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A Federated Suns Battlemech Brigade I designed...
« on: 10 July 2012, 14:19:18 »
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Brigade Command Company

A Lance:
      Brigade Commander – Enforcer III ENF-6M(MD)
          Pilot #1 - Dervish DV-7D
          Pilot #2 – Centurion CN9-D(MD)
          Pilot #3 – Centurion CN9-D(MD)

B Lance:
      Commander #1 – Dervish DV-7D
          Pilot #4 – Enforcer III ENF-6M
          Pilot #5 – Centurion CN9-D
          Pilot #6 – Hunchback HBK-4G

C Lance:
      Commander #2 – Dervish DV-7D
          Pilot #7 – Dervish DV-7D
          Pilot #8 – Enforcer III ENF-6M
          Pilot #9 – Centurion CN9-D

1st Regiment(Heavy)

1st Regiment Command Company(Assault)
   4 Victor VTR-9K
   4 Battlemaster BLR-3S
   4 Templar OmniMech's   

   1st Battalion Command Lance(Heavy)
      4 Thunderbolt TDR9NAIS
   1st Battalion 1st Company(Assault)
      4 Victor VTR-9K
      4 Battlemaster BLR-3S
      4 Templar OmniMech's
   1st Battalion 2nd Company(Heavy)
      4 Jagermech JM7-D
      4 Cataphract CTF-3D
      4 Archer ARC-8M
   1st Battalion 3rd Company(Heavy)
      4 Barghest BGS-3T
      4 Thunderbolt TDR-9NAIS
      4 Crusader CRD-5M
   2nd Battalion Command Lance(Heavy)
      4 Thunderbolt TDR9NAIS
   2nd Battalion 1st Company(Heavy)
      4 Barghest BGS-3T
      4 Thunderbolt TDR-9NAIS
      4 Crusader CRD-5M
   2nd Battalion 2nd Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-7D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   2nd Battalion 3rd Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-7D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   3rd Battalion Command Lance(Heavy)
      4 Thunderbolt TDR9NAIS
   3rd Battalion 1st Company(Heavy)
      4 Barghest BGS-3T
      4 Thunderbolt TDR-9NAIS
      4 Crusader CRD-5M
   3rd Battalion 2nd Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-7D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   3rd Battalion 3rd Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-7D
      4 Centurion CN9-D

2nd Regiment(Medium)

2nd Regiment Command Company(Heavy)
   4 Barghest BGS-3T
   4 Thunderbolt TDR-9NAIS
   4 Crusader CRD-5M

   1st Battalion Command Lance(Heavy)
      4 Thunderbolt TDR9NAIS
   1st Battalion 1st Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-7D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   1st Battalion 2nd Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-7D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   1st Battalion 3rd Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-7D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   2nd Battalion Command Lance(Heavy)
      4 Thunderbolt TDR9NAIS
   2nd Battalion 1st Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-7D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   2nd Battalion 2nd Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-7D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   2nd Battalion 3rd Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-7D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   3rd Battalion Command Lance(Heavy)
      4 Thunderbolt TDR9NAIS
   3rd Battalion 1st Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-7D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   3rd Battalion 2nd Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-7D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   3rd Battalion 3rd Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-7D
      4 Centurion CN9-D

3rd Regiment(Medium)

3rd Regiment Command Company(Medium)
   4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
   4 Dervish DV-7D
   4 Centurion CN9-D

   1st Battalion Command Lance(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
   1st Battalion 1st Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-7D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   1st Battalion 2nd Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-7D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   1st Battalion 3rd Company(Light)
      4 Ostscout OTT-10CS
      4 Valkyrie VLK-QT2
      4 Osiris OSR-4D
   2nd Battalion Command Lance(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
   2nd Battalion 1st Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-7D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   2nd Battalion 2nd Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-7D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   2nd Battalion 3rd Company(Light)
      4 Ostscout OTT-10CS
      4 Valkyrie VLK-QT2
      4 Osiris OSR-4D
   3rd Battalion Command Lance(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
   3rd Battalion 1st Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-7D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   3rd Battalion 2nd Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-7D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   3rd Battalion 3rd Company(Light)
      4 Ostscout OTT-10CS
      4 Valkyrie VLK-QT2
      4 Osiris OSR-4D[/pre]

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Re: A Federated Suns Battlemech Brigade I designed...
« Reply #1 on: 10 July 2012, 14:38:19 »
Could you specify year and unit?

