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Re: My new attempt in painting my forces
« Reply #30 on: 15 September 2020, 14:19:24 »
your technique is SICK. I love the subtle fade from the highlights (which, while much easier to achieve in airbrushing,  is made more difficult with the subject size) and your weathering is gorgeous.... i get the impression these guys have been stuck on extended maneuvers in a hot, wet, jungle environment, and it definitely shows!

Thank you very much!

Reading your comment feels really good because this impression was what I wanted to achieve.


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Re: My new attempt in painting my forces
« Reply #31 on: 15 September 2020, 15:01:29 »
Awesome! Thanks for sharing the process! I'll definitely come back to it when I remodel my troops, haha

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Re: My new attempt in painting my forces
« Reply #32 on: 15 September 2020, 15:03:51 »
Thanks for the writeup! I'm not likely to start airbrushing at this point, so some of it remains out of reach, but I must try the sponge thing again.

What sort of sponge do you use to get the larger cell spacing, and how do you get the sponge both dry enough to not smudge, but leave the traces?
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Re: My new attempt in painting my forces
« Reply #33 on: 15 September 2020, 15:04:51 »
  It is a great work overall. Airbrushing ink is a very nice touch. Solid technique all around, well done.

 I have only a minor suggestion regarding weathering. Please, try to use chalks. Black chalk is a wonderful and very realistic way to get "soot" on the launchers and guns. A brown one is also very good for weathering the legs. It is better (and easier to remove if it doesn't work) than drybrush.

  Also, I agree 100% on Black Metal from scale 75. Trash Metal is also very nice. In general, their metal range is excellent.
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Re: My new attempt in painting my forces
« Reply #34 on: 16 September 2020, 15:41:39 »
Awesome! Thanks for sharing the process! I'll definitely come back to it when I remodel my troops, haha

You are welcome! Don`t forget to show some pictures when you are done.  ;)

What sort of sponge do you use to get the larger cell spacing, and how do you get the sponge both dry enough to not smudge, but leave the traces?

I use one of these sponges that come inside of miniature packings. I rip them with my fingers and try to get a structure that is as irregular as possible.
I get rid of the paint by dabbing 5 or 6 times on a paper towel. It is better to have too little paint than too much (like drybrushing). With a little bit of experience you can adjust the effect by changing the pressure you are using (adjust in terms of density and size of the dots). More paint means harder control.
Try to make a straight movement with your sponge. Especially after the sponge touches the surface of your mini. The angles of leaving and touching the surface should be the same. Otherwise you have a high chance to get some smudges.
Hopefully this is a little bit helpful. As a non native speaker it is a little bit hard for me to find the right words in English.


 I have only a minor suggestion regarding weathering. Please, try to use chalks. Black chalk is a wonderful and very realistic way to get "soot" on the launchers and guns. A brown one is also very good for weathering the legs. It is better (and easier to remove if it doesn't work) than drybrush.


Thank you very much for your input!

Yes, the drybrushed feet are one of the 2 points I am not fully pleased.
I already made some experiences with pigments. What are the differences compared to chalk? How do you apply and fix chalks?

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Re: My new attempt in painting my forces
« Reply #35 on: 16 September 2020, 16:52:33 »

Thank you very much for your input!

Yes, the drybrushed feet are one of the 2 points I am not fully pleased.
I already made some experiences with pigments. What are the differences compared to chalk? How do you apply and fix chalks?

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You are welcome  :thumbsup: Chalks are a kind of pigment, but with less intensity. This fact makes it even easier to use. I just use an old brush to apply it. If there is any issue you can wipe it or use water to remove it. It is the last I do before the last varnish, since it doesn't stick too much. There is a pigment fixer but it looks shiny instead of dull so I skip it.
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Re: My new attempt in painting my forces
« Reply #36 on: 17 September 2020, 14:15:02 »
@god and davion

Can you help me out, please? I searched for chalks. Are the soft pastels that you get in art supplystores the right ones?

Thanks in advance

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Re: My new attempt in painting my forces
« Reply #37 on: 17 September 2020, 14:36:59 »
Impressive...... MOST Impressive!!
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Re: My new attempt in painting my forces
« Reply #38 on: 17 September 2020, 14:49:02 »
@god and davion

Can you help me out, please? I searched for chalks. Are the soft pastels that you get in art supplystores the right ones?

Thanks in advance

Knorpelkeks02

  Yes, those are the chalks I was talking about. Just scratch them and use the dust like a pigment. BTW, white chalk is wonderful for achieving those winter camos from WWII made with green with washable white painted over. You can even remove some white chalk/pastel to achieve a weathered look of those camos.

  Related, but not exactly the same, Tamiya has sets called "tamiya weathering master" that also work well. You need a bit water for those to work.  Incidentally, those "weathering master sets" look suspiciously close to makeup powder.

  And yes, you can use also makeup powder. Let's say that if you are into weathering you use 75% of makeup techniques.  :o
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Re: My new attempt in painting my forces
« Reply #39 on: 17 September 2020, 14:53:40 »
Hopefully this is a little bit helpful. As a non native speaker it is a little bit hard for me to find the right words in English.

