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3050 Iconic Omnis/Mechs by Clan Touman?
« on: 10 December 2021, 10:26:31 »
I am looking to put together my clan force and am wondering what are the go-to omnis and mechs of the 6 initial Clans from Operation REVIVAL  Trying to decide if there are any I should really reach out for to get to where I want thematically with my Binary

Wolf: Timberwolf, Kit Fox(?)

Jade Falcon: Summoner, Hellbringer, Uller, Turkina

Ghost Bear: Executioner, Kodiak, Kingfisher, Dragonfly

Smoke Jaguar: Mad Dog, Warhawk, Conjurer
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Re: 3050 Iconic Omnis/Mechs by Clan Touman?
« Reply #1 on: 10 December 2021, 13:37:20 »
Clan Smoke Jaguar had exclusive production of the Warhawk until their annihilation, so I'd add that to their list.  Other Clans had access to them via salvage.
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Re: 3050 Iconic Omnis/Mechs by Clan Touman?
« Reply #2 on: 10 December 2021, 14:35:46 »
Ghost Bear: Firemoth, Dragonfly, Executioner
Jade Falcon: Kitfox, Hellbringer, Summoner
Smoke Jaguar, Mist Lynx, Ryoken, Warhawk, Direwolf
Wolf: Adder, Ice Ferret, Timberwolf, Gargoyle

I think the Mad Dog is the only 3050 omni with the ubiquitous trait. The Nova is widespread, but rare.
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« Reply #3 on: 10 December 2021, 16:24:22 »
Smoke Jaguar, Mist Lynx, Ryoken, Warhawk, Direwolf

Agreed 100%. Was coming to post this very list.
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Re: 3050 Iconic Omnis/Mechs by Clan Touman?
« Reply #4 on: 10 December 2021, 16:39:48 »
The following is an unscientific collection based on popular perception and from sources like the old Jade Falcon and Wolf phonebooks and the Luthien and Tukayyid scenarios and limiting a Mech (omni and standard) to only one Clan while attempting to provide a range of weight classes and roles. Considered factors include Clan of origin, production rights, proliferation, and gut feeling.


Jade Falcon: Kit Fox, Hellbringer, Summoner (added circa Tukayyid: Fire Falcon, Black Lanner, Night Gyr, Turkina)

Steel Viper: Battle Cobra, Crossbow, Vapor Eagle, Black Python

Wolf: Adder, Ice Ferret, Timber Wolf, Gargoyle, Orion IIC (added circa Tukayyid: Phantom, Pouncer, Linebacker)

Ghost Bear: Fire Moth, Viper, Mad Dog, Executioner, Kingfisher, Kodiak

Smoke Jaguar: Mist Lynx, Stormcrow, Warhawk, Dire Wolf (added circa Luthien: Ebon Jaguar)

Nova Cat: Arctic Cheetah, Shadow Cat, Huntsman, Jenner IIC, Supernova

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Re: 3050 Iconic Omnis/Mechs by Clan Touman?
« Reply #5 on: 10 December 2021, 17:22:49 »
16 TRO3050 Omnis by Clan Usage.

DireWolf -  Common/Jags,   Moderate/Wolves,    Low/Others
Executioner - Bears/Common,  Others/Low
WarHawk - Common/Jaguars     Others/Low
Gargoyle - Common/Wolves          Others/Moderate

Timberwolf - Common/Wolves      Others/Low
Summoner - Falcons/Common     Others/Moderate
Hellbringer - Falcons/Common     Others/Common-Moderate
MadDog -   Jags/Bears - Common   Others - Common/Moderate

Stormcrow - Jags/Common    Others - Moderate/Common
Nova  - Wolves/Moderate      Others/Low
IceFerret  -  Wolves/Common    Others - Moderate/Low
Viper -  Bears/Common          Others - Moderate/Low

Adder - Wolves/Common       Others - Moderate
KitFox - Falcons/Common       Others - Moderate
MistLynx - Jags / Common      Others - Moderate
FireMoth - Bears / Common-Moderate     Others - Moderate/Low
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Re: 3050 Iconic Omnis/Mechs by Clan Touman?
« Reply #6 on: 11 December 2021, 17:53:34 »
My little chart.