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Re: A Federated Suns Battlemech Brigade I designed...
« Reply #2 on: 10 July 2012, 14:47:43 »
Could you specify year and unit?

Hadn't really thought about it but probably 3067 or later.

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Re: A Federated Suns Battlemech Brigade I designed...
« Reply #3 on: 10 July 2012, 15:31:22 »
There are some customized variants in the highest up command lance.  And this is for a non-canon universe future of 3095.

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Re: A Federated Suns Battlemech Brigade I designed...
« Reply #4 on: 10 July 2012, 15:33:44 »
Let's pretend you are in 3067. To be honest, there are some things that could be improved:

1. You do not build the first Star League regiment. Having lances composed of one type of 'Mech is quite uncommon in armies of Successor states. Yes, exception exist (such as Trebuchet lances in Regulan Hussars regiments), but they are relatively rare. In reality, most lances would be composed of four different 'Mechs.

2. TDR-9NAIS was brand new in 3067 and you have dozens of them.  :-\

3. Barghests were produced in the Lyran Alliance and were assigned mostly to elite Jäger regiments, especially this latest pre-Jihad variant with typical Lyran armament.

4. ARC-8M was produced (before Jihad started and in the first hallf of it) for Word of Blake Militia.

5. OTT-10CS is ComStar/Word of Blake model; as you may see, it has C3i computer

6. Perhaps you would like some additional 'Mechs to choose from?

Light lance
WLF-2/3S Wolfhound
DRT-3S/6S Dart
JVN-11D, (11F-prototype) Javelin
QD1/ QD3 Valkyrie
STH-1D/2D Stealth

Medium lance
CN9-D5, CN10-B Centurion
SHD-5D Shadow Hawk
HSN-7D Hellspawn
NGS-4S Nightsky

Heavy lance
JM7-F/D JägerMech
FLC-8R Falconer
PTR-4D Penetrator
WHM-6D/8D Warhammer "Project Phoenix"
GLT-8D Guillotine
CTS-6Y/Z Cestus
Black Hawk-KU (OmniMech)
Avatar (OmniMech)
AGS-4D/2D Argus
MAD-3D/ 5R/5T/7D Marauder
MDG-1A/B Rakshasa

Assault lance
NSR-9FC/9J Nightstar
GUN-1ERD Gunslinger
VTR-10D Victor
EMP-6D Emperor
DVS-2 Devastator
SGT-8R Sagittaire

Of course, there are many other 'Mechs you can choose from, but you may add some variety to your brigade. It's better than all those Enforcers, Dervishes and Centurions again and again.

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Re: A Federated Suns Battlemech Brigade I designed...
« Reply #5 on: 10 July 2012, 15:40:59 »
Let's pretend you are in 3067. To be honest, there are some things that could be improved:

1. You do not build the first Star League regiment. Having lances composed of one type of 'Mech is quite uncommon in armies of Successor states. Yes, exception exist (such as Trebuchet lances in Regulan Hussars regiments), but they are relatively rare. In reality, most lances would be composed of four different 'Mechs.

2. TDR-9NAIS was brand new in 3067 and you have dozens of them.  :-\

3. Barghests were produced in the Lyran Alliance and were assigned mostly to elite Jäger regiments, especially this latest pre-Jihad variant with typical Lyran armament.