Yes it is helpful! And may I complement you on your English skills, only a slight formalism shows you're not a native speaker (uh, writer) - you know what I mean.
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Re: My new attempt in painting my forces
« Reply #40 on: 18 September 2020, 14:28:43 »
Ok, I placed my orders:

1.) 2 of the Tamiya weathering sets (advantage: they are supposed to dry resistant to the touch quickly after applying)

2.) soft pastel chalks (advantage: very cheap compared to the amount you get)

I will try to put on some make up on my mechs.  ;D I will show some pictures of the results. But first I have to practise on some uncritical examples (as usual).

Thank you all for the great feedback and the kind conversation! :thumbsup: :beer: :thumbsup:


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Re: My new attempt in painting my forces
« Reply #41 on: 18 September 2020, 14:54:18 »
Ok, I placed my orders:

1.) 2 of the Tamiya weathering sets (advantage: they are supposed to dry resistant to the touch quickly after applying)

2.) soft pastel chalks (advantage: very cheap compared to the amount you get)

I will try to put on some make up on my mechs.  ;D I will show some pictures of the results. But first I have to practise on some uncritical examples (as usual).

Thank you all for the great feedback and the kind conversation! :thumbsup: :beer: :thumbsup:

You are welcome!  Yet another soul lost to the depths of weathering  >:D >:D O:-) O:-)
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Re: My new attempt in painting my forces
« Reply #42 on: 25 September 2020, 12:28:08 »
More than 2 years ago I bought an airbrush. Although my first steps in airbrushing were sometimes a little bit frustrating, i rediscovered that painting could be a fun part of our hobby. Especially smooth blendings are so much quicker to realise!  :D

April 2018 was the start of my first BT project since 2016. I was going to visit my brother in summer. He is living abroad since more than 10 years and I was visiting him for the first time. I wanted to take all of the lance packs and create some battle groups with the most iconic mechs of each fraction and give it to him as a present. I only had 2 month painting time. The colour scheme had to be simple: Main colour of each fraction and one metallic colour, battle damage (my first try), jeweling of the cockpits, dusting and basing.

It was the first time that I tried to work with a zenithal highlight and it was easy to achieve with my airbrush. Still I am no hero in making some good photographs. ::) The highlights are hard to see...
The battle damage is a little bit out of scale but making my first steps with it gave me some confidence.

To be continued...

Best wishes Knorpelkeks02
I admit my eyes are liking the bright colors.   :thumbsup:


Airbrush?  I just found mine.  Mom had gotten it for me years ago, and it got misplaced.  Then, next year, she got me a compressor to go with it.

Now that I have found both portions, I want to give it a try. 

What kind of tips might you have?  Do I have to be careful about what kinds of paints I use.  How thin do they have to be?
 


Now, a minor critique - The dirt and grunge on the legs is too high up the shin.  You mention stuff out of scale because of confidence.  Fair.  But, something to do is pay attention to things around you.  Are you in an area with gravel roads? Do you see a lot of heavy traffic, like semis?  If so, pay attention and take a few seconds to observe them.  If not, I'm sure you could find some nice examples with a quick google search.

The point being, dirt and mud don't travel far from the ground, even in combat.  This is why I don't go crazy with it on my Mechs, though I do put some around the feet and ankles.  Yes.  Mechs are heavy.  They will kick up dust and dirt when they move.  But, if you look at stuff that's been on a gravel road, or even off-road, especially semis servicing farm equipment, they're not that dirty as high up as some of your examples.  Nowhere close, even.  And, even then, a Mech's motion is more of a quick impacting motion, a one-time event in any given spot.  People who take their pickups mud-running deal with a continual digging motion from the tires, which is why pickups can get so dirty in mud.

The only way a Mech would have that much grime on it would be if it fell, or took a knee, and had to get up again.  That kind of dirt would have to be fresh, since I doubt any Tech worth his salt wouldn't quickly wash the crud off once the Mech's back from the field. 

Which means, if you're going to have them that dirty, it needs to be in more places than on the shin.  Maybe on fists, to show they used a hand to stand up, and on the knees, across that armor baffle.  The back of the leg should probably be pristine compared to the shin up front, and the entirety of the foot.

Otherwise, you need much, much less.

As for the battle damage.  That is a matter of how you view things working in the BTu.  I think it works fine, because, in actuality, a lot of the misses aren't full-on failure to contact, but merely glances and energy weapons failing to keep the beam focused on one point and missile explosions happening prematurely from ECM interference.  So-on and so-forth. 

Lasers burn whatever they come in contact with, including paint.



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Re: My new attempt in painting my forces
« Reply #43 on: 26 September 2020, 07:26:47 »

Now, a minor critique - The dirt and grunge on the legs is too high up the shin. 
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Otherwise, you need much, much less.


Hello Daemion,

yes you are right.

The paintjob of 2016 was an intermediate step. I tried to get used to using an airbrush and to find a way to fix the pigments. In the end  the pigments look like they are supposed to represent mud or dirt. I agree that this stuff does not collect on the upper parts.
My original intention was to show some dust and I feel that this stuff is creeping to nearly everywhere. Especially if the machines are out on the fields for weeks without any maintenance. Keep in mind that these guys are Capellan forces. They went through many hard times...

