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Yeah, I'm opening a fresh can of worms, on purpose...

I want to create a new TO&E for whoever has one, or several.

Don't care who, just wanted to know if any survived the Jihad?

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Re: It's 3145ish, are there any official Merc. Warships around?
« Reply #1 on: 11 March 2020, 23:03:36 »
There was only Clan Snords Fredrasa and Wolf's Dragoons' fleet. They are all long gone.

Depends what you call that SSF and that CSJ remnant. Maybe of WoB stuff too. There were some ver odd mystery stuff in the Jihad.

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Re: It's 3145ish, are there any official Merc. Warships around?
« Reply #2 on: 11 March 2020, 23:12:13 »
Clan Snord had a Fredasa?

I recall the Blue Star's capturing one, but I didn't know the Snord's did too.

Did none of the Dragoon's fleet survive?   

For some reason I thought they had 1 left.    I recall them loosing at least 4 of 6.  But don't recall the specifics of all 6.

I think I recall the Falcons getting their's back from the BSI at some point early Jihad?

What is SSF?

Was it ever determined what the CSJ unit's Warship Class was?
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Re: It's 3145ish, are there any official Merc. Warships around?
« Reply #3 on: 12 March 2020, 00:27:09 »
Sorry. You are right. Blue Star Irregular.

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Re: It's 3145ish, are there any official Merc. Warships around?
« Reply #4 on: 12 March 2020, 00:41:52 »
Even the great houses have very few warships, and among the mercenary only Dragoons ever had a warship because of their clans origin - initially they thought that large sized mercenary forces such as themselves may have their own warship, but in fact warship was simply extinct when they are return to inner sphere area so they just keep the warships until the clan invasion.

The only possible way for the mercenary to have a warship on 32th would be:
-A renegade remnant of the destroyed clan that is turned to the mercenary.
-Same as above but a random destroyed periphery nation rather than the clan.
-A part of the random periphery armed force that is somehow choose to work as the mercenary - the most acceptable reason to do is they are mimic Dragoons and want to gather the intelligence of Inner Sphere, or lend their forces for their allies as the 'mercenary' disguise. Although they have not much a reason to have their own warship. Such a precious asset should be stay at home in the dark times of war. So only the most powerful nations that is able to drop one warship and still able to protect the borders at ease, and have more warships remaining, will ever think about to spare one to their proxy force. But if it is possible, then it would be a great asset to protect the whole mercenary forces in the dire times.

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Re: It's 3145ish, are there any official Merc. Warships around?
« Reply #5 on: 12 March 2020, 00:55:05 »
The Fredasa Kerensky's Blues was destroyed in 3069.

The Snords never captured a WarShip - the Aegis-class Hawk-Eye surrendered its DropShips to "Clan Snord," but did not itself become part of the Irregulars.

Five of the six Dragoon WarShips were destroyed over a period of three weeks at the outset of the Jihad, with the last going down over Buckminster in 3070.
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Re: It's 3145ish, are there any official Merc. Warships around?
« Reply #6 on: 12 March 2020, 10:39:47 »
So Herb did a Hellbie?

Covering all bases before moving onto ground units...

*Sigh*

This is why we can't have nice things anymore...

So no one has a ship? Periphery? Anyone other than clans, that is... Republic?

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Re: It's 3145ish, are there any official Merc. Warships around?
« Reply #7 on: 12 March 2020, 11:48:42 »

The Snords never captured a WarShip - the Aegis-class Hawk-Eye surrendered its DropShips to "Clan Snord," but did not itself become part of the Irregulars.

I have a vague recollection that there was a ship at Camelot Command that they were trying to repair, but never succeeded before losing the facility.
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Re: It's 3145ish, are there any official Merc. Warships around?
« Reply #8 on: 12 March 2020, 12:53:08 »
The Republic has a few ships, and the Calderon Protectorate has one, maintained with Sea Fox aid.
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Re: It's 3145ish, are there any official Merc. Warships around?
« Reply #9 on: 12 March 2020, 13:34:26 »
Would the Fidelis be considered mercenary?  They have the Flatus.
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Re: It's 3145ish, are there any official Merc. Warships around?
« Reply #10 on: 12 March 2020, 14:22:24 »
There was only Clan Snords Fredrasa and Wolf's Dragoons' fleet. They are all long gone.

Depends what you call that SSF and that CSJ remnant. Maybe of WoB stuff too. There were some ver odd mystery stuff in the Jihad.

Snords did not have the Fredasa, it belonged to the Blue Star Irregulars.

Closest you came as the OP question was the . . . Medusas?  But they joined the Republic fleet after the Jihad.  Mercs will have pocket warships, but not full on . . .

The effort to purge them was pretty transparent and unsurprisingly successful.
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Re: It's 3145ish, are there any official Merc. Warships around?
« Reply #11 on: 12 March 2020, 17:04:52 »

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Re: It's 3145ish, are there any official Merc. Warships around?
« Reply #12 on: 12 March 2020, 18:29:14 »
The Taurian have one: TCS Vendetta... or the Redemption as I think it was renamed

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« Reply #13 on: 12 March 2020, 19:11:04 »
I have a vague recollection that there was a ship at Camelot Command that they were trying to repair, but never succeeded before losing the facility.

The original battlespace sourcebook mentioned that Snords Irregulars were attempting to assemble a Black Lion at Camelot Command, though it was never followed up up. It's reasonable to assume that in universe it was just too big of a job for them to accomplish.

The Taurian have one: TCS Vendetta... or the Redemption as I think it was renamed

Technically under the control of the Calderon Protectorate, with a multinational crew of both Davion and Protectorate personnel to avoid misuse.