4. ARC-8M was produced (before Jihad started and in the first hallf of it) for Word of Blake Militia.

5. OTT-10CS is ComStar/Word of Blake model; as you may see, it has C3i computer

6. Perhaps you would like some additional 'Mechs to choose from?

Light lance
WLF-2/3S Wolfhound
DRT-3S/6S Dart
JVN-11D, (11F-prototype) Javelin
QD1/ QD3 Valkyrie
STH-1D/2D Stealth

Medium lance
CN9-D5, CN10-B Centurion
SHD-5D Shadow Hawk
HSN-7D Hellspawn
NGS-4S Nightsky

Heavy lance
JM7-F/D JägerMech
FLC-8R Falconer
PTR-4D Penetrator
WHM-6D/8D Warhammer "Project Phoenix"
GLT-8D Guillotine
CTS-6Y/Z Cestus
Black Hawk-KU (OmniMech)
Avatar (OmniMech)
AGS-4D/2D Argus
MAD-3D/ 5R/5T/7D Marauder
MDG-1A/B Rakshasa

Assault lance
NSR-9FC/9J Nightstar
GUN-1ERD Gunslinger
VTR-10D Victor
EMP-6D Emperor
DVS-2 Devastator
SGT-8R Sagittaire

Of course, there are many other 'Mechs you can choose from, but you may add some variety to your brigade. It's better than all those Enforcers, Dervishes and Centurions again and again.

You are welcome to your views, but I like it as is.  My information shows that the Archer is a FedSuns design.  And I did update my information to say this is a non-canon future for the universe and it would be 3095.

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Re: A Federated Suns Battlemech Brigade I designed...
« Reply #6 on: 10 July 2012, 15:45:38 »
Your choice.

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Re: A Federated Suns Battlemech Brigade I designed...
« Reply #7 on: 10 July 2012, 15:48:32 »
Hm, you asked for an opinion. You got one...

I'm the same opinion like martian. The uniform lances are boring, reinforced by the very small selection of mech designs.
also, if you are in 3095, the DV-7M is long out of production and replaced by the -8D.

Just my two cents.
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Re: A Federated Suns Battlemech Brigade I designed...
« Reply #8 on: 10 July 2012, 15:52:03 »
Hm, you asked for an opinion. You got one...

I'm the same opinion like martian. The uniform lances are boring, reinforced by the very small selection of mech designs.
also, if you are in 3095, the DV-7M is long out of production and replaced by the -8D.

Just my two cents.

What DV-7M are you referring to, there is no DV-7M in my listing, there is a DV-7D.  Also I do not have the lance compositions listed, only the company compositions.  The lances would not be all one type of unit.

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« Reply #9 on: 10 July 2012, 16:10:25 »
I think he mixed up the DV-7D and the DV-6M.  The point he's making about the 8D stands, however, and the 9D has also become available by that point.

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« Reply #10 on: 10 July 2012, 16:15:11 »
I think he mixed up the DV-7D and the DV-6M.  The point he's making about the 8D stands, however, and the 9D has also become available by that point.

Okay, but anyway I come at this game from a real world sort of thinking as if I were the actual commander of the force.  Having similar units on this scale makes logical logistical sense.  It's also a specific brigade design I came up with for a Federated Suns character I worked up for the RPG.  I presume the DV-6M is actually the ENF-6M?  What does the 9D replace?

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« Reply #11 on: 10 July 2012, 16:27:56 »
The DV-8D was not in my list of available mechs for the source I was using, it has been added and will replace the 7D.

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« Reply #12 on: 10 July 2012, 16:41:48 »
What are the 3095 appropriate versions of the mechs I have in my current list?

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« Reply #13 on: 10 July 2012, 16:42:15 »
I presume the DV-6M is actually the ENF-6M?  What does the 9D replace?

No.  My point was that he may have jumbled the model numbers for two obsolete Dervish variants together.

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« Reply #14 on: 10 July 2012, 16:43:50 »
No.  My point was that he may have jumbled the model numbers for two obsolete Dervish variants together.

