:22:50 »
If its an old pub you're after in that part of the world (and its a favourite of mine)

https://ye-olde-cheshire-cheese.co.uk/about/

Probably the only way to find out would be to go through individual property council tax records and drill down from there

A fair chunk is no doubt held offshore by nondescript companies so realistically you'd never find out

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