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« Reply #7 on: 11 December 2021, 23:47:15 »
I'm now dying to know what the difference is between Square, Dash, Circle (Hollow v/s Filled)
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« Reply #8 on: 12 December 2021, 10:28:18 »
I'm now dying to know what the difference is between Square, Dash, Circle (Hollow v/s Filled)

I'm inferring the following:

Square -- Heavy Use for that faction
Filled Circle --  Common
Empty Circle -- Uncommon
Dash -- Rare
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« Reply #9 on: 12 December 2021, 10:34:33 »
Huh, according to these lists, per the omnis I favor, I'm more of a Wolf / Bear person. (Also the salvage and legendary blind boxes I picked up!   :)))

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« Reply #10 on: 12 December 2021, 12:11:55 »
I'm inferring the following:

Square -- Heavy Use for that faction
Filled Circle --  Common
Empty Circle -- Uncommon
Dash -- Rare
that's how I interpreted his symbols as well

I mostly agree with Bren's chart but I would probably bump up the Dire Wolf to uncommon for the Wolves, the Executioner to uncommon for the Jags, and swap the Fire Moth and Adder on the Bears to common and uncommon respectively
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« Reply #11 on: 12 December 2021, 14:43:20 »
that's how I interpreted his symbols as well

I mostly agree with Bren's chart but I would probably bump up the Dire Wolf to uncommon for the Wolves, the Executioner to uncommon for the Jags, and swap the Fire Moth and Adder on the Bears to common and uncommon respectively

I would agree with those modifications.
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« Reply #12 on: 12 December 2021, 15:22:16 »
Huh, according to these lists, per the omnis I favor, I'm more of a Wolf / Bear person. (Also the salvage and legendary blind boxes I picked up!   :)))

Mine was a mixed bag.

Legend - Marauder

Salvage -  x7-8?
Summoner
Hellbringr  x2
IceFerret  x2
Shadowcat ??
I forget what else but I know I had 2 dupes above.
So a mix of Wolf/Falcon stuff from what I recall.
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Re: 3050 Iconic Omnis/Mechs by Clan Touman?
« Reply #13 on: 12 December 2021, 16:01:21 »
I mostly agree with Bren's chart but I would probably bump up the Dire Wolf to uncommon for the Wolves, the Executioner to uncommon for the Jags, and swap the Fire Moth and Adder on the Bears to common and uncommon respectively

Correct on symbols, sorry forgot a legend.

I'd agree with those modifications based on TRO3050u -- my list being based on the original 1990 book.

EDIT: I see I mixed up the mass/position on the Kit Fox and Adder ...
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Re: 3050 Iconic Omnis/Mechs by Clan Touman?
« Reply #14 on: 13 December 2021, 22:20:53 »
When the Bears took Tokasha, they got Nova, Stormcrow, and Gargoyle lines.

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« Reply #15 on: 13 December 2021, 23:34:22 »
When the Bears took Tokasha, they got Nova, Stormcrow, and Gargoyle lines.
while this is true, they still didn't use those 'Mechs as much as other Clans...they probably used them for trade

the Bears had/have a preference for the specific four of the Executioner, Mad Dog, Viper and Fire Moth
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« Reply #16 on: 14 December 2021, 09:48:51 »
I think the Nova was even discontinued wasn't it?
It was fluffed as Uncommon w/ the Wolves & Rare w/ All Others.

StormCrow production being near everywhere, I don't think its going to be "Uncommon" anywhere.

Gargoyle is favored by the Wolves but its in semi-Common usage among all Invaders + Horses.
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« Reply #17 on: 14 December 2021, 10:04:16 »
Aye.

The Proto Omni Corvid was sold off to the Snow Ravens and the Nova discontinued. The Bears did a lot of retooling at Tokasha, apparently.
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« Reply #18 on: 14 December 2021, 12:48:06 »
StormCrow production being near everywhere, I don't think its going to be "Uncommon" anywhere.

It's amazing that the Clans didn't have an easier time with the invasion considering how good the Stormcrow chassis is.  The Prime is basically a Marauder 3D that moves at 6/9  :D
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« Reply #19 on: 14 December 2021, 13:14:31 »
It's amazing that the Clans didn't have an easier time with the invasion considering how good the Stormcrow chassis is.  The Prime is basically a Marauder 3D that moves at 6/9  :D

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« Reply #20 on: 14 December 2021, 13:25:19 »
Didn't like its asthetics much (its all legs practically), but the Stormcrow was still my go-to 'mech in MW2 on the Playstation.
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« Reply #21 on: 14 December 2021, 16:06:48 »
I would also point out you had other Omnis during the actual Invasion, some of which as reflected by the Kickstarter mech release.  Further, we got a standard mechs for other Clans in Invading Clans SB- like the Bears getting the Kodiak & Grizzly.