Okay

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« Reply #15 on: 10 July 2012, 17:19:25 »
If you don't want to be evaluated on canon organization or canon unit availability, what is it you want to be evaluated on?  It's a list of units organized...  It's combat ability?
For a Brigade, I expect to be able to handle everything.  At this point, you're not bringing in another force if you're not suited to it.  At least in canon, you're rarely using the entire Brigade as a single combat force.  That means each regiment needs to be able to handle tasks on its own as well.

So I'd have a little more variety within a regiment.  This force is almost entirely medium weight with average speed for mediums.  Each regiment should have its own recon elements, cavalry elements, and assault/static defense elements.  Other than sheer numbers, I wouldn't expect this brigade to hold a static defense for long.  It relies too much on constant movement.  Having at least a Battalion that can hold a line is useful.  On the flip side, all the units faster than 6/9 are in the same regiment.  Somebody has to do recon/skirmish for the first two regiments?

But thank you for avoiding all assaults :).  I just think you might have gone a bit far in using almost all medium.
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« Reply #16 on: 10 July 2012, 17:57:25 »
If you don't want to be evaluated on canon organization or canon unit availability, what is it you want to be evaluated on?  It's a list of units organized...  It's combat ability?
For a Brigade, I expect to be able to handle everything.  At this point, you're not bringing in another force if you're not suited to it.  At least in canon, you're rarely using the entire Brigade as a single combat force.  That means each regiment needs to be able to handle tasks on its own as well.

So I'd have a little more variety within a regiment.  This force is almost entirely medium weight with average speed for mediums.  Each regiment should have its own recon elements, cavalry elements, and assault/static defense elements.  Other than sheer numbers, I wouldn't expect this brigade to hold a static defense for long.  It relies too much on constant movement.  Having at least a Battalion that can hold a line is useful.  On the flip side, all the units faster than 6/9 are in the same regiment.  Somebody has to do recon/skirmish for the first two regiments?

But thank you for avoiding all assaults :).  I just think you might have gone a bit far in using almost all medium.

Thank you for the actual helpful analysis of my brigade.  I have contacted you privately for assistance in improving the brigade layout.

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« Reply #17 on: 10 July 2012, 19:04:10 »
So what are the 3095 versions of the mechs I already have, and what are other units from that time frame?

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« Reply #18 on: 10 July 2012, 19:11:58 »
So what are the 3095 versions of the mechs I already have, and what are other units from that time frame?

I have also drastically reorganized what forces are where in the brigade.

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« Reply #19 on: 11 July 2012, 00:40:43 »
No.  My point was that he may have jumbled the model numbers for two obsolete Dervish variants together.
As Moonsword said...

The actual variant of the Centurion would be the CN9-D9; it's also stated in TRO:3050U that the AFFS rotated older Centurions variants out for newer ones. So, CN9-D9.
Cataphract porduction dacilities ar also lost, the -3D was replace with the -5D.
The CRD-5M would be also relaced by an other design, e.g. the new Rifleman or other models out of TRO 3085.
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« Reply #20 on: 11 July 2012, 07:21:34 »
As Moonsword said...

The actual variant of the Centurion would be the CN9-D9; it's also stated in TRO:3050U that the AFFS rotated older Centurions variants out for newer ones. So, CN9-D9.
Cataphract porduction dacilities ar also lost, the -3D was replace with the -5D.
The CRD-5M would be also relaced by an other design, e.g. the new Rifleman or other models out of TRO 3085.

I don't have TRO 3085.

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« Reply #21 on: 11 July 2012, 08:10:31 »
I have a good story reason for why older equipment is being used by this Brigade.

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« Reply #22 on: 11 July 2012, 08:14:10 »
Anyway, here is the reorganized structure of the Brigade.

