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IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« on: 07 July 2023, 04:49:36 »


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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #1 on: 07 July 2023, 05:10:49 »
Phoenix Hawk IIC, my guess.
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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #2 on: 07 July 2023, 05:14:05 »
The cockpit port shape and horn immediately bring to mind the Crusader.

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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #3 on: 07 July 2023, 15:55:39 »
The cockpit port shape and horn immediately bring to mind the Crusader.
Agreed, this screams it's a Crud to me.

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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #4 on: 07 July 2023, 16:08:34 »
Arm mounted laser, shoulder mounted missiles, the antenna - yeah, gonna go with Crusader, too.

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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #5 on: 07 July 2023, 19:53:37 »
But don't we already have a Crusader mini out?   And it followed the Re-Seen idea of Wrist mounting the LRMs.

The launchers appear to be a pair of 6-racks in each shoulder?

I've never heard of a Crusader-IIC.

I'm not sure exactly what this is supposed to be.

I mean, Crusader-ish for sure.

The Phoenix Hawk-IIC idea isn't bad if its the 2 or 4 version maybe?

A Crusader that goes for all SRMs?
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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #6 on: 07 July 2023, 21:04:17 »
Does this look close?

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Crusader IIC

Mass: 60 tons
Chassis: Standard Biped
Power Plant: 300 XL
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Jump Jets: Standard
     Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     4 SRM 6
     2 Medium Pulse Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: Non-Canon
Tech Rating/Availability: F/X-X-X-D
Cost: 13,173,760 C-bills

Type: Crusader IIC
Technology Base: Mixed (Standard)
Tonnage: 60
Battle Value: 1,960

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    6
Engine                        300 XL                9.5
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 5
Double Heat Sink              14 [28]                 4
Gyro                                                  3
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor (Ferro)          201                  10.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    3         9     
     Center Torso            20        30   
     Center Torso (rear)               10   
     R/L Torso               14        21   
     R/L Torso (rear)                  7     
     R/L Arm                 10        20   
     R/L Leg                 14        28   


Right Arm Actuators: Shoulder, Upper Arm, Lower Arm, Hand
Left Arm Actuators: Shoulder, Upper Arm, Lower Arm, Hand

Weapons
and Ammo                          Location  Critical   Heat    Tonnage
Double Heat Sink                     LL        2        -       1.0   
Jump Jet                             CT        1        -       1.0   
2 Jump Jet                           RT        2        -       2.0   
CASE                                 RT        0        -       0.0   
Medium Pulse Laser                   RT        1        4       2.0   
SRM 6 Artemis-capable Ammo (30)      RT        2        -       2.0   
2 SRM 6                              LA        2        4       3.0   
2 Artemis IV FCS                     LA        2        -       2.0   
2 Jump Jet                           LT        2        -       2.0   
CASE                                 LT        0        -       0.0   
Medium Pulse Laser                   LT        1        4       2.0   
ECM Suite                            LT        1        -       1.0   
SRM 6 Artemis-capable Ammo (30)      LT        2        -       2.0   
Double Heat Sink                     RL        2        -       1.0   
2 SRM 6                              RA        2        4       3.0   
2 Artemis IV FCS                     RA        2        -       2.0   


Decided against Endo Steel because I wasn't sure what to do with 3 extra tons and not make it overly bloated. Was tempted to make the legs have Armed Components, but that didn't seem very Clan-like to me.

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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #7 on: 08 July 2023, 03:50:54 »
Does this look close?

Very close :D But not quite, and yes the Crusader IIC (standard) is instead a close range brawler instead of a generalist with a missile bent.
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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #8 on: 08 July 2023, 07:09:30 »
IMHO it is a Phoenix Hawk IIC variant (maybe ATM6s instead of SRM6s/SSRM6s).
For being a Crusader IIC I miss missile launchers in the arms. However ...
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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #9 on: 14 July 2023, 03:51:58 »


Ya was right, it is a Crud IIC, a design that started life as a Clan Burrock refit of the old Crusaders they had in their Brian Caches that would go on to be produced by them and then would spread slowly across the Homeworlds and Pentagon Cluster.

Instead of being a generalist trooper the 'Mech would become a fast and agile brawler capable of hitting 86kph and jumping up to 150 meters.

