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Off Topic and Technical Support => Off Topic => Topic started by: ActionButler on 23 October 2022, 11:18:57
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Alright lovely people, after some discussion, the mods and admins have agreed to open a new thread for the general discussion of Star Wars. For the most part, our local Star Wars community has done well enough in the threads for individual shows. You guys only ever seem to get tripped up when you drift off-topic and start leaning hard into politics, personal grievances, and one-on-one arguments.
The usual rules apply, of course, but we will absolutely be paying close attention to this thread. If you guys start fights with one another, complain about behind-the-scenes politics, or make this thread a home for any other toxic behavior, don’t be surprised to see warnings and thread locks.
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Has anyone seen Andor yet? I am hearing good things about it, but I am not able watch it yet.
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It has it's own thread: https://bg.battletech.com/forums/off-topic/andor-discussion-thread/ (https://bg.battletech.com/forums/off-topic/andor-discussion-thread/)
Everyone is enjoying the hell out of it. Star Wars for grownups.
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Explain 'Tales of the Jedi' in a manner than one isn't familiar with the source material...
which I'm sorta am. The only stuff that i have not watched end to end is the animated serials (and after watching the 6 episodes of Tales i think I'm ready.
Fioni dipped his fingers to all that?
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Explain 'Tales of the Jedi' in a manner than one isn't familiar with the source material...
Stories that weren't good enough to make it into the Clone Wars cartoon while it was still airing.
They're not bad but there's not anything inspiring in there.
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Explain 'Tales of the Jedi' in a manner than one isn't familiar with the source material...
which I'm sorta am. The only stuff that i have not watched end to end is the animated serials (and after watching the 6 episodes of Tales i think I'm ready.
Fioni dipped his fingers to all that?
the succession wars animated series, fills in a lot of the gaps between the second and 3rd prequel movies.
the bad batch season 1 (season 2 is coming out in feb) starts out right before order 66 goes off, and goes until the empire starts really taking over.
Rebels season 1 and 2 takes place after the empire took over but before "a new hope, and rogue one" and some of it takes place earlier and later (there is some timeie wimie weirdness in the series.)
the "resistance" animated series, is a side story leading up to the 7-9 movies
then you have obi-wan, and Andor , and the mando and boba live series
scotty I would say its more they fill in some plot holes details that weren't addressed until now
the "tales of the jedi" series tells why asoka ended up going to the jedi from her family, it also covers why duku ended up going from being a jedi to a separatist (and sith) and a lt of his fall, and who was responsible, Darth Sidious was a big part of it
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I'm going to suggest that for the broader goal of keeping the thread unlocked that we avoid referring to "events that have not been explained in painstaking detail" as "plot holes".
Or better yet, just leave the word "plot hole" out of the thread. That seems healthier.
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I'm going to suggest that for the broader goal of keeping the thread unlocked that we avoid referring to "events that have not been explained in painstaking detail" as "plot holes".
yes please, sooo sick of people watching the first episode of a bloody season for serial TV and being all "ah ha, this series didn't answer all my questions immediatly it's a plot hole!"
If that kinda additude existed back in the 70s people would be calling the referance to clone wars plotholes.
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what annoys me is when the things they are calling plot holes have basically nothing related to the plot? something that is just an inconsistency but which has absolutely no impact on the story is not a plot hole, it is just an inconsistency, or at best, trivia.
likewise things that are arguably holes in the logic of the plot, but which are clearly done for dramatic purposes to further the plot. like when romantic protagonists never just sit down and talk after a misunderstanding instead of coming up with zany schemes or going straight to angst. or when the bad guy's heavily armored and elite soldiers can be killed with simple weapons and traps, or knocked out by a single punch. sure, it doesn't make a lot of sense.. but sometimes logic and sense has to take a backseat to the drama. media where you can preserve both are rare, and ironically often poorly received since people are so used to such dramatic tropes that smart aversions of them feel wrong to the audience.
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https://www.starwars.com/news/the-acolyte-original-series-cast-revealed (https://www.starwars.com/news/the-acolyte-original-series-cast-revealed)
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I heard the Mandalorian was better than the Book of Boba-Fett. I watched the first few episodes of both and I was, meh. I really want to like Boba-Fett, because I would have if I were a kid; I saw RotJ in the theaters and was in awe.
More importantly, FASA's Renegade-Legion: Interceptor game was suppose to be use in the Star-Wars, but they couldn't get the rights to it.
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I heard the Mandalorian was better than the Book of Boba-Fett. I watched the first few episodes of both and I was, meh. I really want to like Boba-Fett, because I would have if I were a kid; I saw RotJ in the theaters and was in awe.
More importantly, FASA's Renegade-Legion: Interceptor game was suppose to be use in the Star-Wars, but they couldn't get the rights to it.
BF would have been great had it not been so.... meh helmed (but the reasons why are far too political to even discuss)
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mandalorian has a slow start, it starts to pick up in the 2nd half of the first season, and builds from there. the first episodes are mostly introducing you to characters and locations which will come into play with the main storyline later, as well as giving you a bunch of character development for the protagonist.
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New Bad batch trailer: https://youtu.be/R15uYFpeBG0 (https://youtu.be/R15uYFpeBG0)
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so i've been rewatching SW:Rebels in light of finishing Andor, and i had a thought. Andor and the first seasons of Rebels occur at roughly the same time.
in Andor Season 1, Episode 10 "One way out", we see Andor instigating a massive breakout of prisoners from an imperial prison where the empire 'disappears' prisoners to.
in SW Rebels, Ezra's parents were arrested by the empire for anti-empire radio broadcasts, and then sent to a prison. a prison where their names and identities were completely hidden from public records. in Rebels Season 2 episode 11 "legacy", we find out that a mass breakout had occured in the prison they had been sent to, and we see Ezra using a force meditation method to divine form the list of prisoner numbers and records an individual he'd seen in a vision.. he paged though thousands of names scrolling by rapidly before stopping. this leads him to a person who knew his parents, and which had been in the same prison.. who tells Ezra that his parents had helped plan the mass escape, and in helping everyone get out, ended up being killed before they could escape themselves.
surely the mass escape of thousands of prisoners from a secure imperial prison complex isn't a common occurrence for the empire? could the Bridger's have been in the same Narkina 5 prison complex Andor was, and part of the same breakout? it would require sliding the relative timelines a little compared to the current assumptions, but it would make for an interesting stealth connection. the bridger's being said to be involved in planning it would be explained by them being part of one of the other isolated shifts we see, and them doing much like Andor and Jemboc did, figuring out how they'd go about breaking out should they get an opportunity. Andor and Kino's little revolt becomes the spark that allows the Bridgers to get the workers of their shift to freedom, perhaps them taking up the rear to help stragglers, and end up getting caught by the Imperial security response teams from the other complexes.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKQHDEIK9kU
interest Fan take on my new fav bounty hunter...
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Have a lovely, affirming message from Palpatine
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ShMrlEPaPJM
This guy does an amazing Palpy cosplay :)
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I adore the name of this incarnation of ye ole Star Wars thread.
Sheeve, just stay dead, k? :laughing_skull:
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I adore the name of this incarnation of ye ole Star Wars thread.
Sheeve, just stay dead, k? :laughing_skull:
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i've seen one proposal online that Palpatine wasn't palpatine.. he was Plagus. that when Sidious killed Plagus, plagus took over palpatine's body the way that palps wanted to take over Rey's. that annakin skywalker was created by Plagus in a similar plan as to what palp's did to create Rey, just with mystical rather then technological means. and that once he realized who annakin was, he was grooming the boy to be his next host. Mustafar ruined that plan, so he set in motion the cloning ploy, then he learned about Luke.. and in ROTJ his urging for Luke to strike him down was to both turn luke to the dark side and take over Luke's body.
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It's possible, but honestly it just feels like further unnecessary complication to an already unnecessarily complicated thing.
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I enjoyed our first two episodes of The Bad Batch Season 2. :popcorn:
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I enjoyed our first two episodes of The Bad Batch Season 2. :popcorn:
The Imperials are pretty rough on their clones...
I wonder if we'll see more of Mount Tantiss and the Kaminoans Scorch was escorting last season?
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It's not like they would care about clones and they did eventually replace clones with Stormtroopers.
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Well to be fair, Agent Kallus wasn't above killing Stormtroopers on a whim either.
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Well to be fair, Agent Kallus wasn't above killing Stormtroopers on a whim either.
at least in the first season, yeah.
(i once tried to count all the deaths in the pilot two episodes of rebels, because i got tired of people who'd never watched the thing claiming it was a sappy kids show.. while i had to discount a few early on during the crate heist due to lack of clear result, and didn't count any of the ones Zeb knocks out with punches, between stormtroopers and tie fighters, i counted over 50 deaths.. they were just in santitized blood-free styles. the one that kallus kicks into the miles deep pit had to be the most gratuitous though..)
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Not to mention two that had they heads cut off by Grand Inquisitor.
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Not to mention two that had they heads cut off by Grand Inquisitor.
To be fair, that did improve the quality of the officer corps on Lothal...
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i've seen one proposal online that Palpatine wasn't palpatine.. he was Plagus. that when Sidious killed Plagus, plagus took over palpatine's body the way that palps wanted to take over Rey's. that annakin skywalker was created by Plagus in a similar plan as to what palp's did to create Rey, just with mystical rather then technological means. and that once he realized who annakin was, he was grooming the boy to be his next host. Mustafar ruined that plan, so he set in motion the cloning ploy, then he learned about Luke.. and in ROTJ his urging for Luke to strike him down was to both turn luke to the dark side and take over Luke's body.
Actually, this is good. I like it because it's like how the EU was going prior to it being rendered non-canon.
Palpatine divined that Plagus had caused the "convergence in the Force" that created Anakin specifically to create the perfect apprentice. Palp very rightly felt the coldness of death looming in the future if he didn't act to counter it.
This in turn motivates Palps to follow through on the murder of his complacent master as soon as he possibly could.
He then looked forward to reaping the rewards of Plagus' work and soon enough Anakin fell right into his creepy hands.
After Anakin's maiming on Mustafar, he was rendered mostly harmless as far as Sidious was concerned.
Then as you said, Luke showed up. This is all backed up in the novelization of RotJ. At several places the cheerfully hateful mental interplay between Palpatine and Vader was on display. Both of them wanted nothing more than to kill the other one and set up Luke as their own apprentice.
Then what you mention... Perhaps Palpatine wanted to directly take over Luke's body if possible. Interesting thought.
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Then what you mention... Perhaps Palpatine wanted to directly take over Luke's body if possible. Interesting thought.
I think taking over luke was one of his original goals way back during the original dark empire storyline, before he moved on to going for Han and Leia's kids.
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Well to be fair, Agent Kallus wasn't above killing Stormtroopers on a whim either.
You could say he had a Kallus disregard for life.
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You could say he had a Kallus disregard for life.
You deserve a PUN BEATING for that :thumbsup:
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just blundered across this, its the coreographed but unused footage for the Palapatine vs Jedi Council fight that we didn't get
https://twitter.com/Darth_Ahsoka/status/1611831132164849664
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Great episode today! :thumbsup:
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Loved the scoring of it, very fitting for the characters.
I also wonder where they are going with it - redemption or damnation?
And the slow rehabilitation of Count Dokuu continues :D
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Loved the scoring of it, very fitting for the characters.
I also wonder where they are going with it - redemption or damnation?
And the slow rehabilitation of Count Dokuu continues :D
I think Dokuu isn't the only toon being rehabilitated, after this episode
excellent Eps3...