Concerning airbrushing I have to say, that meanwhile I only use 2 different nozzles: 0.4mm and 0.15mm. The bigger one is only used for spraying primers (vallejo primers, high pressure, slightly thinned, they will clogg the 0.15mm nozzle very fast). All other steps are done with the small nozzle (lower pressure).
I really like the AK Real colours but you need their special thinner. They are really sturdy and yielding. The pure white of this range is my go to for preshading. I can spray for hours without having to disassemble my airbrush.
I "dye" my mechs by spraying inks from Schmincke and Scale 75. I can work faster because inks are working really nice through the small nozzle without any thinning. But maybe this is not "your" style. Regular paint has to have the consistency of milk (1.5% fat). I like to use the thinners of each corresponding brand. It is more expensive but I can be sure that it is working the way it should. I did my first tries with distilled water. Most of the acrylic colours should work with that.
Unfortunately the best way is to make your own experiences by trying out.  But I think that you will make a quick progression. Just keep in mind that often you need less amounts of paints than you may think and as usual many thin coats are better than one thick coat.
The most important thing: use a respiratory protection (can`t emphasize enough)! Some paints can be very harmful (AK Real colours, Alclad primers, mostly the ones that are lacquer based). Spray them in a well ventilated area even with a protection on. Acrylic paints are considered to be not harmful, but during airbrushing they will produce a very fine dust. I feel that it is better to avoid inhaling it. Even more if you are planning to do this hobby for years...

Best wishes

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Re: My new attempt in painting my forces
« Reply #44 on: 26 September 2020, 09:17:48 »
Awesome stuff! The worn and battered look reminds me of the Mechs in the HBS video game.

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Re: My new attempt in painting my forces
« Reply #45 on: 06 October 2020, 12:10:02 »

Concerning airbrushing I have to say, ... I feel that it is better to avoid inhaling it. Even more if you are planning to do this hobby for years...

Best wishes

Knorpelkeks

Thanks for the insight. 

My first attempt will be on a Revell Romulan Warbird given to me not too long ago.  I feel that airbrushing will help me get smooth application over larger, broader surfaces like that one.  I have a bunch of Trek ships that need a beginning, but hand painting always leaves brush-strokes on the large, flat areas that I find unsightly and hard to get rid of or hide, no matter how thin or how many layers.

I know that I have to constantly thin my acrylic paints when I use them.  They tend to dry out fast, though.  May have to clean the 'brush' often.
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Re: My new attempt in painting my forces
« Reply #46 on: 24 July 2024, 03:11:48 »
I freed my airbrush from dust and wanted to bring some paint to my models that are standing in shiny silver in my shelf for years.
As I am a Capellan player mainly playing in timeline of 3039 I used primarly classic mechs. But I bought the Capellan lance packs years ago to go beyond my used timeline.
I wanted to try something different and there was a thought of a 3 tone camo with airbrush fadings of each tone wandering in my mind for a long time. :rolleyes: Problems i expected were: Maybe to many layers -> loosing details; will my paints still be working after laying without use for years?; is my airbrush and the compressor still working right? Am I still able to control the airbrush the way I want it to?

Since I finished my terrain (and don`t have a plan how to achieve my goals for the new terrain thing that is wandering trough my thoughts right now) I just took the minis and started. I quickly noticed that I am really out of practice. But the advantage of a camo pattern is that you can make some mistakes in the first steps and implement them in your job later in the process.
Here we go:












That really took longer than I expected it to do. I forgot that while working with an airbrush the cleaning and the masking putty will take much longer than the actual painting... :laugh:

It took me some sessions spread over 4 days to reach the state of the last picture. I noticed again that my camera is not really working reliable (or I don`t know how to set it up properly). It does not show the fadings like I can see them in reality and the main green tone is not as bluish as it looks on the pictures. In fact I had some problems with my old inks. some of them had small clumps in them and the paint did not get very smooth on the surface. The brown tones had a very good consistency but the built up a relatively strong film over surface. So the paint unraveled while removing the putty.

This is how the minis came out:


I chose a different kind of green this time because I needed some variety in my force. Right now I think that the outcome was not worth the effort. There are some nice spots on some minis where you can see a clear fading in every color.



But it is not that clear to see for the eye because the spots are so small. Especially the highlights of the yellow green are hard to see. I think they will be nearly lost after the wash. I will go on and see where it ends.
At the start I wanted to try some edge highlights this time but because of the multi tone camo it would take my ages to do so.  :shocked: Lets see how to handle this...
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Re: My new attempt in painting my forces
« Reply #47 on: 24 July 2024, 03:26:31 »
Like your other batches, these look amazing!  I can't wait to see them finished... :)

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Re: My new attempt in painting my forces
« Reply #48 on: 24 July 2024, 05:10:25 »
Very impressive! :smilie_happy_thumbup:

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Re: My new attempt in painting my forces
« Reply #49 on: 25 July 2024, 17:27:13 »
thanks for sharing.