Brigade Command Company

A Lance:
       Brigade Commander – Enforcer III ENF-6M(MD)
          Pilot #1 - Dervish DV-8D
          Pilot #2 – Centurion CN9-D(MD)
          Pilot #3 – Centurion CN9-D(MD)

B Lance:
      Commander #1 – Dervish DV-8D
          Pilot #4 – Enforcer III ENF-6M
          Pilot #5 – Centurion CN9-D
          Pilot #6 – Hunchback HBK-4G

C Lance:
      Commander #2 – Dervish DV-8D
          Pilot #7 – Dervish DV-8D
          Pilot #8 – Enforcer III ENF-6M
          Pilot #9 – Centurion CN9-D

1st Regiment(Heavy)

1st Regiment Command Company(Assault)
   4 Victor VTR-9K
   4 Battlemaster BLR-3S
   4 Templar OmniMech's   

   1st Battalion Command Lance(Heavy)
      4 Thunderbolt TDR9NAIS
   1st Battalion 1st Company(Assault)
      4 Victor VTR-9K
      4 Battlemaster BLR-3S
      4 Templar OmniMech's
   1st Battalion 2nd Company(Heavy)
      4 Jagermech JM7-D
      4 Cataphract CTF-3D
      4 Archer ARC-8M
   1st Battalion 3rd Company(Heavy)
      4 Barghest BGS-3T
      4 Thunderbolt TDR-9NAIS
      4 Crusader CRD-5M
   2nd Battalion Command Lance(Heavy)
      4 Thunderbolt TDR9NAIS
   2nd Battalion 1st Company(Heavy)
      4 Barghest BGS-3T
      4 Thunderbolt TDR-9NAIS
      4 Crusader CRD-5M
   2nd Battalion 2nd Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-8D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   2nd Battalion 3rd Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-8D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   3rd Battalion Command Lance(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
   3rd Battalion 1st Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-8D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   3rd Battalion 2nd Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-8D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   3rd Battalion 3rd Company(Light)
      4 Ostscout OTT-10CS
      4 Valkyrie VLK-QT2
      4 Osiris OSR-4D

2nd Regiment(Medium)

2nd Regiment Command Company(Medium)
   4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
   4 Dervish DV-8D
   4 Centurion CN9-D

   1st Battalion Command Lance(Heavy)
      4 Thunderbolt TDR9NAIS
   1st Battalion 1st Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-8D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   1st Battalion 2nd Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-8D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   1st Battalion 3rd Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-8D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   2nd Battalion Command Lance(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
   2nd Battalion 1st Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-8D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   2nd Battalion 2nd Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-8D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   2nd Battalion 3rd Company(Light)
      4 Ostscout OTT-10CS
      4 Valkyrie VLK-QT2
   3rd Battalion Command Lance(Heavy)
      4 Thunderbolt TDR9NAIS
   3rd Battalion 1st Company(Heavy)
      4 Barghest BGS-3T
      4 Thunderbolt TDR-9NAIS
      4 Crusader CRD-5M
   3rd Battalion 2nd Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-8D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   3rd Battalion 3rd Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-8D
      4 Centurion CN9-D

3rd Regiment(Medium)

3rd Regiment Command Company(Heavy)
   4 Barghest BGS-3T
   4 Thunderbolt TDR-9NAIS
   4 Crusader CRD-5M

   1st Battalion Command Lance(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
   1st Battalion 1st Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-8D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   1st Battalion 2nd Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-8D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   1st Battalion 3rd Company(Light)
      4 Ostscout OTT-10CS
      4 Valkyrie VLK-QT2
      4 Osiris OSR-4D
   2nd Battalion Command Lance(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
   2nd Battalion 1st Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-8D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   2nd Battalion 2nd Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-8D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   2nd Battalion 3rd Company(Light)
      4 Ostscout OTT-10CS
      4 Valkyrie VLK-QT2
      4 Osiris OSR-4D
   3rd Battalion Command Lance(Heavy)
      4 Thunderbolt TDR9NAIS
   3rd Battalion 1st Company(Heavy)
      4 Barghest BGS-3T
      4 Thunderbolt TDR-9NAIS
      4 Crusader CRD-5M
   3rd Battalion 2nd Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-8D
      4 Centurion CN9-D
   3rd Battalion 3rd Company(Medium)
      4 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      4 Dervish DV-8D
      4 Centurion CN9-D