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TAY-0 was pretty damn funny. ;D
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The Mandalorian thread brought up the issue of who controls Mandalore at that point in time, and I know some of the lore post RotJ, but I thought I'd check in with anyone who can correct me if I'm wrong and fill in the blanks for me:
- Battle of Jakku 5 ABY, New Republic decisively defeats the Empire
- Empire surrenders, but keeps territory with many stipulations, like no Stormtroopers, no torture, no academies, give up Coruscant
- there are some Imperial holdouts who don't recognize the surrender, who eventually flee to the Unknown Regions and become the First Order
- the New Republic downgrades its military, with many/most systems maintaining their own system defenses instead
- what of the territories of the surrendered Imperials? Do they just kind of go independent? Or slowly fall under the umbrella of the New Republic, but also maintaining their own independent defenses like many others?
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my understanding is that many of them became part of the New Republic, which was part of the reason that the First Order had so many sympathizers in the Senate. presumably a lot of the regional governors stayed in place along with their political structures, just with their military forces defanged. presumably any world that wants its independence from the local governor could petition the new republic for recognition, but i suspect that as the process went on, that became a matter of committees and investigations, and the ex-imperial voices in the senate dragged things out.
i like that the mandolorian series is revisiting elements of the Legends "imperial warlords" concept by having people like Gideon basically operating imperial remnants like the Rebellion used to. so instead of warlords having multi-planet mini-empires, they're now more like real world warlords, where their survival is largely about avoiding notice from the bigger political entities, and their direct power and control is much more geographically limited, though their influence can extend even into regions where they have no direct dominance.
the outer rim region was notoriously lawless and hard to police even under the Empire, and they had a lot more resources to throw at the problem. and even then they barely had a presence in most sectors, focusing on key strategic planets and deploying token garrisons to many of the rest. (this comes up a fair bit in SW:Rebels) though they also liked to use it to hide their secret projects, using that same remoteness from the more densely civilized core worlds to keep things from the bulk of the populace and the senate.
as far as who controls mandalore now.. no idea. a lot of people are speculating Thrawn, as i once did, but i doubt he'd be able to hide that fact, and its clear that very few know thrawn is still around. if the Ahsoka series had come out already, i'd have contunued to think Thrawn myself, but since we're going to be visiting the planet in season 3, i suspect that it isn't him, since we'd have gotten more build up for that.
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as far as who controls mandalore now.. no idea. a lot of people are speculating Thrawn, as i once did, but i doubt he'd be able to hide that fact, and its clear that very few know thrawn is still around. if the Ahsoka series had come out already, i'd have contunued to think Thrawn myself, but since we're going to be visiting the planet in season 3, i suspect that it isn't him, since we'd have gotten more build up for that.
I personally don't think Thrawn is even part of the Empire anymore, between what has come out in the Thrawn novels and the end of Rebels, I feel like he would've gone back to the Chiss once the Empire lost it's power since it seems he was basically using the Empire to try to counter other threats from the Unknown Regions
of course, power corrupts, and maybe Thrawn ended up liking the Empire for what it was, we'll see I suppose with the Ahsoka series
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technically he can;t go back to the Chiss, he's an exile. he violated their laws, conducted preemptive military operations against what was at the time not an enemy (but which was a potential threat) and was permanently exiled from chiss space. he can never return there. (there is a series of novels spelling out the specifics in fairly high detail)
he took service with the Emperor and Empire with the intent of protecting the Chiss even in exile. and would send the occasional imperial officer to the chiss covertly to try and aid them.
given that Chiss space lies close to Ilum though, i suspect that they might have some problems of their own with the Imperial remnants that fled to that region of space. especially now that it has been confirmed that Starkiller base was Ilum originally, turned into the headquarters of the Imperial Remnant and First Order before it was converted into a super weapon.
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given that Chiss space lies close to Ilum though, i suspect that they might have some problems of their own with the Imperial remnants that fled to that region of space. especially now that it has been confirmed that Starkiller base was Ilum originally, turned into the headquarters of the Imperial Remnant and First Order before it was converted into a super weapon.
And then converted into a micro (dwarf) star named Solo.
Ruger
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technically he can;t go back to the Chiss, he's an exile. he violated their laws, conducted preemptive military operations against what was at the time not an enemy (but which was a potential threat) and was permanently exiled from chiss space. he can never return there. (there is a series of novels spelling out the specifics in fairly high detail)
he took service with the Emperor and Empire with the intent of protecting the Chiss even in exile. and would send the occasional imperial officer to the chiss covertly to try and aid them.
BUT weren't those novels "legends" now? SO does that 'banishment" still apply?
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BUT weren't those novels "legends" now? SO does that 'banishment" still apply?
pretty sure Glitterboy is referring to the new novels that just came out, the Thrawn Ascendency trilogy?...I have yet to read them, but I hope to soon
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yep. the exact details of his exile are still a little vague.. some materials (like the comics) present it as "he can never go home', the Thrawn Ascendency trilogypresents the exile as a ploy (made to look real, thus tying into the earlier comics) to learn about the Empire.. but whether he can go back is left vague, and the general sense is that while he remains in contact with the chiss, he's persona non grata with them due to his previous checkered career and can't easily go home.
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yep. the exact details of his exile are still a little vague.. some materials (like the comics) present it as "he can never go home', the Thrawn Ascendency trilogypresents the exile as a ploy (made to look real, thus tying into the earlier comics) to learn about the Empire.. but whether he can go back is left vague, and the general sense is that while he remains in contact with the chiss, he's persona non grata with them due to his previous checkered career and can't easily go home.
The novels make it pretty clear he never really learned to play politics nearly as well as he did the game of war. And it cost him because he angered the wrong political opponents, and lost one or two of his most valuable political allies.
Ruger
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The novels make it pretty clear he never really learned to play politics nearly as well as he did the game of war. And it cost him because he angered the wrong political opponents, and lost one or two of his most valuable political allies.
Ruger
a similar story to his Imperial career, pretty much. if not for Eli Vanto (an imperial officer who becomes his aid-de-camp) and later Arihnda Pryce, even the Emperor's patronage wouldn't have allowed Thrawn to rise through the ranks. in Chiss service he had similar allies who were more politically adept to aid him in navigating the non-military side of things.
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Is it just me or did the thingiebob look a lot like the walkers from Horizon Zero Dawn?
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Nice to hear Ian McDiarmid crushing it as Palpatine once again. :clap:
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Ah, seems we're an episode behind here.
Was just going to comment it was sad to not have Jimmy Smits as Bail Organa.
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Ah, seems we're an episode behind here.
Was just going to comment it was sad to not have Jimmy Smits as Bail Organa.
I got up to date, season 2 episode 7, and 8 I liked the revisiting of the senator from Pantora, and unfortunately Darth Sidious is still playing the galaxy and the senate by being several steps ahead of everyone else
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The mandelorian is back
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I never expected to see a Zilllo Beast again.
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Yeah. I was not really impressed with it
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Yeah. I was not really impressed with it
Eh... Alien meets Star Wars, I thought the Commando's would have done better.
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The snow and particle effects were amazing in the latest Bad Batch, and they did a good job making it feel cold too, the shivering that Crosshair did was great
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I think our two Crosshair episodes this season are hands down the best of the entire series.
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This most recent was very good.
Did the Zillow beast story in 11 get resolved? I don’t really remember.
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The Imps recaptured it and took it away to the facility.
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Oh, I was really tired when I saw it. Maybe Ill rewatch that one
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A two episode finale to Bad Batch season two, and DAMN what episodes they were!
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SQEEEAAAL!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnzNZ0Mdx4I
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New Star Wars movie announced with Rey - set 15 years after Rise of Skywalker.
Also another new movie announced which will be a Cross-over bridging the TV shows, directed by Dave Filoni.
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SQEEEAAAL!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnzNZ0Mdx4I
Sounds like someone is a Trekky fan...
~Snort~
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.P-ZSTMS4jJz93i61ApdVZQAAAA?pid=ImgDet&rs=1)
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AP article about the latest developments in the Star Wars movie franchise
https://apnews.com/article/star-wars-new-movies-ba6d94901b67bf76fa0edd6461c1edca?utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0tq1h1xEb4mLuoEsGe-fRAwsx2uwmXLK1Kx26JHhGB2zXRI8W1qqxDreQ
Damon.
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EDIT.
Oystein beat me to it.
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Ashoka trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=RDCMUCZGYJFUizSax-yElQaFDp5Q&v=HnzNZ0Mdx4I&embeds_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.starwars.com%2F&source_ve_path=MTM5MTE3&feature=emb_rel_end (https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=RDCMUCZGYJFUizSax-yElQaFDp5Q&v=HnzNZ0Mdx4I&embeds_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.starwars.com%2F&source_ve_path=MTM5MTE3&feature=emb_rel_end)
see my post above :)
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I am super excited for Ahsoka series. Also live action Sabine and Thrawn are in it.
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And Hera and Chopper.
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Oh yeah those two as well. My bad for forgetting those two.
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And Hera and Chopper.
And Huyang
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I can see Mark Hamill appearing every so often in Ghost Mode, Wouldn't that also imply Palpatine shadowing his Apprentice Master? As Yoda said, 'There is always a Master for every Apprentice, [sic]the Sith have one[/sic].
Who would that be, as Snoke was a Palpatine puppet...
And would Grogu and Mando show up? I mean, Boba *still* lives... technically. Why wouldn't he, Din Djarin, not be still around? And would we see any of the Yuuzhan Vong War? Or anything pre-Darth Mickey for that matter? Like his marriage to The Emperors Hand, Mara Jade?
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Personally i hope that there won't be Yuuzhan Vong War considering that I didn't like that story line first time around so what chance there is that I would like it second time around. Besides why would they even do that one or Mara Jade when Legends fans would still hate it on principle.
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If the Vong show up I'll drop watching Star Wars for eternity. Worst part of EU ever.
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Looks like the Critical Drinker was right again when he predicted that Rey was coming back. Let the hate begin lol.
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If the Vong show up I'll drop watching Star Wars for eternity. Worst part of EU ever.
I totally agree. It was what made be stop reading EU in first place.
Also I am sure same people that hate every new material on principle will hate Rey getting her own movie but then again they wouldn't watch it anyway so why would LucasFilm care. I in other I am little glad that Rey and her actress get new chance but in other had it's something new for usual suspects to be outraged over no matter how stupid reason it is.
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If the Vong show up I'll drop watching Star Wars for eternity. Worst part of EU ever.
Wish there was a like function. Completely agree!
Damon.
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Why all the hate for the Vong? I've not read those books, so I'm curious.
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For me it was a combination of issues. But one of the biggest was The Superman effect. The Jedi had become the Superman of the SW galaxy. They could do anything; they were well nigh invincible. So how do you challenge that? You throw in a big bad where their powers don't work! The thing is that the best Superman stories that challenge him are not the ones where his superpowers are negated, but the ones where his superpowers just don't help the situation. He can't super-punch the situation to a resolution. In the same way, a meaningful, challenging story for the Jedi isn't fighting an enemy that can negate their Force powers, but one in which their Force powers are not an auto-win. I just think it was a creative low & they could have done better.
Damon.
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Lars Mikkelsen (who also played Thrawn in Rebels) is Thrawn in Ahsoka.
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Nice to have it finally confirmed. Been hearing it rumored for a while now.
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. In the same way, a meaningful, challenging story for the Jedi isn't fighting an enemy that can negate their Force powers, but one in which their Force powers are not an auto-win. I just think it was a creative low & they could have done better.
Damon.