Although the armament is short ranged with 4 x SRM-6, 2 x ER Medium Lasers and 2 x MG's the 'Mech's speed and agility meant it could close the distance quickly to bring its weapons to bare. This also made it a formidable 'bully' of Inner Sphere Medium 'Mechs who couldn't open the range fast enough, as well as Spheroid Heavies who were slower. Clan Diamond Shark would also produce several variants, featuring more advanced technologies.

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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #10 on: 14 July 2023, 12:29:23 »
Nice.

For a new project?
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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #11 on: 14 July 2023, 13:16:14 »
I was wondering what those things on the forearms were, I thought they were targeting units.

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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #12 on: 14 July 2023, 20:01:55 »
Nice can't wait to see the new project.

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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #13 on: 05 August 2023, 04:53:06 »


Whilst the Black Knight sees continued service in the Clans, the Blood Knight of Clan Blood Spirit is a unique 'Mech that is of great importance to the Blood Spirits as a Clan. Piloted by Colleen Schmitt, the Spirits first Khan, during her Clans darker periods, Khan Schmitt would slip into a depressive state and one of the ways she found that helped combat this was through the ongoing customisation of her personal 'Mech, turning it into both a work of art and war.

The 'Mech was also designed to inspire her fellow Blood Spirit Warriors and would form a rallying point or the tip of the sword in many engagements. When Khan Schmitt died in battle at the controls of the Blood Knight the 'Mech was recovered and restored and would be placed in the Spirits Blood Chapel on York to watch over the Clans genetic legacy. Only piloted by the current Khan of the Clan, the Blood Knight, many Spirits believe that the 'Mech somehow inherited part of the first Khan's spirit or even soul and it serves as a totem not for individual units, but the Clan as a whole.

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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #14 on: 05 August 2023, 07:38:47 »
Beautiful! It really juxtaposes the common theme of the Blood Spirits being rather resource poor, but would go out of their way to craft such a masterpiece of art. Armor so polished you'd swear it was Reflective.

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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #15 on: 05 August 2023, 08:08:51 »
Very nice!

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« Reply #16 on: 05 August 2023, 08:20:53 »
Beautiful! It really juxtaposes the common theme of the Blood Spirits being rather resource poor, but would go out of their way to craft such a masterpiece of art. Armor so polished you'd swear it was Reflective.

Meanwhile the Goliath Scorpions are like

"This belongs in our Museum!"

And yeah she would be visually stunning too, blood red with bronzed gold and white, very hard working techs included!
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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #17 on: 19 August 2023, 04:40:25 »
Fantastic !
It seems that among the early Clans the Blood spirits were the Master of "Pimp my Mech"  :wink:

Is this going to be about the Golden Century of the Clans?
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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #18 on: 19 August 2023, 12:09:10 »
Fantastic !
It seems that among the early Clans the Blood spirits were the Master of "Pimp my Mech"  :wink:

Is this going to be about the Golden Century of the Clans?

This 'Mech is from the start of the Clans and is maintained up until the present day, other Black Knight IIC/C's are nowhere near as ornate.
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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #19 on: 02 November 2023, 11:48:36 »


Abeona High Mobility Heavy Load Carrier.

The initial design of the Indra APC - https://cfw.sarna.net/wiki/images/0/0d/Indra.gif?timestamp=20101224135920 was found to be a flawed design with a host of issues from stability to overheating and was quickly redesigned into the current form https://www.deviantart.com/mattplog/art/INDRA-Redraft-967270913 in service with the Clans Touman's.

The original chassis though wasn't completely without merit and in the 3000's the design was repurposed into a vehicle for the Merchant and Worker Caste as well as being able to support the Warrior Caste by carrying supplies on military bases as well as on rough terrain to support larger Trials.

With armour reduced to a mere 2.5 tons and all armament removed the vehicle's protection offers 'adequate' protection against Bandit Caste attacks whilst the simple portal-axel suspension gives it decent cross country performance when needed. Speed depends on the engine, the most common version has a ICE engine with a maximum speed of 56kph whilst the fuel cell version is far less common and has a higher ground speed, capable of hitting 64kph.
Both versions can carry a maximum of 16 tons of cargo and this can be a mix of wet or dry cargo which can be quickly offloaded by the two small cranes which can either be remotely operated from within the cabin or from cabs on the cranes themselves. With a wider wheelbase the stability issues that plagued the original design and made quite a few infantry motion sick is eliminated and the bay area can be swapped out for containerized sections which can be lifted off whole.