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Re: A Federated Suns Battlemech Brigade I designed...
« Reply #23 on: 11 July 2012, 14:16:02 »
what do you mean by the (MD) in the first Lance

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          Pilot #1 - Dervish DV-8D
          Pilot #2 – Centurion CN9-D(MD)
          Pilot #3 – Centurion CN9-D(MD)


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Re: A Federated Suns Battlemech Brigade I designed...
« Reply #24 on: 11 July 2012, 15:28:36 »
what do you mean by the (MD) in the first Lance

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          Pilot #1 - Dervish DV-8D
          Pilot #2 – Centurion CN9-D(MD)
          Pilot #3 – Centurion CN9-D(MD)

Designators for a custom design of mine.

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Re: A Federated Suns Battlemech Brigade I designed...
« Reply #25 on: 18 July 2012, 17:10:06 »
In reality, most lances would be composed of four different 'Mechs.

4. ARC-8M was produced (before Jihad started and in the first hallf of it) for Word of Blake Militia.

QD1/ QD3 Valkyrie
WHM-6D/8D Warhammer "Project Phoenix"
MAD-3D/ 5R/5T/7D Marauder

It's better than all those Enforcers, Dervishes and Centurions again and again.
Over all I agree w/ much of the thoughts you gave but a few things I'd quibble with.

Actually, having 2 of a common design is not at all uncommon & there are plenty of canon examples of it.  While a lance could have 1-4 different mech types, I'd say the typical lance actually has 3 (maybe 2)

Pretty sure the 8M is a standard Marik model.  WoB might have gotten some but its also on the Merc list.  They sold it to everyone.

A few of the "Reseen" you gave him are just as bad off as the T-Bolt so while you can have them I wouldn't overload any of them same as you mentioned on the T-Bolt.
I think the 3050 versions would be much more common than any of the 3067 reseen.

Lastly, Enforcers & Centurions are (IIRC) the 2 most common mechs in the AFFS (Perhaps Valkyrie up there too), so having a pair of them in a Lance isn't bad at all IMHO.   Many lances of pure x4 is taking it overboard but I figure it is possible for that to show up occasionally.


My information shows that the Archer is a FedSuns design.
Fed Suns don't produce the Archer AFAIK, that model is Marik but sold to many.
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Re: A Federated Suns Battlemech Brigade I designed...
« Reply #26 on: 18 July 2012, 18:20:32 »
Anyway, here is the reorganized structure of the Brigade.

Brigade Command Company

A Lance:
       Brigade Commander – Enforcer III ENF-6M(MD)
          Pilot #1 - Dervish DV-8D
          Pilot #2 – Centurion CN9-D(MD)
          Pilot #3 – Centurion CN9-D(MD)

B Lance:
      Commander #1 – Dervish DV-8D
          Pilot #4 – Enforcer III ENF-6M
          Pilot #5 – Centurion CN9-D
          Pilot #6 – Hunchback HBK-4G

C Lance:
      Commander #2 – Dervish DV-8D
          Pilot #7 – Dervish DV-8D
          Pilot #8 – Enforcer III ENF-6M
          Pilot #9 – Centurion CN9-D   

Thoughts.
1.  Pretty sure a Brigade Commander is no longer in the field.
Most RCTs have a Mech Regimental Commander & a full on RCT commander & that 2nd person rarely sees combat any more.  But if you really want them in the field then I would consider the rest of my points.
2.  A single 4/6/0 Hunchback slowing down an entire company that moves 5/8+ ?  Bad Idea.
3.  Brigade Command Unit w/o a single Heavy/Assault Design ?
Where is the Cyclops for Tactical Command, the BattleMaster for 2nd Cockpit, the Rifleman/Jaggermech/Longbow for ADA protection,  the Ostscouts for Recon.
I'm not opposed to having some mediums in the BCU but they should be mixed in w/ every other mech type that handles these special functions.