Part issues is there no ongoing steady persons writing up and keeping up with what all the lore. The post-Disney writers have been hit and miss (mainly film side of the house/directors [i blame directors/producers more on that front].) That said, if you look at i would term non-canon sources such as RPG systems in the past, they did have counters to Force Users, Jedi and the Sith are bound one ...genre/group that uses the force. Not entire shooting match. There are user group or individuals whom use force without same background. Light & Dark isn't as straight for them, there Grey force users. More balance than balance but they're easily pulled in one direction. Sisters were group from RPG, I do think they have mention in the Cartoons/CGI Animated television shows of their existence. Their essentially dark force users, but not by Sith teachings.
Either case, my point is that Disney writers/directors/etc have not been pouching from other source of Legend/Legacy yet. Frankly, it's why the Jedi look like their all powerful no one to compare them too. Universe focus is too centric on Jedi unfortunately. Having other groups out there doing completely different way of using the force would help a lot for universe in general. However, its lack creativity on Lucas Light and Magic which is part of the bigger problem, since taken over by Disney ownership. Their not branching out trying anything new. Given Disney's corporate nature, I would fear how much generic/crappier the SW universe will get.
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Why all the hate for the Vong? I've not read those books, so I'm curious.
IMO the hate, stems from the writers killing off chewie in the very first novel..
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Part issues is there no ongoing steady persons writing up and keeping up with what all the lore. The post-Disney writers have been hit and miss (mainly film side of the house/directors [i blame directors/producers more on that front].) That said, if you look at i would term non-canon sources such as RPG systems in the past, they did have counters to Force Users, Jedi and the Sith are bound one ...genre/group that uses the force. Not entire shooting match. There are user group or individuals whom use force without same background. Light & Dark isn't as straight for them, there Grey force users. More balance than balance but they're easily pulled in one direction. Sisters were group from RPG, I do think they have mention in the Cartoons/CGI Animated television shows of their existence. Their essentially dark force users, but not by Sith teachings.
Either case, my point is that Disney writers/directors/etc have not been pouching from other source of Legend/Legacy yet. Frankly, it's why the Jedi look like their all powerful no one to compare them too. Universe focus is too centric on Jedi unfortunately. Having other groups out there doing completely different way of using the force would help a lot for universe in general. However, its lack creativity on Lucas Light and Magic which is part of the bigger problem, since taken over by Disney ownership. Their not branching out trying anything new. Given Disney's corporate nature, I would fear how much generic/crappier the SW universe will get.
Thing is that most of Legends was miss. This is because there was so much material and lot of different authors writing those that they kept repeating same plot points that others had already done. While Legends did have some good ideas as well as some good material it wasn't this flawless continuity that it's fans seem to claim while only remembering good parts. I don't want to anger Legends fans but I think that it needs to be pointed out that it wasn't what they think it is while (unfairly imo) hating everything that is made during Disney era. And yes I used to be Legends fan so I did read both good and bad parts of it with Vong war being what broke the straw so to speak and made me to quit Legends all together.
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Part issues is there no ongoing steady persons writing up and keeping up with what all the lore. The post-Disney writers have been hit and miss (mainly film side of the house/directors [i blame directors/producers more on that front].) That said, if you look at i would term non-canon sources such as RPG systems in the past, they did have counters to Force Users, Jedi and the Sith are bound one ...genre/group that uses the force. Not entire shooting match. There are user group or individuals whom use force without same background. Light & Dark isn't as straight for them, there Grey force users. More balance than balance but they're easily pulled in one direction. Sisters were group from RPG, I do think they have mention in the Cartoons/CGI Animated television shows of their existence. Their essentially dark force users, but not by Sith teachings.
Either case, my point is that Disney writers/directors/etc have not been pouching from other source of Legend/Legacy yet. Frankly, it's why the Jedi look like their all powerful no one to compare them too. Universe focus is too centric on Jedi unfortunately. Having other groups out there doing completely different way of using the force would help a lot for universe in general. However, its lack creativity on Lucas Light and Magic which is part of the bigger problem, since taken over by Disney ownership. Their not branching out trying anything new. Given Disney's corporate nature, I would fear how much generic/crappier the SW universe will get.
The comics series for the High Republic, as well as the novels for the same have been showing non-Jedi/Sith Force users for a few years now.
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The Vong are also compared alot to Tyranids.
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Yeah to many (including to me) they felt very 40k rather than SW.
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I saw this and thought of that.
(https://scontent-ord5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/342200912_757501932574365_450414066063450427_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=2c4854&_nc_ohc=tZc_tk0U6ssAX9rjy6a&_nc_ht=scontent-ord5-2.xx&oh=00_AfBOq_ginowITd7z37_YBhKOjMqW0DdDabzmAHBpaFHtHw&oe=6448190B)
A Lockheed A-12 mounted upside-down during radar tests at Area 51.
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.HDVyxiQMJ0cRrVKwafPebAHaDt?pid=ImgDet&rs=1)
The J-type 327 Nubian Royal Starship aka Naboo Royal Starship.
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Part issues is there no ongoing steady persons writing up and keeping up with what all the lore
turns out.. nope there is, its its own dedicated position with the title "keeper of the holocron"
https://www.wired.com/2008/08/ff-starwarscanon/
https://www.starwars.com/news/introducing-leland-chee
https://dorksideoftheforce.com/2017/08/23/leland-chee-keeper-star-wars-holocron/
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Leland_Chee
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Lucasfilm_Story_Group
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turns out.. nope there is, its its own dedicated position with the title "keeper of the holocron"
https://www.wired.com/2008/08/ff-starwarscanon/
https://www.starwars.com/news/introducing-leland-chee
https://dorksideoftheforce.com/2017/08/23/leland-chee-keeper-star-wars-holocron/
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Leland_Chee
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Lucasfilm_Story_Group
That's good. I wish some of the creative writers would listen to him more. Lol. Sometimes it seems potential show runners / writers are like they're only listening to the bits they like.
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Now for something completely different:
Visited where parts of Episode VII and VIII was filmed - Michaels monestary on Greater Skellig off the west coast of Ireland.
Been wanting to go here for years (unrelated to Star Wars). :)
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Are you going to be spending time in Dublin? Because we'll be having a BattleTech meetup on Thursday of next week...
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Forgotten weapons
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Now for something completely different:
Visited where parts of Episode VII and VIII was filmed - Michaels monestary on Greater Skellig off the west coast of Ireland.
Been wanting to go here for years (unrelated to Star Wars). :)
Did you eat your Porg fried or roasted?
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Did you eat your Porg fried or roasted?
better question were there other Porg wanting some?
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I'll just leave this here: https://youtu.be/J_1EXWNETiI (https://youtu.be/J_1EXWNETiI)
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Well then E-Wings are now canon thanks to Ahsoka show. Trailer also brought some questions that are hopefully answered in show.
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The E-Wings look great. My favorite fighter form the expanded universe.
Don't know if that will be enough to save the show IMHO.
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Don't judge it before it's out even if you're going to it ready to hate it.
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It'll be awesomejuice part 7.
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It'll be awesomejuice part 7.
Me and my coworkers are calling it Rebels season 5. ;)
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Me and my coworkers are calling it Rebels season 5. ;)
That would gel better if the two main leads were featured in the show with her.
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Me and my coworkers are calling it Rebels season 5. ;)
more like season 6, when you figure that half of seasons 2 and 3 of the mandalorian were basically following up on Rebels plotlines.
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I am not sure exactly where they are trying to plug Asoska show into the timeline, but my personal feel based on the apparent age of the chars is that it should be roughly return of jedi to mando ish because the who "rebels" show was ~5-10 years ish that started ~12 years after order 66 happened and the empire was declared
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from the trailer, it looks like it's set around the same time as the Mandalorian series. seasons 2 and 3 of it laid a lot of ground work for the whole "thrawn returning as the leader of the imperial remnants" part of the story.
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That would gel better if the two main leads were featured in the show with her.
not trying to spoiler it too much but 2 (or 3) of the characters are core members of the rebels team
core members of rebels:
Canan Jaris (Dead)
Esra Bridger "missing"
Hera Syndulla pilot (in the trailer)
Sabine Ren the Mando girl (in the trailer)
and chopper the droid, in the trailer.
I remember Zeb (Garazeb) was in the cantina in the last episode of Mandalorian (season 3)
Asosoka spy/occasional helper
grand admiral Thrawn major villain
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not trying to spoiler it too much but 2 (or 3) of the characters are core members of the rebels team
core members of rebels:
Canan Jaris (Dead)
Esra Bridger "missing"
Hera Syndulla pilot (in the trailer)
Sabine Ren the Mando girl (in the trailer)
and chopper the droid, in the trailer.
I remember Zeb (Garazeb) was in the cantina in the last episode of Mandalorian (season 3)
Asosoka spy/occasional helper
grand admiral Thrawn major villain
i suspect that finding Ezra will be part of the story of the show. i suspect we won't get Zeb except as a cameo, due to the amount of CGI needed to pull him off, but we know from the lego sets announced so far that we're getting some new supporting characters. (a "first officer hawkins" and the moncal "Lt. Beyta". their inclusion in 75357 "The Ghost and Phantom II" suggests they'll play a big enough role to warrant Lego thinking people will want figures of them. the set also includes Jacen Syndulla, suggesting he'll also make an appearance.)
and yeah, kanan is dead, so he's not coming back. (and no, the fact that Rebels had the world between worlds does not mean he can.. that place was destroyed in Rebels, and it was already established in that rebels episode that pulling him from the point of his death would unravel too much events wise because it would mean the death of Hera, ezra, Sabine, Zeb, and so on. in Dr.Who terms, his death is a fixed point. it can't be changed without breaking history.)
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Really liked the first two episodes. A little slow, but they needed to set the table for those who have never seen Rebels - which I think they did pretty well.
The Purrgils took Thrawn to another galaxy! :shocked:
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Enjoyed first two episodes. Seeing Ray Stevenson as a Dark Jedi made me both happy and sad at the same time. Man, I loved me some Titus Pullo. RIP Ray.
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Enjoyed the double episode, but it really does need a small recap of Rebels if you haven't seen it to fit the full context. Who is Ezra and why should one care about him if you haven't seen Rebels? (I have and fully know why). But it's a very context-sensitive show as written.
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I watched the first episode of this Ashoka, and gave up on it. Bland characters, super slow, and horrific dialogue. I didnt watch Rebels, so I had no idea who these people even were or why I should care about them.
Star Wars is truly dead.
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I watched the first episode of this Ashoka, and gave up on it. Bland characters, super slow, and horrific dialogue. I didnt watch Rebels, so I had no idea who these people even were or why I should care about them.
Star Wars is truly dead.
In your opinion.
Having watched Rebels, several times, and enjoyed it each time, I’m loving Ahsoka.
Having read the Thrawn novels (both the Legends ones and the new canon ones), I’m loving it even more.
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I watched the first episode of this Ashoka, and gave up on it. Bland characters, super slow, and horrific dialogue. I didnt watch Rebels, so I had no idea who these people even were or why I should care about them.
Star Wars is truly dead.
It's was by DESIGN to make you look into Rebels. It merely failed to hook YOU, sir. Everyone's mileage will vary...
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I never watched Rebels, but I got enough background information from other live action shows and plenty of YouTube videos on related subjects to find Ahsoka to be interesting enough to watch. Especially with how it follows up on A New Hope and its trilogy movies.
I just cannot stand the animation style used for Rebels to watch it.
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I never watched Rebels, but I got enough background information from other live action shows and plenty of YouTube videos on related subjects to find Ahsoka to be interesting enough to watch. Especially with how it follows up on A New Hope and its trilogy movies.
