Tell me about...the CMT-6T Troika

[Alan Grant]

The CMT-6T Troika. Has a 4 ton BA bay. Lots of rockets and small variable speed lasers.

So I'm guessing this thing is designed to be a shuttle?

Would love to hear thoughts on strategies for using that 4 ton bay. As well as what other roles it can viably serve with that kinda weird looking weapons loadout.

[mbear]

If my memory isn't failing me, there's an OmniFighter configuration that also has an infantry bay. I think these configurations are used to quickly deliver a squad of battle armor in an area and then sticks around to provide Close Air Support for the squad. For example, a squad of battle armor is dropped off next to an attacking pirate force and spots for ASF attacks. Or, as you suggested, the Troika quickly intercepts a pirate JumpShip and deploys battle armor marines for a boarding action, then engages any other pirate aerospace assets.

And yes, basically this means you can bomb the enemy with battle armor. ;)

Edit: Similarly there's the Seleucus DropShip from TRO:3145 Free Worlds League with an eighty (80) ton battle armor bay. It basically does the same thing as the Troika-6T, but with an entire company of battle armor.

[Darkwing]

I think the fighter you are remembering was the Kirghiz from the 3055 TRO. One of the variants was an elemental carrier with a UAC 20 and a brace of ER PPC's.

[Kit deSummersville]

Well, if the Taurian's are using it they could drop some Special Asteroid Support Force troopers in the asteroid fields, swing in for an attack with the Heavy PPCs then retreat back to let the troopers hit whoever is tailing them while using their VSPLs in the tight quarters.

[Patton1945]

There's a guy who claims to have submitted that fighter who posts on a different site.  His claim was that he submitted the fighter with 4, 1 ton compartments instead of a single 4ton compartments.  This was done so that weird shenanigans with alternate BA and cargos couldn't occur. (It's listed as a 4-ton infantry compartment on sarna, not BA compartments)  I'm not sure how much that would change the design usage.

He pointed out that the irony of the fighter was that the MOC doesn't have jump capable battle armor, which is required to use this design to the fullest.

When we use the fighter in our games, it drops off a BA squad and then finds the biggest, nearest threat to it's BA and strikes it with the full RL complement and the HPPC, then usually leaves the battlefield.  As an airborne troop taxi that can support it's cargo, it works pretty well.

[grimlock1]

I think the fighter you are remembering was the Kirghiz from the 3055 TRO. One of the variants was an elemental carrier with a UAC 20 and a brace of ER PPC's.

Always wondered what the rules for using that thing would be.  Just treat the elementals as per combat drop rules?

[glitterboy2098]

There's a guy who claims to have submitted that fighter who posts on a different site.  His claim was that he submitted the fighter with 4, 1 ton compartments instead of a single 4ton compartments.  This was done so that weird shenanigans with alternate BA and cargos couldn't occur. (It's listed as a 4-ton infantry compartment on sarna, not BA compartments)  I'm not sure how much that would change the design usage.

He pointed out that the irony of the fighter was that the MOC doesn't have jump capable battle armor, which is required to use this design to the fullest.

sounds like someone blowing sunshine to me. we don't even have rules for building something how the guy is claiming. (cargo is always tracked as a single entry, and even if we did, we don't have rules for single BA units, so four 1ton bays would be unusable)

also at the time all three of the factions involved still had access to the IS Standard Suit, which has a 90meter jump distance.

[Patton1945]

sounds like someone blowing sunshine to me. we don't even have rules for building something how the guy is claiming. (cargo is always tracked as a single entry, and even if we did, we don't have rules for single BA units, so four 1ton bays would be unusable)

also at the time all three of the factions involved still had access to the IS Standard Suit, which has a 90meter jump distance.

I was wondering.  Here's what he showed us.

www.mediafire.com/file/wcwudc2wxnthe12/CMT-6T_Troika.txt

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[Weirdo]

Always wondered what the rules for using that thing would be.  Just treat the elementals as per combat drop rules?

Stuff like this is what the combat drop rules are designed for, so yeah.

There's a guy who claims to have submitted that fighter who posts on a different site.  His claim was that he submitted the fighter with 4, 1 ton compartments instead of a single 4ton compartments.  This was done so that weird shenanigans with alternate BA and cargos couldn't occur. (It's listed as a 4-ton infantry compartment on sarna, not BA compartments)  I'm not sure how much that would change the design usage.