The operators of the vehicles do complain about the lack of access on the vehicle and they can only get on through the cab although there is a door which can lead into the cargo bays allowing the driver to walk through if needed, although this can't be done if fully loaded.

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« Reply #20 on: 02 November 2023, 12:07:02 »
It looks very functional and sound very useful.
Nicely done.  :cool:
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« Reply #21 on: 02 November 2023, 16:45:37 »
Very nice

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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #22 on: 03 November 2023, 00:42:09 »
Glad you approve :) Its a relatively boring vehicle but logistics stuff don't get anywhere near the love it should, even in the Clans where depending on the Clanner they don't know how to spell logistics :D I could imagine this thing being modded to carry prisoners and the like as well as each cargo section is sealed, or having a ramp for any passengers to get off etc.
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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #23 on: 03 November 2023, 14:27:53 »


AL-GR-A1 Atalanta

What would evolve into the Atalanta was developed by Majesty Metals and Manufacturing following the discovery of the Helm Memory Core, but massive technical challenges faces the Canopians and whilst they were able to develop the base chassis, outside help was needed.

Step forwards Earthwerks Incorporated, one of the Free Worlds League's largest arms conglomerates and one of the most established producers within the Inner Sphere. With the FWL now of the few states that was benefiting from the Clan Invasion by selling upgrade packs and weapons to the Great Houses facing the existential threat  that was the Clan Invasion.
With a chassis already developed as well as the Canopians looking to field there new 'Mech the initial development cost for the production was already met, all that was needed was weapons and an engine and with the Canopians willing to pay, Earthwerks was more than willing to provide the needed parts. For a price of course.

At its core the 70 ton Atalanta is a Grasshopper heavily reworked and stripped to its skeleton before being reworked to feature Endosteel that was produced locally in the Canopus system. The 350 rated XL engine allows the 'Mech to reach 86kph but the MASC system allows it to hit up just over 100kph for short periods of time.

Armament consists of an imported Gauss Rifle in the right arm as well as an imported ER Large Laser and two Small Pulse Lasers whilst three locally produced Medium Lasers made the 'Mech capable of engaging targets at all ranges.

Although shipping and production delays did mean that whilst the Atalanta, named after a mythic Greek Huntress and warrior, was meant to enter production in 3056, it wasn't until 3059 until the first units were shipped out to formations outside of the Magistry with the FWL purchasing the bulk of the initial batch.

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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #24 on: 03 November 2023, 15:37:45 »
So what's the name for this new project of yours? Does it take place in the Zhukov AU?

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« Reply #25 on: 03 November 2023, 16:07:19 »
No name yet and yes it is within the Zhukov setting :)
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« Reply #26 on: 03 November 2023, 17:03:39 »
Another good one

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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #27 on: 07 February 2024, 14:52:29 »




Meet the Clibanarius a 100 ton Omni Assault 'Mech based on an enlarged and altered Highlander IIC chassis

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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #28 on: 07 February 2024, 14:54:26 »
I love it marauder648! More great work. Keep it coming.  :cool:

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« Reply #29 on: 08 February 2024, 12:03:17 »
I love it marauder648! More great work. Keep it coming.  :cool:

Agreed.
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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #30 on: 08 February 2024, 15:29:08 »
Meanwhile the Goliath Scorpions are like

"This belongs in our Museum!"

And yeah she would be visually stunning too, blood red with bronzed gold and white, very hard working techs included!

That should honestly be the cover….

Agreed.
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This. Although once again I will satirically mock you for monopolizing Plog and his skills lol.

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« Reply #31 on: 08 February 2024, 18:39:35 »
Not quite monopolizing... I've managed to get a few from him as well... :)

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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #32 on: 08 February 2024, 19:10:07 »
Can't wait for that project come out!
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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #33 on: 09 February 2024, 04:48:52 »
No more monopolizing for the current and forseeable future, I'm being let go from work so its a case of moving back home and going from there.
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« Reply #34 on: 09 February 2024, 19:16:01 »
Sorry to hear... best of luck!