I just cannot stand the animation style used for Rebels to watch it.
I was the same...I forced myself to watch at least Season 4 because of Thrawn (the original Thrawn trilogy were my first "grown up novels" when I was a kid). Over the season the style sort of grew on me, at least enough to be watchable and I binged the entire series. My family though just couldn't do it.
I really enjoyed the first two episodes, and really looking forward to seeing Thrawn...I just hope it isn't a "last ten minutes of the last episode" sort of deal...
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I too watched the last couple episodes of Ashoka and found I really liked it. I'm hoping for a Rex cameo...
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I tired watching the first episode with an open mind, but it was so badly written and had plotholes the size of multiple Deathstars. :huh:
- A New Republic ship carrying an important prisoner suddenly encounters an Imperial shuttle and the captain foolishly decides to "call their bluff" even though he knew it was suspicious by allowing it to land onboard? WTF? Why didn't he just blast them out of space?
- This same idiot captain decides to greet the strangers (who are obviously Sith since they wear dark cloaks and have visible lightsabers on their belts) with a squad of his men, one of which is a Mon Calamari that has webbed hands and cant even grip the blaster on his belt.
- The captain then walks up right next to the Sith guy like an idiot. He's heard of the Jedi, and knows what they can do, but is soo stoopid he does this. I cant think of a worse writing than this entire first scene.
- And then Ray Stevenson (the only good actor who happens to be wasted in this role) just walks straight down the corridor waving his lightsaber around and manages to deflect every single blast as these bolts come in from different directions, which could only mean that the guards were aiming specifically for his orange lightsaber, and not at him.
- The star map that contains Thrawn's location is deep inside some thousand year old forgotten temple. If this temple is so old, would that mean Thrawn never moved for hundreds of years and stayed in the same planet all this time?
- And then towards the end, the Jedi girl and the Sith girl have a duel, and the Jedi gets stabbed by a lightsaber... and survives! Why do all the women who gets stabbed by lightsabers survive? It seems the only ones who died via lightsaber throughout this entire franchise was Qui Gon, Han Solo and Obi Wan.
- The Sith girl wins the fight, and then inexplicably just walks away without making sure Jedi girl is really dead. WTF?
- Why even bother to fight with a lightsaber if youre up against chicks since they survive each and every time?
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For me, 5 minutes in, while the provisional captain is watching the security detail and captain getting killed, I'm like "Seal and secure hanger bay access and vent the hanger!"
I tired watching the first episode with an open mind, but it was so badly written and had plotholes the size of multiple Deathstars. :huh:
- A New Republic ship carrying an important prisoner suddenly encounters an Imperial shuttle and the captain foolishly decides to "call their bluff" even though he knew it was suspicious by allowing it to land onboard? WTF? Why didn't he just blast them out of space?
- This same idiot captain decides to greet the strangers (who are obviously Sith since they wear dark cloaks and have visible lightsabers on their belts) with a squad of his men, one of which is a Mon Calamari that has webbed hands and cant even grip the blaster on his belt.
- The captain then walks up right next to the Sith guy like an idiot. He's heard of the Jedi, and knows what they can do, but is soo stoopid he does this. I cant think of a worse writing than this entire first scene.
- And then Ray Stevenson (the only good actor who happens to be wasted in this role) just walks straight down the corridor waving his lightsaber around and manages to deflect every single blast as these bolts come in from different directions, which could only mean that the guards were aiming specifically for his orange lightsaber, and not at him.
- The star map that contains Thrawn's location is deep inside some thousand year old forgotten temple. If this temple is so old, would that mean Thrawn never moved for hundreds of years and stayed in the same planet all this time?
- And then towards the end, the Jedi girl and the Sith girl have a duel, and the Jedi gets stabbed by a lightsaber... and survives! Why do all the women who gets stabbed by lightsabers survive? It seems the only ones who died via lightsaber throughout this entire franchise was Qui Gon, Han Solo and Obi Wan.
- The Sith girl wins the fight, and then inexplicably just walks away without making sure Jedi girl is really dead. WTF?
- Why even bother to fight with a lightsaber if youre up against chicks since they survive each and every time?
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As far as lightsaber stabbing goes.. Cal Kestis survived a stabbing too.
The big thing everyone keeps ignoring when they complain about it is location..
Sabine was through the lower right side of the chest, right through the liver and upper large intestine. With cauterization, survivable long enough to get to medical care. Which she got immediately, with ahsoka having medical stuff on her ship and then flying sabine to the hospital.
Qui gon jinn was stabbed just under the sternum, angled upwards. Right into the heart. It would have flash boiled the blood in the lower chambers and literally exploded it. That he lasted long enough to get out a few last words was practically a miracle.
So not a plothole.
As for the prison ship captain.. yeah the guy was arrogant and could have handled things better, but given there is a new jedi order in the new republic, i suspect he though the potential for them to be actual pre-imperial jedi now coming out of hiding warranted investigation. His biggest flaw was he underestimated the capability of the people who came aboard.. but few people even before the empire knew how dangerous a jedi could be, and the captain clearly thought he was dealing with some imperial officers in cosplay, not actual force users
And the star map gets some context in ep2.. its not to Thrawn specifically, but a map of routes between the local galaxies, and the dathomir lady has had visions that one of those galaxies is where thrawn ended up.
Personally i find the ship she's building for the trip interesting.. its a giant hyperspace ring, like was used for fighters in the clone wars. At first i didn't know why she'd do a ring much less one that scale, but then it occured ro me.. Thrawn didn't dissappear alone. He vanished alongside the entire Seventh Fleet, a force of at least 31 star destroyers, a dozen of Arquitens-class cruisers and gozanti patrol cruisers, amd at least four dreadnought heavy cruisers. (Per wookieepedia). And hyperdrive rings are used to carry smaller vessels through hyperspace. She's building a supership nthat can haul back a substantial portion of Thrawn's former fleet once they've found him.
[./spoiler].
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For me, 5 minutes in, while the provisional captain is watching the security detail and captain getting killed, I'm like "Seal and secure hanger bay access and vent the hanger!"
Honestly, anything you would have thought of would have been better than what was shown. I think Dave Filoni thought he was writing the sequel to Spaceballs. All it needed was a laugh track.
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I just want to see the Katana fleet and Thrawn show up, but mostly Darth Mickey to do more space battles and less sappy rom-coms.
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I love when they do little things like this.
The droid in the E-Wing was inspired by Kenner's original R2D2 action figure.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0x-quzaYAENM_P?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0x-quwaMAEFVp8?format=jpg&name=large)
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Speaking of references.. Filoni got three wolf ones in already. Plus two arthurian ones.
The dark jedi and his apprentice are Baylan Skoll and Shin Hati. Skoll and Hati are the wolves that chase the sun and moon in norse mythology.
The are working for Morgan Elsbeth, who has under her command the inquisitor Marrok. sir Marrok was a knight of king arthur turned into a wolf, through a curse placed on him by the witch Morgan LeFey.
Further references noticed..
The ancient map device is very similar to the map sphere from Disney's treasure planet.. and even is unlocked and operated very similarly.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sTa-8RzsAbg
Which is a nice little callback to a criminally underrated film.
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He squeezed in a Robotech reference as well with the reflex point.
It's been a while since he did one. I think his last one was Pre Vizla with some very VF-1S looking antennas on his helmet:
(https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/databank_previzsla_01_169_3e74112a.jpeg?region=0%2C0%2C1560%2C780)
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Now that's a lawsuit I'd love to see happen. I don't care who wins, i just want to see the fallout/results.
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So, not wanting to spoil myself reading you all:
Ashoka: yay or nay for a watch?
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Yea
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Yea, Ashoka is a post Clone Wars / pre Star Wars filler.
Action wise, it has merits, but so far feels much like a rom-com, just with lightsabers.
It's nice to see fillers that answers the eighteen years of the Skywalker kids life.
Luke and Leia where just born when Anakin became Vader, and the continued Order 66, the Jedi kill order. So we can be sure to see any Jedi survivors here as Ashoka tries to help.
Ultimately, it's a tv show, but as we've seen before, Disney has pulled out some pretty unique cast one offs and reoccurring characters, maybe Mando or, dare I say, Boba? I mean it is during this timeframe after all...
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So, not wanting to spoil myself reading you all:
Ashoka: yay or nay for a watch?
Only 2 episodes have been released so far so it's impossible to tell at this time, try it and tell us what you think.
I've seen most of Rebels and I liked Ashoka ep 1+2 although acknowledge it was slow and lacking lots of charisma.
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I know for me they did something that makes me hard nope out of the series and supremely not interested in watching anymore.
And I'll leave it at that and say no more.
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I'd say watch it. Its been enjoyable so far for me, but I'm also not a hard-core star wars lore fiend.
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So episode 3 of ahsoka.
Looks like the New Republic has all the political issues of the old one, plus the corruption issues of the empire. They're definately working on showing how the galaxy got to be the way it is in the sequel trilogy.
And looks like i called it. There is no such thing in star wars as a non-force sensitive person. Just degrees of talent with the force and degrees of training to sense amd use it. Which interestingly suggests that the Jedi were just being picky in their recruitment by only taking those with the strongest natural talents.
And some of the story with the map sphere provided.. apparently ancient records, including the jedi archive, had knowledge of hyperspace routes to other galaxies, based on the observation of purgill migration routes. The prescence of so many purgill at Seatos in the Denab system perhaps suggests it lies at the base of one of those routes, which would help explain why they're building the intergalactic hyperspace ring there.
One thing i noticed though.. the ring is using seven super star destroyer hyperdrive cores. Iirc though, The factory boss on Corellia said they'd provided nine. Suggesting that there might be some other stuff being built by imperial remnants that could pop up. (Like perhaps a new flagship for thrawn to use when he gets back)
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So, Marrrok is Ezra, right?
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So, Marrrok is Ezra, right?
going to go with "almost certainly not".
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Different actor as well.
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yeah, it's the guy who voices "starkiller" in the Force Unleashed videogames. which of course has a lot of people now saying that Inquisitor Marrok is Galen Marek brouht into canon from the EU.. but that is almost certainly wrong as well. if he was you can bet they'd have dropped some hint towards it over than using the same actor.
i don't think Marrok is a preexisting character, i just think they wanted an inquisitor and decided to invent a new one for the show. the ahsoka series does seem to be avoiding the trap that other SW media falls into of reusing the same characters and places for everything. we've avoided tatooine so far for example. we've seen Corellia before in Solo, but a 2nd visit under a new(ish) management isn't a big deal.. and to be honest, it was a good choice for a shipyard segment, and given the in universe commentary about corellia building "the big ships" and not just "the local bulk cruisers" it fit as a place that might be able to build the drives but which might not have a high level of new republic oversight (the way that say, Kuat would, since Kuat was the main shipyard for the New Republic Fleet). and we can give Lothal a pass since it is the home of one of the main characters.
personally the info i want to know about Marrok is his number.. we've seen third, fifth, sixth, eighth, and Tenth brother so far, and that seems to have been their operational names wen in imperial service. so Marrok was almost certainly known as "[number] Brother" at some point. we know the Sisters went up to thirteen, so there is still a pretty wide range of options for him. (though to be honest, i'm not sure if the numbers are fully code names ala James Bond being 007, or organizational rankings. since the only rank we know of for sure is "grand inquisitor". seen in rebels and which with his death, all the other inquisitors we saw kept trying to backstab each other to earn the position)
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Man, I'd love to see a slice of life take on "I just wanted to be a normal Inquisitor, not the High Inquisitor!" With force related accidents and pratfalls keeping our clueless and relatively content Acolyte out of harms way and serious harm. They are happy hunting down jedi and that's it.