People who might be tapped to design official units spend as little time as possible in the Fan Designs forum for exactly this reason, so nobody can claim that CGL ripped off their design. They also tend to be pretty professional folks if they're trusted that much, so you can rest easy that a Beemer-toter that does go down there isn't going to be yoinking ideas. This is also why we don't allow posting of custom designs on other parts of the forum, though admittedly that's not the most strictly enforced of rules.

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They go away after ten posts or so. Welcome to the forums! :)

[Scotty]

I was wondering.  Here's what he showed us.

www.mediafire.com/file/wcwudc2wxnthe12/CMT-6T_Troika.txt

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The Taurians had access to the IS Standard, Gray Death Scout, and Purifier (at minimum) when the Troika 6T rolled out.

[Maelwys]

Amusingly the Taurians don't have access to the 6T...

But the MoC did have access to the IS Standard, so they had access to Jump Capable BA as well.

[glitterboy2098]

people tend to forget about those basic models, since the faction designs get more attention in the fiction.

honestly, the main thing that Troika did was give the in universe impetus for what would become the Yùn which does the BA insertion job better, IMO. thanks to its high speed and stealth, and the lack of armor and firepower that would make the pilot forget his job is to be a BA battle taxi.

though i suspect the Troika could pull double duty as a sorta bomber if you gave it the bomb bay quirk.

[Weirdo]

It's already a bomber. :)

[glitterboy2098]

being able to carry a quartet of bombs with no thrust penalty, or an extra 4 ontop of the normal external load, makes it a better one. :)

[grimlock1]

Aside from Kirghiz C and this Troika variant, are there any other aerofighters that can bring Toads to the fight?

[glitterboy2098]

Aside from Kirghiz C and this Troika variant, are there any other aerofighters that can bring Toads to the fight?

the Yùn i mentioned earlier. can't think of any others

[Maelwys]

The Yun being from FM3145 CapCon, and being a 40 ton fighter with a 4 ton bay and stealth armor.

[Scotty]

the Yùn i mentioned earlier. can't think of any others

That's the entire list.

[The_Livewire]

Interesting that the Suns (y'know, the only House with armor that comes with a parafoil) doesn't have a delivery system fighter.

[mbear]

Interesting that the Suns (y'know, the only House with armor that comes with a parafoil) doesn't have a delivery system fighter.

I think they tend to use more VTOLs converted to carry battle armor. Apparently they haven't heard of the Troika yet, but when the Yun starts to ruin their day they'll probably come up with a FS specific design to do the same thing.

[AldanFerrox]

I think they tend to use more VTOLs converted to carry battle armor. Apparently they haven't heard of the Troika yet, but when the Yun starts to ruin their day they'll probably come up with a FS specific design to do the same thing.

They have the Vampire series of DropShips, but these weight 10 (Vampire I and III) or 15 times (Vampire II) more than the Yun.

[Ruger]

Interesting that the Suns (y'know, the only House with armor that comes with a parafoil) doesn't have a delivery system fighter.

The Gray Death Infiltrator medium battle armor also has a parafoil..

Ruger

[mbear]

They have the Vampire series of DropShips, but these weight 10 (Vampire I and III) or 15 times (Vampire II) more than the Yun.

Yup. And once the Suns starts losing DropShips to Capellan boarding parties carried over by the Yun, you'll see the Suns come up with a response. But that response could be something like a NL series battle taxi, so...

[grimlock1]

The Gray Death Infiltrator medium battle armor also has a parafoil..

Ruger

The only rules I can find for parafoils are TO, pg 341, under specialized infantry.  I can't find BA rules. 

[Alan Grant]

Unless I'm mistaken, an ASF delivering boarding parties in space won't have any advantages over a dropship doing the same.

Small craft automatically come with the grappling equipment needed. But fighters and dropships don't.

So either way depositing the marines means jumping out an airlock and hoping to land on the target. Not great.

A dropship at least has the option to dock. Even if that's risking a counter boarding.

[Ruger]

The only rules I can find for parafoils are TO, pg 341, under specialized infantry.  I can't find BA rules.

The TechManual has an entry for BA versions, but says more rules would be in TacOps...but I'm not seeing anything other than what you mention...

Ruger

[Weirdo]

The BADC.

[mbear]

The BADC.

For the acronym impaired, that's Battle Armor Drop Chute.