So no one has a ship? Periphery? Anyone other than clans, that is... Republic?

All of the great houses had at least one WarShip (Davion might have lost its last ships during the recent offensive). The Republic has three ships (plus the Fidelis have the Flatulence).
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Re: It's 3145ish, are there any official Merc. Warships around?
« Reply #14 on: 12 March 2020, 19:50:30 »
Huh?

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And it was a ploy to gonard you out of retirement, you seemed in a funk lately.

Anyways, my "Herb did a Hellbie." statement was in a jest of how you rolled up neatly the warship situation without leaving any around. Since Hellbie rolls very badly on most games, he has a few good ones every now and then, it means you "rolled" snake eyes...

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« Reply #15 on: 13 March 2020, 11:35:31 »
He lives...

And it was a ploy to gonard you out of retirement, you seemed in a funk lately.

Nice to see someone cares.

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Anyways, my "Herb did a Hellbie." statement was in a jest of how you rolled up neatly the warship situation without leaving any around. Since Hellbie rolls very badly on most games, he has a few good ones every now and then, it means you "rolled" snake eyes...

See, my understanding is that Hellbie rolls are unwanted outcomes. In my case, destroying all WarShip navies and taking ALL WarShips from the mercs was, by no means, unwanted.  8)

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« Reply #16 on: 13 March 2020, 18:16:34 »
Glad to see you Herb, I would like to see you around more often, but that is a decision that is best left up to you to decide.

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« Reply #17 on: 14 March 2020, 16:32:28 »
Nice to see someone cares.

See, my understanding is that Hellbie rolls are unwanted outcomes. In my case, destroying all WarShip navies and taking ALL WarShips from the mercs was, by no means, unwanted.  8)

- Herb

I think a bunch of us do care.

And I also think that a certain subset of players didn't want to lose their warships... but that did help keep our big stompy mechs at the forefront.

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« Reply #18 on: 15 March 2020, 22:08:27 »
destroying all WarShip navies and taking ALL WarShips from the mercs was, by no means, unwanted.  8)

I want to, I really do... but...... you make it SO HARD to like you  :)

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« Reply #19 on: 16 March 2020, 10:08:05 »
I want to, I really do... but...... you make it SO HARD to like you  :)

My ex-wife would probably agree with that assessment.

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« Reply #20 on: 18 March 2020, 08:03:26 »
Overhead , maintenance  , trained crew for rotation  . Just do not see it .

Starlord Jump ship with 4 pocket warships a CV dropship and Excaliber in mercenary  hands sure . But the powers that be would  object to even that . Not that they could easily  prevent  it . The first who tried would guarantee that all their enemies  would hire them to go after them supplying them with the above so long as it is not their national troops going home in body bags. 

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« Reply #21 on: 18 March 2020, 08:42:01 »
Shoot, a Tramp with an Avenger, a Leopard CV and a Union back in the day is the same...

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« Reply #22 on: 22 April 2020, 04:09:37 »
See, my understanding is that Hellbie rolls are unwanted outcomes. In my case, destroying all WarShip navies and taking ALL WarShips from the mercs was, by no means, unwanted.  8)

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Re: It's 3145ish, are there any official Merc. Warships around?
« Reply #23 on: 22 April 2020, 22:42:19 »
In full agreement. Give mercs a warship some atrocities are going to happen!! :beer:

And yet, I can't recall a single instance of the Blue Stars or the Dragoons committing atrocities w/ their warships, or at all really.

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« Reply #24 on: 23 April 2020, 14:58:01 »
Depends on the Mercs: Blue Stars are SLDF in principle and theirs was mostly broken. The Dragoons ended up using theirs against the WoB and as shows of force so nothing like Joshua Wolf and the Dragoon dependents would happen again.

If Burr’s Black Cobras or Wayne’s Waco’s had a Warship that’s a different story entirely. Expect Succession War levels of atrocities there.

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« Reply #25 on: 23 April 2020, 15:11:52 »
Are any of those less-than-reputable units even big enough? As a random pull-figures-out-of-my-butt, let's assume that no merc unit could possibly have the resources or personnel to operate any kind of WarShip for any length of time unless they were already a multi-regimental force.
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« Reply #26 on: 23 April 2020, 15:27:17 »
Interstellar Expeditions had a WarShip.  It was a Bug-Eye, but it was a WarShip.  It got chewed up and the remains spit out by the Diamond Sharks, but it was a WarShip.
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« Reply #27 on: 23 April 2020, 16:19:48 »
Are any of those less-than-reputable units even big enough? As a random pull-figures-out-of-my-butt, let's assume that no merc unit could possibly have the resources or personnel to operate any kind of WarShip for any length of time unless they were already a multi-regimental force.

Eh . . . the Medusas . . . for most mercs, like IRL 'private security' its about scooping up the ex-service personnel.
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« Reply #28 on: 23 April 2020, 16:24:43 »
Yeah, just don't mind that new team that's scary-competent, has near perfect records, and has an affinity for robes...
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« Reply #29 on: 23 April 2020, 18:32:35 »
Are any of those less-than-reputable units even big enough? As a random pull-figures-out-of-my-butt, let's assume that no merc unit could possibly have the resources or personnel to operate any kind of WarShip for any length of time unless they were already a multi-regimental force.

Yeah maybe the Multi-Regimental ones could like the ELH, maybe they’d contract out that group on Outreach that were tech wizards (Battle Magic?), maybe the group would hire a bunch of ex-Clanners ... but yeah very few units overall.

 

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