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I wouldn't mind a Vader intrusion but pass it to one of the Sith lackeys to follow up with.
The Imperial enslavement of Mon Calamari, Wookies and the few skirmish especially butt heading with the Hutts and their allies.
Maybe a story arc on the few Imperial Secrets that have dropped in various supplements...
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So episode 3 of ahsoka.
Looks like the New Republic has all the political issues of the old one, plus the corruption issues of the empire. They're definately working on showing how the galaxy got to be the way it is in the sequel trilogy.
And looks like i called it. There is no such thing in star wars as a non-force sensitive person. Just degrees of talent with the force and degrees of training to sense amd use it. Which interestingly suggests that the Jedi were just being picky in their recruitment by only taking those with the strongest natural talents.
And some of the story with the map sphere provided.. apparently ancient records, including the jedi archive, had knowledge of hyperspace routes to other galaxies, based on the observation of purgill migration routes. The prescence of so many purgill at Seatos in the Denab system perhaps suggests it lies at the base of one of those routes, which would help explain why they're building the intergalactic hyperspace ring there.
One thing i noticed though.. the ring is using seven super star destroyer hyperdrive cores. Iirc though, The factory boss on Corellia said they'd provided nine. Suggesting that there might be some other stuff being built by imperial remnants that could pop up. (Like perhaps a new flagship for thrawn to use when he gets back)
What I thought was really interesting about that is the MMO Star Wars The Old Republic is basically exploring something similar...Darth Malgus explained that there are many, many Force Sensitives that "the Jedi deemed unworthy". They haven't gone to the length of "everyone can do it", at least not yet, but definitely are delving into the idea that the small number of Jedi is because they have very, very strict criteria and there are many, many, MANY others who can use the Force but failed to meet those criteria and where left behind.
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I can see the Night Sisters as such a group...
And then there's Luke's "wife "...
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I guess one way to explain the Force-sensitiveness and the Jedi picking who gets trained and who doesn't is that they're culling potential Dark Siders from the population. The average Force-sensitive may be tempted by the Dark Side, but they're not really going to turn out to anything useful for a Sith, while a child who does show power past that minimal level and could do damage as a potential Sith gets snatched up to be trained as a Jedi.
Granted, I haven't seen Ahsoka so I'm just spitballing, but it seems like the kind of things the Jedi would do.
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honestly that would fit pretty well with the evidence.
picking only those with strong talents also helps explain why with a whole galaxy of people being sifted for candidates, in the clone wars series it seems like there were only a handful of children in danger from palpatine's abduction efforts. the jedi kept treating like those specific children was a whole generation of future jedi at risk.
and i find it interesting that there are lots of fans losing their heads over the show's handling of the Force, complaining that by making everyone able to learn to sense and use the force, it removes its nature as 'the magic" of the setting.. but Ahsoka literally is just paraphrasing descriptions of the force given by George Lucas since 1981. he's always meant for it to be something anyone can learn.
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Do you like magic tricks?
Can YOU preform the more complex ones?
That's what Ashoka meant, it takes time and practice, years preforming these.
Natural talent is a rare thing, that's what Jedi are, they practice what comes naturally to the point of genetics being part of it. They were born with it.
Mastering takes practice and that's what they did when not preforming peace keeping or hygiene/sleeping.
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Anakin!
I never expected to see the world between worlds again.
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Which one?
Grandson or grandfather?
Third Organa-Solo child...
SW/Legends
Fans of the old Star Wars novels might remember Han’s children Jacen and Jaina Solo, and maybe even Luke’s son Ben Skywalker from the later books. But then, who exactly is Ben Solo, better known as Kylo Ren...
Yeah I miss them...
Also, in current canon, as far as we know, Palpatine never procreated naturally. According to the Rise of Skywalker novelization, his “son”, Rey’s father, was a clone of Sheev.
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Anakin!
I never expected to see the world between worlds again.
I kind of expected it. I wished I had not. Currently having a love/hate relationship with this show.
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I am really enjoying Ray Stephensons character in this - so calm and composed. Nothing rushed and bouncing on the walls. :D
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He died this past May...
Yes he was a good actor.
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I am really enjoying Ray Stephensons character in this - so calm and composed. Nothing rushed and bouncing on the walls. :D
plus 1.. I am hoping he gets a good ending
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Darth Mickey is releasing Episode X, New Jedi Order in a few years ..
https://youtu.be/_prGmDIuCX8?si=Q68zNztXHX_fjOhO (https://youtu.be/_prGmDIuCX8?si=Q68zNztXHX_fjOhO)
Squeal!
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It's a well done fan trailer, not official.
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Darth Mickey is releasing Episode X, New Jedi Order in a few years ..
https://youtu.be/_prGmDIuCX8?si=Q68zNztXHX_fjOhO (https://youtu.be/_prGmDIuCX8?si=Q68zNztXHX_fjOhO)
Someone actually thought this was real? :huh:
Alot of that is quite clearly videogame footage.
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So I'm gullible...
I prefer my pancakes with ketchup...
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In that case, can I interest you in buying a bridge? I'll even throw in a couple bottles of Heinz.
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See, I would have settled for a Lunar Timeshare on Titan's back side, but now...
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I'll just leave this here.
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so thoughts on ep5
Glad that the world between worlds appearance was a vision/dream/hallucination and not an actual visit. though the whole 'jacen can hear the lightsabers' was a weird element, but eh, the force works in mysterious ways.
i loved that Carson Teva (the X-wing pilot) changes his mind about doing the extra sweeps the moment that he hears that jacen's father was a Jedi. i'm guessing that between Ahsoka and Luke, he's seen enough Jedi stuff to not question things. and i like that he's very ride or die to protect Hera, with the way that he was willing to put his own career on the line to stall the ship captain.
i was a little surprised that only ahsoka was going to the other galaxy by way of the Purgill. i was honestly expecting Hera to tag along in the Ghost. if not most of the X-wings as well.
and speaking of the ships, i rather like these (currently still unidentified) new republic warships (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Unidentified_New_Republic_cruiser). they look like the legends MC30a Frigate, but are clearly much larger, though still smaller than a mon cal cruiser or a star destroyer. it makes sense that the New Republic would start standardizing their fleet and clearing out a lot of the hodge podge they had as the rebel alliance, and given what had been established by the period of the sequel trilogy, we know that the really big ships like star destroyers and the mon cal cruisers had been heavily restricted in numbers by treaties and laws. so building a lot of non-ISD ships to (in theory at least) handle peacekeeping makes sense.
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Glad that the world between worlds appearance was a vision/dream/hallucination and not an actual visit. though the whole 'jacen can hear the lightsabers' was a weird element, but eh, the force works in mysterious ways.
Don't say warchild, show warchild, yeah. Well done.
i loved that Carson Teva (the X-wing pilot) changes his mind about doing the extra sweeps the moment that he hears that jacen's father was a Jedi. i'm guessing that between Ahsoka and Luke, he's seen enough Jedi stuff to not question things. and i like that he's very ride or die to protect Hera, with the way that he was willing to put his own career on the line to stall the ship captain.
I think he's meant to be our everyman here, the audience's POV. Sort of an inside joke that we hear "the Force did it," we shrug and say "Okay?".
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Yea, Ashoka is a post Clone Wars / pre Star Wars filler.
Action wise, it has merits, but so far feels much like a rom-com, just with lightsabers.
It's nice to see fillers that answers the eighteen years of the Skywalker kids life.
Luke and Leia where just born when Anakin became Vader, and the continued Order 66, the Jedi kill order. So we can be sure to see any Jedi survivors here as Ashoka tries to help.
Ultimately, it's a tv show, but as we've seen before, Disney has pulled out some pretty unique cast one offs and reoccurring characters, maybe Mando or, dare I say, Boba? I mean it is during this timeframe after all...
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nitpick you have the timeline wrong.
the shows you were referencing that was post prequels pre star wars a new hope was obiwan Kenobi, rebels, and Andor.
Ashoka is POST Return of the Jedi, its actually set around the same time as season 3 of the Mandalorian. (or a little later)
i'm actually current up through episode 5
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It feels like pre-SW to me, like a memory autobiography.
Like she's telling her story to the future.
Some shows are like that, so do some movies.
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So instead of a Disney+ show/series, it's now a full Lando movie :
https://www.polygon.com/star-wars/23874957/lando-star-wars-movie-donald-glover
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azn
https://www.polygon.com/deals/2023/9/12/23870459/lego-venator-attack-cruiser-insider-available (https://www.polygon.com/deals/2023/9/12/23870459/lego-venator-attack-cruiser-insider-available)
Yes...
Personal birthday gift to me!
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So instead of a Disney+ show/series, it's now a full Lando movie :
https://www.polygon.com/star-wars/23874957/lando-star-wars-movie-donald-glover
mixed feelings here. movie means better budget.. but a series would have given more time for the story to be built up, and to get to know the characters
azn
https://www.polygon.com/deals/2023/9/12/23870459/lego-venator-attack-cruiser-insider-available (https://www.polygon.com/deals/2023/9/12/23870459/lego-venator-attack-cruiser-insider-available)
Yes...
Personal birthday gift to me!
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pretty sure this happened because a few Lego stores overseas got shipments of them and instead of waiting till the official release date a few weeks from now in October, stuck them on shelves already.
http://bricksfanz.com/lego-ucs-venator-appears-in-airport-store/
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azn
https://www.polygon.com/deals/2023/9/12/23870459/lego-venator-attack-cruiser-insider-available (https://www.polygon.com/deals/2023/9/12/23870459/lego-venator-attack-cruiser-insider-available)
Yes...
Personal birthday gift to me!
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Does it really have only one, dual-cannon and each side?
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from the pictures on the box, it looks like it has cannons on both sides.
personally i'm hoping we get a nice "Star destroyer Chimera" kit with interior as a result of the Ahsoka series. or some imperial ship at least.
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Does it really have only one, dual-cannon and each side?
The original design had the dual cannons in each trench, and the rotating turrets on either side of the superstructure (the latter like the Imperial Star destroyers).
Ruger
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The original design had the dual cannons in each trench, and the rotating turrets on either side of the superstructure (the latter like the Imperial Star destroyers).
Ruger
the Imperial versions seen at the end of Revenge of the Sith seem to have retained the turrets on each side of the superstructure, but lack the dual cannons in the trench. (something that also end up happening to the Arquitens class in its shift between the republic light cruiser and the imperial command cruiser.)
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a thought by a friend of mine, with a perspective on certain parts of Ep5 that i think explain things..
I may be wrong, but I'm actually fairly certain that wasn't actually anakin. I'm fairly certain that was the daughter using his likeness. Look at the lesson being taught. Pre or Post Anakin would not be teaching that lesson. At all. It's completely out of left field for him. But for the daughter, who's entire thing is about life, about seeking peace, etc. Yeah, that lesson is her entire MO.
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If this is Anakin post-Vader, teaching lessons about life are the most important ones he can teach. After his redemption by Luke, one of the most important lessons he learned before he died, is the importance of life. Not out of character at all, if viewed from the events at the end of Jedi.
Damon.
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the Imperial versions seen at the end of Revenge of the Sith seem to have retained the turrets on each side of the superstructure, but lack the dual cannons in the trench. (something that also end up happening to the Arquitens class in its shift between the republic light cruiser and the imperial command cruiser.)
When I said “like the Imperial star destroyers” I was referring to only the turrets on the sides of the superstructure. I didn’t have my word placement very well done in that previous message to make that clear.