Consider the following set up.....
Cyclops-11C, BattleMaster-3S, Marauder-5R, Axeman-1N
LongBow-7V, RifleMan-6X, Jaggermech-III, Dervish-8D
Centurion-9D, Valkyrie-QD, OstScout-9S, Locust-5M


1st Regiment(Heavy)

As for the rest of the choices........lets look at Assaults.
      8 Victor VTR-9K
      8 Battlemaster BLR-3S
      8 Templar OmniMech's
24 Assaults, Average should be 13.2
And only 3 models.  Even if you want to have a lot of duplicate units, they still don't come this well stacked. 
Why not a 9B, 10D, 11D Victor mixed in with some 9K's
I wouldn't go more than a single Lance of Templars to anyone, its just too new.
Battlemaster is the right model to pick but shouldn't be all 8.
Toss in some 1G, 1D, & 4S's to go with the 3S's.

Consider the following.... 16 Assaults...
Victors..9K, 9K, 9B, 10D
BattleMasters...1G, 1D, 3S, 4S
Templars x3.... Sunder x1
Devastator-2, LongBow-7Q, Atlas-7S, Nightstar-9J
 

Next up, the Heavies...... 44 of them,  conventional wisdom says 26 on average.
      16 Thunderbolt TDR9NAIS
      4 Jagermech JM7-D
      4 Cataphract CTF-3D
      4 Archer ARC-8M
      8 Barghest BGS-3T
      8 Crusader CRD-5M

T-Bolts have never been big in the FedSuns till the NAIS model, but even so, I'd still mix it up use some 5S, 5SS, 7E, & 10E
4 Jaggers is good, but I'd mix around models....ditto the Archer count is okay but I'd mix in 2R, 2S, 5S, &/or 4M v/s all 8M models.
8 Crusaders & 4 Cataphracts both could be cut in 1/2 in numbers.
And WAY to many Barghests IMHO.

Medium Mechs = Average 40% = 53 in 132 ....... Right on for averages here.
      20 Enforcer III ENF-6M
      16 Dervish DV-8D
      16 Centurion CN9-D
But lacking in Diversity.
Common FedSuns Mediums not on this list.
Phoenix Hawk - 1, 1D, 3D, 3PL, 6D
Vulcan - 5T, 5S
HatchetMan - 3F, 5S, 6D
Enforcer - 4R, 5D, III-6T
Centurion - 9, 3D/5D ?
Dervish - 6M, 7D, 9D
ShadowHawk-2D, 2D2, 5D
Griffin-1N, 1S, 1DS, 3M
Wolverine-6R, 7D
Seriously, even as common as the Enforcer & Centurion are said to be, I don't think your seeing more than a companies worth in any Regiment.  And likely different models too.

Finally, we come to the Lights,  Only 12 when Average is 40
      4 Ostscout OTT-10CS
      4 Valkyrie VLK-QT2
      4 Osiris OSR-4D
Where to begin.  I'd up your Lights to at least 25+
Seriously, even the biggest battalion should have a lance w/ at least 2 Light Mechs in it for Recon.  Average battalions should have a lance in every company.  The Regimental Group should have another 1-2 light mechs.
The Ostscout needs to be 7J, 7K, or 9S models, not 10CS
Need lots of Valkyries, its the most common FS light.... QA, QD, QD1, QD3.
Osiris is okay but mix together 3D & 4D.
Mostly just need more across the board.
Wasp-1A, 1D, 3W, 1S...
Locust-1V, 1E, 1S, 1M, 3M, 3D, 3S, 5M, & 6M
Commando - 2D, 5S
Spider-5V, 5D
Javelin - 10N, 10F, 10P, 11A, 11B, 11D
WolfHound - 1, 2
FireStarter-H, M, C?


I wont go into the other 2 regiments, over all they should be lighter on average & with more diversity.
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Re: A Federated Suns Battlemech Brigade I designed...
« Reply #27 on: 09 September 2012, 02:00:46 »
Personally I think you need to diversify having lances of the same mech split them up.
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