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Which do you choose?

Elemental (Fire)
3 (21.4%)
Elemental III
11 (78.6%)

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Elemental (Fire) or Elemental III?
« on: 26 April 2024, 22:12:09 »
Just thought I'd see what people's thoughts were between the two.  It's fire-resistant armor and a one-shot SRM 2 vs basic stealth armor and a one-shot Advanced SRM 2.
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Re: Elemental (Fire) or Elemental III?
« Reply #1 on: 26 April 2024, 22:36:26 »
FR armour protects against one class of weaponry only. Stealth helps against all classes except AE (which FR doesn't help with either), and the advanced SRMs get that extra tick of range. Elemental III for me!
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Re: Elemental (Fire) or Elemental III?
« Reply #2 on: 27 April 2024, 00:41:22 »
That's true, but Infernos are Battletech's only Instant Death Effect attack that isn't a nuke.
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Re: Elemental (Fire) or Elemental III?
« Reply #3 on: 27 April 2024, 00:55:20 »
Long Toms too ;)
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Re: Elemental (Fire) or Elemental III?
« Reply #4 on: 27 April 2024, 01:15:03 »
Fire-Resistant Armor shouldn't exist and stealth armor is much more interesting on top of being more fun.  Elemental IIIs 100%.
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Re: Elemental (Fire) or Elemental III?
« Reply #5 on: 27 April 2024, 01:30:25 »
Long Toms too ;)

Those are good for squishing battle armor, but they don't have the effect of "you are automatically dead, regardless of how much armor you have."
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Re: Elemental (Fire) or Elemental III?
« Reply #6 on: 27 April 2024, 04:23:28 »
Fire-Resistant Armor shouldn't exist and stealth armor is much more interesting on top of being more fun.  Elemental IIIs 100%.
I half agree with you.  Fire resistant armor should half the effects of fire, not be immune to infernos entirely.

BA stealth armor shouldnt work at short range.  Stealth has no counter play, no probe that reduces it.  Since it works at range 1, it's just always useful with no drawback.  Imho this runs counter to design choices mattering.  Compared to stealth armor on mechs, with no short range bonus and +10 heat load, stealth armor on BA is always useful.

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Re: Elemental (Fire) or Elemental III?
« Reply #7 on: 27 April 2024, 07:18:13 »
I voted for the Fire, because I'm primarily a Jade Falcon player, and it helps to be able to bathe the map in fire without melting your own troops.

That said, as an overall suit, the III is better.
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Re: Elemental (Fire) or Elemental III?
« Reply #8 on: 27 April 2024, 14:16:02 »
Fire-Resistant Armor shouldn't exist and stealth armor is much more interesting on top of being more fun.  Elemental IIIs 100%.

See, I'm the opposite.

Fire-Resistant is very Rare so I love seeing it.

And Stealth is sort of "Anti-Clan" so I certainly don't want it on my bog standard Elemental suits that are supposed to be common.

Now all that said on the Table Top, I'm using whatever fits the mission & BV allowed since I mostly use ANY kind of Infantry as filler BV to do an Infantry Job while also topping off BV.
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Re: Elemental (Fire) or Elemental III?
« Reply #9 on: 27 April 2024, 14:32:11 »
The Elemental (Fire) and Elemental III are close enough in BV that you would virtually never have to take cost into consideration between the two.
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Re: Elemental (Fire) or Elemental III?
« Reply #10 on: 27 April 2024, 14:49:04 »
Fire is my go to, forested terrain is very advantageous for BA and flammable so having fireproof BA to get in there and leg strike overheated mechs is great. Stealth would only be used for ambushes or headhunter ops

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Re: Elemental (Fire) or Elemental III?
« Reply #11 on: 27 April 2024, 14:57:40 »
The Elemental (Fire) and Elemental III are close enough in BV that you would virtually never have to take cost into consideration between the two.
True, but the BV portion of my comment was more about ALL infantry,  BA, Conventional, Mechanized, Platoons, Points, Level-1's, etc etc.
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