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The original design had the dual cannons in each trench, and the rotating turrets on either side of the superstructure (the latter like the Imperial Star destroyers).
Ruger
OK, the reason I was wondering, because if it's that small, only possessing a dual-cannon on each side of the ship, then, it could be converted to FASA's Interceptor rules as a Patrol-ship (rather large, since it carries fighters or a Corvette, in 2e rules). I was thinking of those cannons being 7.5/30's or even 15/15 or basically, > 7.5/6's.
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https://fun-a-day.com/star-wars-lego-science/ (https://fun-a-day.com/star-wars-lego-science/)
So you want to free Solo- Jabba
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If this is Anakin post-Vader, teaching lessons about life are the most important ones he can teach. After his redemption by Luke, one of the most important lessons he learned before he died, is the importance of life. Not out of character at all, if viewed from the events at the end of Jedi.
Damon.
I think that is a terrifically astute take and much better articulated than I tried to relate to my kids after we watched the episode.
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Really, that's ALL he can teach: He is one of first truly flawed and remorseful former Jedi allowed into the Jedi afterlife. As Vader, he has so much to account for... As Anakin, he has arguably just as much. I still believe that having him kill the younglings in RotS was a box Lucas should not have painted (How exactly can you NOT be invited to an execution after that?)
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It would have settled how there were no more Jedi afterwards.
If he didn't off them while they were young force sensitives, it would have harder later on.
Besides, it was Anakin that showed his true self power as he allowed the dark side to consume his hatred. He just found out his mother was killed, his girlfriend was being moody and Palpatine was "egging" him on via Dark Manipulation by Force.
He was even more angry when Obi-Wan stopped by lashing out in a duel and leaving him to die.
Such anger would lead to his ultimate devices of Galactic terror as Vader. Knowing both dark and light sides of the force, he only went back to the light after he saw the good in his errors. Sacrificing his life for his son's is an ultimate saving grace.
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Having thought about it, especially in light of the events Episode 3. The Force has proven it has not sapient. Why would any kind intelligent being (the microscopic beings that make Force work.) forgive Anakin for list of hideous crimes that man committed???! He gets a happy ending as a Force ghost.
That was really bad decision story wise to seed Vader's past, especially the Jedi massacre at the temple.
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Maybe they don't have a morale?
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Vader's redemption is a religious one, which I cannot go into here due to forum rules. But it is pretty obvious to me...
Damon.
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I was hoping to hear a certain wheezing sound from the Purgill at the start of the episode. It moved really quickly for me and I got huge ewok vibes before the reunion.
I did enjoy it.
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They're loading coffin sized boxes from the catacombs...for three days.
An army of undead Nightsisters?
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ok finally watched ahsoka...
space whales?
it was done in anime OVA macross 7 and space whales are almost copy of the macross spacce whales accept for the color being black not white
they are huge they were white and they did fold space
my guess is writer was either a fan or wanted disney to be sued...
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Large organisms in space, resembling whales, isare not something Macross made up. They're following a long trend of the things that have popped up since the 70s.
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Or undead troopers. There was something off feeling about his cadre when the camera was panning over them to me. Especially with how dirty the armor looked.
Live action apparently also adds a few pounds as when we got to see Thrawn, I thought he was a blue Data. All the art from the animated series made me expect a much thinner face.
They're loading coffin sized boxes from the catacombs...for three days.
An army of undead Nightsisters?
As for the whales, that was the point of my earlier meme of Ahsoka jumping out, then the commercial harpoon equipped Valkyries appearing over the planet asking where the whales went. As for whales in hyperspace, I immediately thought of the Schrödinger's Whales introduced in 2011 in Aa! Megamisama.
Macross 7's whales were from 1997-98 and Infinite Ryvius also used them as well. (1999) Purrgil were introduced in Rebels in 2016. There is alot of Japanese influence in western Sci-fi.
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Large organisms in space, resembling whales, isare not something Macross made up. They're following a long trend of the things that have popped up since the 70s.
true
but whale design cell for cell copy with added tenticles?
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Space Whale (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpaceWhale)s have been around for a long time, long before Macross hit on the idea.
Hell, Star Wars has already done it - from that page:
Star Wars Legends: The first example of a space whale species was introduced in 1984 by one of the earliest Star Wars novels. Other examples followed, eventually making their ways into cartoons.
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The EU and novels are very much not mass mainstream unlike anime however.
Space Whale (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpaceWhale)s have been around for a long time, long before Macross hit on the idea.
Hell, Star Wars has already done it - from that page:
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Still it'll be hilarious to watch if HG does try and go after Disney. I almost dare them to.
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Really want to see more interaction between Ahsoka/Sabine and Baylon. I think I've enjoyed his character the most, and am sad that we can't have more next season (he may well die this season, but I have no clue).
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I was hoping to hear a certain wheezing sound from the Purgill at the start of the episode. It moved really quickly for me and I got huge ewok vibes before the reunion.
I did enjoy it.
The term erocks immediately came to my mind when I watched it last night. :grin:
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The EU and novels are very much not mass mainstream unlike anime however.
Anime isn't mainstream either. I doubt 1 in a million Star wars viewer has seen that series.
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I wonder if they'll use anything from Droids in the series... Or any of the official TV series?
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The way Thrawn talked about his dwindling numbers, needing the Nightsisters "dark magic again" at the end, and the coffin-size boxed being loaded up makes me think we're getting a bit of Death Troopers (the novel) and that a good chunk of the Stormtroopers he had with him when the Chimaera vanished are now/going to be zombified shocktroops...which is kind of awesome. Death Troopers and Red Harvest are two of my favorite novels.
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Baylon Skol seems a very interesting guy, if a bit vague. I want to sympathize with him, as he feels alot like Dooku, but he still feels pretty off.
Really want to see more interaction between Ahsoka/Sabine and Baylon. I think I've enjoyed his character the most, and am sad that we can't have more next season (he may well die this season, but I have no clue).
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I can see the Noghri show up and battle Ashoka, maybe with Forcesticks and Forcestaffs, possible with a Beskar blade?
Space Ninjas! Both Vader and Thrawn used them...
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Or undead troopers. There was something off feeling about his cadre when the camera was panning over them to me. Especially with how dirty the armor looked
keep in mind, his forces have been separated from any sort of proper logistical support for ten years. he started with something like two score star destroyers and at least as many support ships (dreadnaught cruisers and Imperial command cruisers at minimum, probably a lot of imperial gozanti's as well. that they have a single star destroyer still mostly functional and enough storm troopers to garrison it is something of a testament to Thrawn's leadership skills. especially since there have been hints dropped that thrawn and the nightsister elders are fleeing some greater threat, something thrawn probably tried to fight.
Live action apparently also adds a few pounds as when we got to see Thrawn, I thought he was a blue Data. All the art from the animated series made me expect a much thinner face.
they got his voice actor to play him. and honestly, everyone was extra tall and spindly in Rebels. even the star destroyers were.
The EU and novels are very much not mass mainstream unlike anime however.
calling Macross 7, the most maligned and forgotten of the macross shows 'mainstream" is hilarious. especially since the 'space whales' in it were in a largely forgotten made for TV movie that got pretty poor reviews when it came out.
besides, in that they looked nothing like purgill.
https://macross.fandom.com/wiki/Vahla_Ena
(they were glowing crystal-tree looking things.)
I can see the Noghri show up and battle Ashoka, maybe with Forcesticks and Forcestaffs, possible with a Beskar blade?
Noghri (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Noghri) already showed up in rebels, as a main galaxy species under the empire. thrawn used one as an assassin (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Rukh), but he was killed.
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Yes, I know that, but Ashoka hasn't fought them yet...
And Timothy Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy is the basis of the show, so far...
And we haven't seen much of that Chiss to rule out options yet.
His Chimaera had modifications...
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keep in mind, his forces have been separated from any sort of proper logistical support for ten years. he started with something like two score star destroyers and at least as many support ships (dreadnaught cruisers and Imperial command cruisers at minimum, probably a lot of imperial gozanti's as well.
I think you're misremembering the Rebels finale. The Purrgil only took the Chimera into hyperspace. The rest of the ships they destroyed.
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Anime isn't mainstream either. I doubt 1 in a million Star wars viewer has seen that series.
I'd argue Star Wars is considerably more maintain then Anime as well, also Filoni and the others involved are passionate fans of star wars including the old EU
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Or undead troopers. There was something off feeling about his cadre when the camera was panning over them to me. Especially with how dirty the armor looked.
Live action apparently also adds a few pounds as when we got to see Thrawn, I thought he was a blue Data. All the art from the animated series made me expect a much thinner face.
As for the whales, that was the point of my earlier meme of Ahsoka jumping out, then the commercial harpoon equipped Valkyries appearing over the planet asking where the whales went. As for whales in hyperspace, I immediately thought of the Schrödinger's Whales introduced in 2011 in Aa! Megamisama.
Macross 7's whales were from 1997-98 and Infinite Ryvius also used them as well. (1999) Purrgil were introduced in Rebels in 2016. There is alot of Japanese influence in western Sci-fi.
having a good pic of the Macross 7 whales and the Zentradi BB Capital ships implies that you, like many, think the TPTB of Macross Cannon want you to think the Protoculture were inspired by many natural fauna when they designed the Zentrati fleet structures...
As for tonight's episode? I want to say that others have read or posted the idea that Ezra wasn't gonna be found alive?
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Seems to be a retcon set by Macross 7. I was just looking for pictures for comparison sake. That one Purrgil picture does seem to have alot in common with the Zentraedi battleship. Even the other animated purrgil pictures seem to be stubby versions of the Nupetiet-Vergnitzs battleship on a casual glance. I believe I've derailed the thread enough though.
having a good pic of the Macross 7 whales and the Zentradi BB Capital ships implies that you, like many, think the TPTB of Macross Cannon want you to think the Protoculture were inspired by many natural fauna when they designed the Zentrati fleet structures...
As for tonight's episode? I want to say that others have read or posted the idea that Ezra wasn't gonna be found alive?
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How would y'all feel about the Nightsisters being the recurring enemies of the Jedi going forward?
As much as I like the Sith, I'd prefer them to stay dead (at least for a long time)
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There's always a Master and a Apprentice, always Acolytes in waiting and many more as Pawns to usurped.
The Emperor isn't dead, while we don't know that for sure, Sheev might appear as a Clone with Force Powered Will...after all Palpatine did say in his Office Room to Anakin:
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Duel_in_Palpatine%27s_office (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Duel_in_Palpatine%27s_office)
" The Sith Lord claimed that together, they could discover the secret to controlling death and saving Amidala's life. " ~ from website. (The inside story goes a Sith Master found a Dark Force way to control death, Force Will or Force Reanimation, doesn't say whichever.) Novels/Comics had both... But since Darth Mickey took over?
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From what I've interpreted from the episode It does seem like they are fleeing something; which might be what Baylon was talking about
Abaloth or something like her perhaps?
Also going to make two predictions: 1. Sabine and Ezra stop Thrawn from escaping but become stranded themselves or 2. Everyone escapes but they bring something back possibly thru Ezra
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They're loading coffin sized boxes from the catacombs...for three days.
An army of undead Nightsisters?
my guess? we know that the sith can bind their 'souls' to their remains and thus preserve their personalities after death (as seen in clone wars season 6 "sacrifice"), and we've seen the witches of Dathomir do something similar in Rebels (Rebels season 3, "Visions and Voices". i don;t think that is an army. i think it is the Dathomiri witch's archive.. in the form of the bodies of deceased witches, which they summon up whenever they need to learn from them. the witches are going to be relocating with thrawn to the main galaxy, and are taking all their valued knowledge and relics with them.