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« Reply #35 on: 09 February 2024, 20:13:12 »
Being let go is a terrible experience, but there will always be new possibilities, so my best wishes for you.
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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #36 on: 09 February 2024, 20:25:12 »
That's terrible, hope things work better for you, marauder648.
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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #37 on: 12 February 2024, 13:46:21 »
No more monopolizing for the current and forseeable future, I'm being let go from work so its a case of moving back home and going from there.
Good luck.

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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #38 on: 04 August 2024, 13:35:55 »
My Khan, despite knowledge about the Nova Cat designs coming to our attention the prototype is still performing well and thanks to parts commonality with other designs we believe that the Mech can be put into production without negatively effecting our current production lines or construction plans.



Archon, testing reports from field trials indicate that this new design's feared weapon system integration problems were largely overblown, probably by cautious techs and scientists who don't want to put their heads out too far. Pilots report that they like the weapons mix and the feel of the 'Mech. It could be a good gap filler in our forces and I know there's already some interest from the Mercenary market. I would humbly suggest production be started and the units distributed to notable units for true combat trials before we make any decision on a larger production run.



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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #39 on: 04 August 2024, 13:40:26 »
Excellent first drafts! :)

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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #40 on: 04 August 2024, 14:47:35 »
Very nice!!

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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #41 on: 04 August 2024, 15:34:31 »
First is obviously a Vulcan descendant, 2nd is kinda Centurionish.

Vulcan IIC: Some kind of Ballistic, a Large Laser and a pair of Pulses?

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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #42 on: 04 August 2024, 18:51:06 »
Need to know about that first one, looks amazing!
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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #43 on: 04 August 2024, 23:03:46 »
First is obviously a Vulcan descendant, 2nd is kinda Centurionish.

Vulcan IIC: Some kind of Ballistic, a Large Laser and a pair of Pulses?

Steiner Mech: Gauss, ERPPC, a trio of Lasers and an SRM-4?

The first is actually based, in part on another common Wolf 'mech from the REVIVAL era, albeit with some serious reworking to allow the positioning of its weapons. The second isn't that well armed, its more a skirmisher and line trooper than a heavy hitter like that.
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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #44 on: 05 August 2024, 13:40:59 »


Sir, finally got that gun camera footage of that new Wolf 'Mech, they're calling it the Varkolak, we're still waiting on an 'official' name from on high. A captured Clanner Warrior when asked about it also helped solve something that was throwing us off about it. Under the hood, its a Fenris, they reduced the engine although she'll still do 96kph before engaging MASC, but they share a lot of components, including the same electronics suite. Its why our forward scouts thought they were going to engage a pair of Fenris when they ran into two of these things instead when they picked up the 'Fenris' EW emissions.

Armaments a bit light for a Clanner, large laser, AC and two mediums, but she still packs a wallop and i'm sure we'll see some configs as we run into more of these things. I'll update you as soon as we learn more.


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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #45 on: 05 August 2024, 17:50:26 »
Under the hood, its a Fenris, they reduced the engine although she'll still do 96kph before engaging MASC, but they share a lot of components, including the same electronics suite.
So its a Shadowcat?  Hehe.
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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #46 on: 05 August 2024, 18:45:47 »
At least it has hands! :D

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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #47 on: 05 August 2024, 21:30:05 »
So its a Shadowcat?  Hehe.

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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #48 on: 07 August 2024, 03:10:09 »


Apparently the team at Blackstone Battlemechs are less than happy with our newest venture as they feel it is a direct competitor to their Enfield, and they are correct. We cannot let them corner the market although the Enfield will no doubt sell well in the Federated Suns half of our nation thanks to their mania for autocannons, we've managed to get enough support for the Voltigeur following tests with various frontline units to convince the Procurement board to purchase several runs.

Designed for long duration missions, the 'Mech can support the already popular Enforcer and Centurion type 'Mechs as well as keep up with friendly screening forces, which has always been an issue for these older designs.

Sales projections once we open up the doors to mercenary units are also promising.


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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #49 on: 07 August 2024, 07:55:59 »
So, is the secondary a Large Laser or Snub-nosed PPC? :)

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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #50 on: 07 August 2024, 12:30:45 »
Looks great!

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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #51 on: 07 August 2024, 13:59:04 »
That last picture seems more like a Battle Armor.
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Re: IIC or not IIC, that is the question.
« Reply #52 on: 07 August 2024, 14:00:50 »
Not to me... the legs are wrong for a BA...

 

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