Kingfisher- Bears, and lesser degree Jags
Mongrel-  Sharks/Tukayyid
Huntsman- Cats & Sharks/Luthien
Arctic Cheetah- Jaguars
Cauldron Born/Ebon Jaguar- Smoke Jags/Luthien
Lupus- Adder design that was eventually repurposed, Hellfire entry makes them sound still in use
Crossbow-  Vipers with Falcons salvaging
Battle Cobra-  Vipers with Falcons salvaging
Stooping Hawk- Rare but Bears (trade) & Vipers (salvage) possible
Linebacker-  Wolves, end of the Invasion
Phantom-  In WCSB, talks about 'saKhan Ward' which firmly puts it firmly after the Invasion ended
Pouncer- among one cluster in the Wolves, the fat Adder was created by direction of ilKhan Kerensky
Shadow Cat-  Nova Cats, Jaguars, spread to others/Luthien

Standard Mechs
Kodiak-  Bears exclusive
Grizzly-  Bears near exclusive
Glass Spider 2- Wolves
Warhammer IIC 2-  Jaguars
Stone Rhino- perceived as Jaguar
Black Python-  Viper & Falcon w/salvage
Vapor Eagle-  Viper but spread
Jenner IIC-  Nova Cat
Orion IIC- absolute Wolf exclusive, can be found in keshiks & frontline forces at times

Not sure there are too many of the standard mechs that are considered iconic of the Invaders.
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Re: 3050 Iconic Omnis/Mechs by Clan Touman?
« Reply #22 on: 14 December 2021, 19:54:36 »
Not sure there are too many of the standard mechs that are considered iconic of the Invaders.

Hunchback IIc was iconic for all. :)

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« Reply #23 on: 15 December 2021, 01:41:08 »
Not sure there are too many of the standard mechs that are considered iconic of the Invaders.
You left out the Supernova, absolutely iconic of the Nova Cats.

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« Reply #24 on: 15 December 2021, 10:13:28 »
Yeah, I knew there was another standard mech in ICSB but I could not remember it for the life of me.  The Supernova being in Nova Cat frontline forces is interesting for the simple reason that after the LB-10X, the cERLL is about the best utility gun.  Best range brackets and it hits that 10 point damage threshold, the design just pours that on along with decent mobility for an assault.  If the star/trinary is not set out to be a Nova it would IMO be the best follow up to a Omni- of at least what is available at the time.
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« Reply #25 on: 15 December 2021, 10:28:31 »
Hunchback IIc was iconic for all. :)

I'm not sure 3% is "Iconic" for ANY of them, lol.

That said, if I was to give an edge to any clan it would be the Jags who IIRC created it &/or owned the original factory.
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« Reply #26 on: 15 December 2021, 11:31:21 »
Not sure there are too many of the standard mechs that are considered iconic of the Invaders.

I think for the Jade Falcons there would be the Incubus. A Mech that IS analysts had trouble thinking of what this Mech is exactly used for. And maybe the Bane? This Mech was a Mech which was used throughout the Clans

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« Reply #27 on: 15 December 2021, 11:43:04 »
They might be used by the Falcons but they were not sole rights, special use, or even exclusive.  The Wolves even go on to produce a Incubus variant.
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« Reply #28 on: 15 December 2021, 11:45:56 »
I would also point out you had other Omnis during the actual Invasion, some of which as reflected by the Kickstarter mech release.  Further, we got a standard mechs for other Clans in Invading Clans SB- like the Bears getting the Kodiak & Grizzly.

Kingfisher- Bears, and lesser degree Jags
Mongrel-  Sharks/Tukayyid
Huntsman- Cats & Sharks/Luthien
Arctic Cheetah- Jaguars
Cauldron Born/Ebon Jaguar- Smoke Jags/Luthien
Lupus- Adder design that was eventually repurposed, Hellfire entry makes them sound still in use
Crossbow-  Vipers with Falcons salvaging
Battle Cobra-  Vipers with Falcons salvaging
Stooping Hawk- Rare but Bears (trade) & Vipers (salvage) possible
Linebacker-  Wolves, end of the Invasion
Phantom-  In WCSB, talks about 'saKhan Ward' which firmly puts it firmly after the Invasion ended
Pouncer- among one cluster in the Wolves, the fat Adder was created by direction of ilKhan Kerensky
Shadow Cat-  Nova Cats, Jaguars, spread to others/Luthien

Standard Mechs
Kodiak-  Bears exclusive
Grizzly-  Bears near exclusive
Glass Spider 2- Wolves
Warhammer IIC 2-  Jaguars
Stone Rhino- perceived as Jaguar
Black Python-  Viper & Falcon w/salvage
Vapor Eagle-  Viper but spread
Jenner IIC-  Nova Cat
Orion IIC- absolute Wolf exclusive, can be found in keshiks & frontline forces at times

Not sure there are too many of the standard mechs that are considered iconic of the Invaders.
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« Reply #29 on: 15 December 2021, 12:39:51 »
Yes, but if you read the Hellfire entry it leaves it open that it was still in use.  The initial Hellfire prototypes and first conversions were pulled from caches.  Then they pulled in all their Lupus to do the conversions and other Clans followed suit.  You will notice the Woodsman or Coyotl is not on the list because their entries are clear.
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