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There are rumors of another movie with Daisy Ridley as Rey, so perhaps they are setting up the big bads with that....
Damon.
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Not rumors. That was confirmed a couple months ago..
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All i say on that, is BLEH!
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there has also been confirmed info that Filoni will be getting a film related to the Disney+ shows.
https://www.starwars.com/news/swce-2023-new-star-wars-films
so if he is setting up any sort of new big bad, he might be setting it up for that film. though i wouldn't put it past the lucasfilm creative team to give filoni a film to finish off the thrawn story arc, while using Ahsoka to set up a new big bad for the post sequel trilogy films.
(i just hope it isn't a revamped version of the Yuuzhan Vong.)
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I'd LOVE to see the vong get some screen coverage.. All we've had on them is comics or novels..
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Dear gods, the vong is the one thing (barring Lucas coming back) that would sour me on Star Wars for all eternity...
The worst storyline in Star Wars history, ever. Star Wars Holiday Special is brilliance genious compared to it.
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I'd like to see some background history on other people.
Like Xim the Despot and his War Droids.
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I'm all in on a Daisy Ridley Star Wars movie. Just put a shock collar on JJ Abrams so if he even says Star Wars he gets blasted.
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I'd like to see some background history on other people.
Like Xim the Despot and his War Droids.
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well we are getting a film set near the start of the jedi order, so perhaps we'll see some of those things in it? the current canon has the jedi order starting around 25,000 bby, and Legends had Xim the Despot's empire existing around the same time. it may be that the new film will use Xiim as the big bad the nascent jedi order helps defeat, getting the jedi their reputation as defenders of the galaxy. (interestingly.. the Old Republic in the current canon also has its origin put around 25,000 bby.. so it could well be that the nascent Jedi helped found the Republic.)
edit: also.. the droid Huyang is also said to be 25,000 years old, along with the the ship he served on to teach jedi, the Crucible. or at least, he's supposed to have started serving the jedi very early after their founding, "a thousand generations" before. if he's not in the dawn of the jedi film, i'll be annoyed. especially if it lets them bring in David Tennant again.
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Darth Mickey want some sacrificing?
I might know someone, asking for a friend. :evil:
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Dear gods, the vong is the one thing (barring Lucas coming back) that would sour me on Star Wars for all eternity...
The worst storyline in Star Wars history, ever. Star Wars Holiday Special is brilliance genious compared to it.
I liked the freshness of the vong..
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Thing is, the Vong were not really fresh, & fell into the trap that lots of SF franchises fall into (and Superman as well).
The Vong culture, technology, etc. were very very derivative of other ideas in SF, & didn't even have the advantage of being done well (IMHO). Plus, in order to be a challenge to the Jedi, the creators did the same mistakes that they sometimes do with Superman: all of a sudden there are bad guys that are IMMUNE to their powers! Rather than create challenging scenarios where the Jedi powers are less of a utility, they create bad guys immune to the Force. Meh...
The Vong also suffer from the Escalation paradox (in order to make the threat meaningful, it just has to be BIGGER and MORE DANGEROUS than the last threat! Trek does this sometimes too...).
So yeah, I'll pass on the Vong being introduced into current Star Wars Canon.
The Vong storyline was the one series I never kept the novels for, nor completed.
Damon.
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The Hutts are immune...
Just make them like that, different Caste system, warrior, technician... Heck make a Priest Caste and give them Force Powers and "charge" them with protecting the race or something like that.
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So are toydarians. So there is already precedent for folks to have force immunity..
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its probably less outright immunity and more "their minds are different enough from the norm that influencing their thoughts is hard"
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its probably less outright immunity and more "their minds are different enough from the norm that influencing their thoughts is hard"
Honestly, hutt immunity seemed to be a response to jedi power creep. In the original trilogy, the mind trick was specifically mentioned as being something useful against the weak minded, and the implication seemed to be that Jabba was too strong willed to be affected.
The idea of resistance to the force being a racial trait started in the expanded universe and didn't get traction in the canon until the phantom menace (with Watto), and even then there was room for interpretation.
Personally, I think the idea that some races are just flat immune to the mystical binding force of the universe and destiny is lazy and a lot less interesting than the idea that certain strong willed individuals are able to resist having their minds influenced.
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Midi-chlorians is the "Force" ...
So maybe they are from past the time spread? Like so far out, time hasn't brought them to the Vong space?
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if I am not mistaken before the Vong the only "race" that was force immune was the Yalsyrmi and that was a kind of special case that made a certain amount of sense. IE there are animals on their planet that hunt using the force and the Yalsymrmi (Sloths) developed a force repulsion ability as a defense mechanism, IE they effectively pushed the "force" energies back creating an anti-force bubble around themselves
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Can you force sense a droid? What if Vong were more like Anakin, but replaced most of their body's with Droid parts, only their brains are left? Which are encased in some Force Negative Armor?
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They need to give all control of star wars over to Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau this is all.
Ahsoka, Mando, Andor all feel like what the Star Wars universe should have been like after the fall of the Empire they are telling a Legends-Lite story taking elements from the books without relying too much on nostalgia
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Midi-chlorians is the "Force" ...
Midichlorians are not the Force. Midichlorians are a microorganism that thrives in the body of already Force-sensitive beings. A Force sensitive being with a legion of Force sensitive beings living inside them and not using their own connection is a compounding effect and why midichlorians are classified as symbiotes rather than parasites. Jedi would generally be Force sensitive without midichlorians but they are perfect environment for the microorganisms and so they thrive and increase the Jedi's connection to and ability to manipulate the Force to do their "magic."They need to give all control of star wars over to Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau this is all.
Ahsoka, Mando, Andor all feel like what the Star Wars universe should have been like after the fall of the Empire they are telling a Legends-Lite story taking elements from the books without relying too much on nostalgia
All of the this.
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Watching Ashoka as suggested. Good stuff. I have watched only 2 serasons of Rebels, so some of the stuff they refer to is lost to me, but I am liking it. I like the Sith padawan! I had no idea that Sabine Wren was supposed to be a padawan and that surprised me a lot.
I am waiting for Chopper to do Chopper Stuff (TM) as he did in Rebels.
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Watching Ashoka as suggested. Good stuff. I have watched only 2 serasons of Rebels, so some of the stuff they refer to is lost to me, but I am liking it. I like the Sith padawan! I had no idea that Sabine Wren was supposed to be a padawan and that surprised me a lot.
I am waiting for Chopper to do Chopper Stuff (TM) as he did in Rebels.
in rebels Sabine was not a padawan at all. after she ended up with the darksabre, Kannan trained her to use the darksabre effectively lightsabre combat (D6 RPG) or exotic wp lightsabre (D20 RPG) Esra was the Padawan
if you want to do the typical star wars Archetypes Kanan was the old/failed jedi, Hera was the smuggler/brash pilot, Garazeb, and Sabine were the soldiers, and Esra was the rogue/padawan, and chopper was the tech
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I am waiting for Chopper to do Chopper Stuff (TM) as he did in Rebels.
War Crimes?
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I groaned out loud at the title.
Unfortunately now they have to recast Baylan.
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I groaned out loud at the title.
Unfortunately now they have to recast Baylan.
Yup, Baylon and Shin were the highlights of the show for me.
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Part of me really hoped that Baylan's story would wrap up..purely so they wouldn't have to recast him. Ray Stevenson knocked it out of the park. But...seems his story still had a good ways to go.
Was a fantastic finale...had all the things I had hoped for. I was actually shaking a bit at some parts.
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so... this is it? Season 1 was ONLY 8 episodes?
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Honestly, hutt immunity seemed to be a response to jedi power creep. In the original trilogy, the mind trick was specifically mentioned as being something useful against the weak minded, and the implication seemed to be that Jabba was too strong willed to be affected.
Which in game can be represented by a high willpower rating, or high perception. But that's kind of hard to 'transfer to the big screen'.
The idea of resistance to the force being a racial trait started in the expanded universe and didn't get traction in the canon until the phantom menace (with Watto), and even then there was room for interpretation.
I could see some races having an inherent immunity, but not just to the entire force, but maybe certain powers.. Such like the Halycon jedi line, had issues using tk, UNLESS they had absorbed energy. I could see other races or bloodlines, say having immunity to mind tricks, or the like.
Personally, I think the idea that some races are just flat immune to the mystical binding force of the universe and destiny is lazy and a lot less interesting than the idea that certain strong willed individuals are able to resist having their minds influenced.
See above.
if I am not mistaken before the Vong the only "race" that was force immune was the Yalsyrmi and that was a kind of special case that made a certain amount of sense. IE there are animals on their planet that hunt using the force and the Yalsymrmi (Sloths) developed a force repulsion ability as a defense mechanism, IE they effectively pushed the "force" energies back creating an anti-force bubble around themselves
I agree, it made sense for the Yssilmari to be immune, given the Vornskyr's way of hunting..
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so... this is it? Season 1 was ONLY 8 episodes?
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All the Mandalorian seasons were also 8 episodes each. Basically you end up with a 4(ish) hour movie sliced into chunks.
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yeah, short seasons are fairly standard now with streaming. but usually their production quality is closer to film level now. a lot of it is basically the fact that costs of production have gone up (especially now that most TV's are HD), so studios are going for shorter seasons but higher quality.
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so i'm watching season 2 of the SW Visions series.. i think this 2nd season is better than the first. more episodes that feel like actual stories with narrative and not just visuals. and more episodes that fell like they could actually exist in the canon timeline, rather than having to exist in their own unique continuity.
my favorites so far for season 2 are "Spy Dancer" and "Bandits of Golak", in large part due to the fact they do feel so 'canon-adjacent', but also because their stories have some real emotional weight to them. and while it wasn't as favorite of mine, i'll make special mention of "The Pit" for while its story was much simpler, it has a lot of gravitas and also feels very 'canon-adjacent'. (perhaps more so than the other two, given we know the Empire operated like that, and because it is about normal people.
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Hello! I watched Asoka. Not bad. Very centered in the Space wizards as usual (what can you expect after all?) but I liked it. I was missing some stuff since I had not watched Rebels before, so I had only a vague idea of why Thrawn was supposed to be so important. To me it looked like another Gideon Wannabe from Mandalorian, but with way less resources than Gideon. But everybody referred to him like he was supposed to be the next Emperor or something. We will see.
Ashoka was OK, and I liked the 2 teens from Rebels having grown up some. I liked the grumbling droid. Better done in tone than C3PO. Being a Jedi trainer I was expecting him to be a little bit capable with a lightsaber, but no big deal. The scenes with Anakin were also good. Better than Anakin in the episodes 1-3.
And I liked specially the 2 bad guys. Specially him and his "this is below me" attitude. I found that... refreshing. We will see where this goes form there :)
Overall, a good show. Will repeat for season 2.
Xavier
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Thrawn is not a "Yes Man", he is also a non-human, which speaks volumes for the Empire, as they were very fascist against non-humanoids. The fact he got to become an Imperial Grand Moff is saying loaded and smoking gun in the room.
Vader reports to Palpatine, but is technically under Thrawn via the Chancellor's decree. He'll follow sound tactical advice, which Thrawn excels at greatly, always plotting and has a few things that surprises even Vader.
Course this is from the Trilogy by Zahn... Darth Mickey could change this.
TT
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Thrawn was a Grand Admiral, not a Grand Moff (that would be like Tarkin).
But he has perhaps the greatest tactical and strategic mind of any leader in thr Star Wars setting. Given intel and time to prepare, he will inevitably win…unless the unexpected happens.
The thing is, Thrawn is so intelligent and adept at learning about his opponents through studying their art, their history, etc., that he misses little and prepares for most eventualities. It is only the stuff that he can’t understand (like unexpected Force powers, beings of power he doesn’t know about, or crazy ideas like drawing an immense pod of purgill into the battle, or his subordinates not following his plans, or politics) or just pure, unadulterated chance that will tend to undo him.
It was this way in the original Heir to the Empire trilogy in the Legends EU, the new trilogies in the Disney continuity, and in the Rebels series.
And Elmoth, Huyang was mostly a trainer in how to build lightsabers, and for Jedi younglings (I really hate that term). But he’s been around for some 25,000 years (since the beginning of the order) from what I’ve been given to understand, so he also has many stories to tell, which is a type of training as well, depending on your point of view.
Ruger
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Thrawn was a Grand Admiral, not a Grand Moff (that would be like Tarkin).
But he has perhaps the greatest tactical and strategic mind of any leader in thr Star Wars setting. Given intel and time to prepare, he will inevitably win…unless the unexpected happens.
The thing is, Thrawn is so intelligent and adept at learning about his opponents through studying their art, their history, etc., that he misses little and prepares for most eventualities. It is only the stuff that he can’t understand (like unexpected Force powers, beings of power he doesn’t know about, or crazy ideas like drawing an immense pod of purgill into the battle, or his subordinates not following his plans, or politics) or just pure, unadulterated chance that will tend to undo him.
It was this way in the original Heir to the Empire trilogy in the Legends EU, the new trilogies in the Disney continuity, and in the Rebels series.
And Elmoth, Huyang was mostly a trainer in how to build lightsabers, and for Jedi younglings (I really hate that term). But he’s been around for some 25,000 years (since the beginning of the order) from what I’ve been given to understand, so he also has many stories to tell, which is a type of training as well, depending on your point of view.
Ruger
they did
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If you want to know more about Thrawn just read the Timothy Zahn novels that were the original final trilogy.
Heir to the Empire
Dark Force Rising
The Last Command
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Unfortunately now they have to recast Baylan.
They should choose Thomas Jane.
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I stand corrected, thought both same rank, one Army and one Navy.
Apparently, Grand Admirals are a higher order, being only twelve, with Thrawn the only "Thirteenth" one. Wonder if the Eclipse will ever show up...
Always liked the looks of it, a giant Space Supertanker with a Spinal Death Star mounted on the front.
TT
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I stand corrected, thought both same rank, one Army and one Navy.
Apparently, Grand Admirals are a higher order, being only twelve, with Thrawn the only "Thirteenth" one. Wonder if the Eclipse will ever show up...
Always liked the looks of it, a giant Space Supertanker with a Spinal Death Star mounted on the front.
TT
Grand Moff is more a political “rank”/title, although it does have military applications as well.
Grand Admiral is a military one in the Imperial Navy. It was also used in the Mon Cala Mercantile Navy.
Grand General is a military rank in the Imperial Army.
Ruger
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I stand corrected, thought both same rank, one Army and one Navy.
Apparently, Grand Admirals are a higher order, being only twelve, with Thrawn the only "Thirteenth" one. Wonder if the Eclipse will ever show up...
Always liked the looks of it, a giant Space Supertanker with a Spinal Death Star mounted on the front.
TT
current canon lore is it being the sister ship of Vader's Executor (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Eclipse_(Executor-class)). and it was one of the ships the Emperor sent out into the "unknown regions" as part of Operation Cinder, to help build an empire-in-exile. currently under the command of Grand Admiral Sloane, and home to Brendol Hux (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Brendol_Hux)'s imperial academy project. so basically, it's the flagship of the proto-First Order.
given that Hux showed up in the Shadow council conference in mando season 3, it is certainly possible that the Eclipse might appear. but i'd doubt it. having a SSD and large fleet appearing out of the unknown regions would undermine the whole "the empire isn't a threat anymore" party line that dominates the current post-jakku setting, and continues on to "The force awakens". so i'm guessing that Thrawn will unify a few of the imperial remnants that still exist in Republic and unaligned regions, but won't be able to attract the more powerful hardliner factions that go on to form the First Order.
in a sense, he'll be like Admiral Daala in Legends, unifying several of the smaller warlords under his control but in the end, not being able to create a lasting entity. which is why the Republic will be able to claim that "the empire is defeated for good" and demilitarize. because they don't know about Sloane and Hux's rather extensive faction out in the unknown regions.
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Now that I can live with...
Wonder if they'll use Word Devastators or something like them, cause technically there around.
Also would love some V and E wings and/or Scimitar TIEs, maybe a TIE Tank?
TT
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I could almost see them using the Eclipse (would help explain why she is not around during the Force Awakens time frame). The way I see it is that having the New Republic finally defeat the last remaining SSD (although there is also the one under pirate control in the Disney canon) and it’s support fleet would really put paid to the notion that the Empire is truly defeated, and give credence to the notion that whatever remnants are now left are truly nothing to worry about, allowing the First Order to build into a credible threat while the New Republic can mostly demilitarize as they have “finally and totally defeated the Empire”.
Ruger
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the concept of the eclipse showed up in rise of skywalker, a star destroyer mounting a super laser
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That might be the Xyston-class Star Destroyer.
The Eclipse is currently stated as a Executor -class SSD, meaning a pre-successor design.
Which is what we're talking about.
After all, time to miniaturization is possible.
TT
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Well, the Star Wars Revelations #1 comic has now brought back some characters that were first introduced decades ago in the previous run of Marvel Star Wars comics: Rik Duel, Chisholm, and Dani!
Figured it would only be a matter of time before we saw them again.
Ruger
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Bad Batch season 3 trailer! https://youtu.be/Oa5zeHdSwdQ (https://youtu.be/Oa5zeHdSwdQ)
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Looks good.
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ventress showing up kinda throws Dark Disciple into a weird spot though. since she dies in that one.. but it's set during the clone war, shortly before it ends. curious to see if they address that, and if said book will remain part of the canon in full or end up with a broadstrokes partial retcon.
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Has been adressed:
We don't want to spoil anything, but want fans to know that any new storytelling with Ventress will align with the events of Star Wars: Dark Disciple.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnmeTyU1rA0&t=339s Then there was... Larry.
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I really look forward to BB season 3, but I've been hearing a LOT of static about our girl V showing up and breaking the "canon" of Dark Disciple.
Personally? {string of expletives omitted} the Novels being "canon". I always hated the old novels for their lack of continuity, care, or even understanding of the universe the writers were supposed to writing about. It always felt like the people making the fiction never actually watched the movies. To the point I generally rank ALL of it on par with the Christmas Special or the Droids animation. Which were 100% cringe.
Certainly not helping matters was the "feature creep" where the writers kept trying to one-up each-other with bigger and badder tech and force abilities due to a lack of actual storytelling skill. Worse still it feeling a lot like certain wargaming franchises that feel the need to spew out new equipment every few years to try and sell more merch, not giving a whit about upsetting game balance.
Probably why I'm such a big fan of Rebels. Well, apart from the helicopter dual-blades stuff. That was pretty jank. The extra stuff introduced wasn't generally OP, and they focused more on character development than they did toy sales or trying to "wow" the audience with new tech. Even when they did pull that stunt (B-wing with a mini death star laser?) it was a one-off and little more than a MacGuffin in a story that was more character exposition than "action for action's sake"
Like the early stats and games that put hundreds of lasers on Star Destroyers we never once see used in film. As if having two or three forward mounted big guns and maybe a dozen waist defense guns wouldn't have completely fit the on screen appearances. But NO, everything had to be over the top. Life day on a cushnip I thought they were supposed to be destroyers... my bad.
It's why I didn't shed a tear when all the old non-film junk -- note I'm not saying it wasn't entertaining junk -- was reverted to "legends". And thus I consider the new novels with their own inconsistencies and lack of care by the authors for what's been in film and shows to also be legends. EVEN if Disney claimed otherwise. It's all nonsense that should be enjoyed, but not treated as canon.
Dave wants to tell me an entertaining story about one of my favorite characters? One he basically created? I'm all in; to blazes with what some novel written by somebody else -- likely with zero concern for existing continuity -- says about her.
If the people making the films and shows acknowledge the books at all, it should be what Ahsoka said in "Twilight of the Apprentice" when Kanan dismisses certain stories as nothing more than fairy tales.
"There is always a hint of truth in legends."
Basically treat it as inspiration, not holy writ.
Thinking of Star Wars and how it relates to our favorite topic... in Rebels S1 when Ezra goes to the academy... Did anyone else notice he went by the name Morgan and one of the other cadets is named Kell? And then they escape in a walker that everyone is shooting at and can't seem to hit. I think there was more than "storm trooper aim" going on there.
Almost as bad as in Ahsoka where the drive transport can't hit Hera in the Phantom II. Some sort of "Phantom pilot ability" or something?
Also, am I the only person who understands everything Boomha... uhm, I mean Chopper says?
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Greef Karga is going to have to be recast unfortunately. Carl Weathers passed away today. He was 76.
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Dave wants to tell me an entertaining story about one of my favorite characters? One he basically created? I'm all in; to blazes with what some novel written by somebody else -- likely with zero concern for existing continuity -- says about her.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure I read that that entire book was based on one of the Story Arcs for the Clone Wars show that didn't get made before the show ended.
So I'm not sure how much had nothing to do with "existing continuity" since it was from the CW Group. Which I think is why it got the "Canon" tag to begin with.
I mean, if they can have Maul get stitched up by Droids after a 100+ foot plummet after being cut in half :shocked:, they can save quite literally ANYONE, lol.
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Greef Karga is going to have to be recast unfortunately. Carl Weathers passed away today. He was 76.
I just heard a bit ago. Such a bummer. :sad:
Rocky Films, Predator, Action Jackson, Force 10 from Navarone, Arrested Development, Happy Gilmore, Mandalorian..... so much stuff from my childhood to today. azn
But you know, this might be an opportunity to get Denzel, Danny Glover, or Ernie Hudson into the SW Universe azn
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I just heard a bit ago. Such a bummer. :sad:
Rocky Films, Predator, Action Jackson, Force 10 from Navarone, Arrested Development, Happy Gilmore, Mandalorian..... so much stuff from my childhood to today. azn
But you know, this might be an opportunity to get Denzel, Danny Glover, or Ernie Hudson into the SW Universe azn
assuming they do recast him.
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Dying off-screen and a funeral or memorial in the first episode would be fitting.
How they handle Ray Stevenson is going to be a bit more complicated.
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Oh crap. I liked Ray Stevenson in that role :( And Greef Kaga as a frontier mayor/sheriff trying to survive in a hard situation.
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Season 3 of The Bad Batch has kicked off with a 3 episode premier. Ian McDiarmid crushes it yet again! :bow:
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I was near weeping at the end of S3E1...
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I'm still wondering if Tech is really truly gone or if he survives somehow & shows up this season, IDK.
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Two episodes today.
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I'm still wondering if Tech is really truly gone or if he survives somehow & shows up this season, IDK.
Two episodes today.
And given how the second ends, makes me wander if it may tie into what Hellraiser suggested.
Ruger
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Official trailer drops tomorrow.
(https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/the-acolyte-teaser-poster_506fd466.jpeg?region=0,0,729,1080)
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https://youtu.be/BtytYWhg2mc (https://youtu.be/BtytYWhg2mc)
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Trinity is fighting this acoylte. :shocked:
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So, in today's Bad Batch episode who else thinks Fennec was contacting Ventress?
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This looks great! https://youtu.be/8SIST9t72kY (https://youtu.be/8SIST9t72kY)