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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #210 on: 03 October 2017, 04:34:19 »
I read something the other day that summarizes my experience with the two parter perfectly. (If it was from someone here I apologize ) It's the best bit of Mass Effect fanfic that you will ever see. But it doesn't feel like Trek to me.

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« Reply #211 on: 03 October 2017, 05:35:49 »
I think I'll judge the whole series instead of judging three episodes

There are bit of this I don't like there are bits I do

At the moment I'm getting a feeling that this whole series is going to set up Michael as the new commander of Discovery for a series 2 it just seems like all of this is back story just a feeling
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« Reply #212 on: 03 October 2017, 11:10:07 »
I think I'll judge the whole series instead of judging three episodes

There are bit of this I don't like there are bits I do

At the moment I'm getting a feeling that this whole series is going to set up Michael as the new commander of Discovery for a series 2 it just seems like all of this is back story just a feeling

I'm sure there would be several of us who would be willing to do so, if it didn't mean having to fork over extra money above and beyond what we're currently paying for television service in order to have the opportunity to judge whether we like the show, or feel it's crap.

Personally, from what I've heard of the three episodes released thus far, I'm not inclined to spend the money to watch something that will make me want to fling a bat'leth at my TV.
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« Reply #213 on: 03 October 2017, 11:18:51 »
You have a bat'leth O0

I'm sure it'll end up on US Netflix let's be honest anyone who has compared the two knows the US version is way superior
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« Reply #214 on: 03 October 2017, 11:32:20 »
You have a bat'leth O0

Not at present.  I threw it through my TV when they cancelled Enterprise.

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I'm sure it'll end up on US Netflix let's be honest anyone who has compared the two knows the US version is way superior

Nope.  Entire purpose of this is to force subscribers to CBS All Access, for the goal of forcing higher negotiation prices with Netflix and Amazon for streaming other CBS shows.
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« Reply #215 on: 03 October 2017, 12:21:34 »
I do suspect that either way this will result in a win for CBS.

Either they'll get their increased revenue from Amazon, Netflix, and any other streaming services they wish or they'll get enough people subscribed that they can just make a go at having their own streaming service.

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« Reply #216 on: 03 October 2017, 12:22:21 »
Nope.  Entire purpose of this is to force subscribers to CBS All Access, for the goal of forcing higher negotiation prices with Netflix and Amazon for streaming other CBS shows.

Yeah, but if CBS All Access fails, which seems likely if they don't have any other shows to bring people in, then Netflix is likely to end up with Discovery (of course, there's also a high probability that Discovery will be canned, as well).
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« Reply #217 on: 03 October 2017, 12:40:15 »
From people I know who've seen it, it looks like a running theme is going to be an exploration of morality over pragmatism, the 'soul' of Star Fleet, so to speak. Is Star Fleet a military organization at heart, or is it the science and exploration fleet they've always stated they are? Hawks or Doves? They've touched on this before, but they've never really explored that question at great depth.

As is, the Discovery is NCC-1031.  I doubt that's a coincidence.

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« Reply #218 on: 03 October 2017, 13:09:22 »
Tom Paris on the Voyager was a special case.  Just like Chakotay and B'Elanna Torres, they were used by the Captain because they ship was in an emergency situation, possibly permanently out of contact with the Federation, and IIRC short handed.  None of those three would have been put into positions of authority on the ship in normal situations by any sane military organization. 

This far, Burnham looks to be the same sort of special case as Paris was nominally in at the start of Voyager.  And unless the cut of the episode on CBS all-access is majorly different from the one on Netflix outside the US, Brunham isn't in a position of authority.
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« Reply #219 on: 03 October 2017, 13:18:15 »


As is, the Discovery is NCC-1031.  I doubt that's a coincidence.

I did not notice that - fun
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« Reply #220 on: 03 October 2017, 13:58:31 »
I thought I read somewhere that CBS will eventually pull all of the Star Trek shows from US NetFlix?

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« Reply #221 on: 03 October 2017, 14:06:32 »
Yeah, but if CBS All Access fails, which seems likely if they don't have any other shows to bring people in, then Netflix is likely to end up with Discovery (of course, there's also a high probability that Discovery will be canned, as well).

CBS All Access had 2 million subscribers before Discovery came out - and had increased by half a million in the last 6 months.

So they have plenty of other legs to stand on.

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« Reply #222 on: 03 October 2017, 14:15:25 »
one thing to remember is according to the information I remember the constitution class was officially a heavy cruiser, the excelsior class was a battleship, and I am not exactly sure what the galaxy class was actually defined as.

Starfleet has always been to me a cross between a paramilitary force, and a full up military, and that "confusion" is reflected at various levels throughout the entire universe.

now nominally most of the main line vessels that were stars of their respective series were tasked with exploration missions, they usually had enough weapons to defend themselves just fine thank you if the "natives were restless/nasty" but they weren't intended as front line combatants until the defiant.
the difference is actually rather significant, were the federation ships armed heavily enough to qualify as warships? I would tend to say definitely, but they weren't typically "true warships" in the sense that everything about them was dedicated to getting the most offensive and defensive capability possible crammed into the smallest package that can do the job.... until the defiant in TNG/DS9 when the "warmongers" got a loud enough voice to be listened to after the borg incidents such as wolf 359.

thinking about the various shows and the ships "intent"  enterprise first warp 5 ship for earth, explore the neighborhood and push back the frontier.

TOS constitution class, explore, the region, push back the frontier, do some "policeing" duties when you run into known hostile powers, (sort of cowboys/western in space)

TNG pretty much the same as TOS as duties, just given a bigger stick, due to the more hostile threats possible in the era, kind of added the whole Calvary coming to the rescue...

DS9 outpost on the edge of the frontier, hold the fort, and work to provide stability to the region while the government figures out what they can/ want to do in the area.

Voyager,  craft intended for local patrols got thrown across the galaxy and....

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« Reply #223 on: 03 October 2017, 14:19:31 »
Ignoring Abramsverse the other series where UFP is present (in the universe timeline - after Enterprise) the Federation ships were supposed to be a sort of pacekeeping/exploratory ships but only with self defense capabilities (some classes better at it while others worse). Starting with DS9 where for the first time the Federation is at war in decades the design philosophy changed (after the defeat at Wolf 359 - hence the Defiant class) to give better warmongering capabilities and attacking foes instead of a defending attitude (and IIRC this is mentioned by a couple of characters in one of the SITREPs when the Defiant is introduced in the show).

Look up the Cardassian War. It was a simmering conflict going on for 30 (50?) Years before they finally reached some sort of  agreement in Season 5 or 6 of the Next Generation. The Federation was at war. The Borg and then the Dominion were the reasons why Star Fleet needed both powerful and cheep ships that could do what they did in large numbers.

I'm surprised we didn't get to see whole squadrons of the things by the end of DS9.

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« Reply #224 on: 03 October 2017, 14:26:26 »
I have this theory that the Federation/Cardassian war was incredibly one-sided and Starfleet didn't need a massive military presence to keep them at bay.
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« Reply #225 on: 03 October 2017, 14:29:08 »
The Galaxy-Class was an Explorer-type ship, as per the TNG technical manual.




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« Reply #226 on: 03 October 2017, 14:45:50 »
My favorite classification is the (very non-canon) one for the Sovereign: Enhanced Deterrence Explorer. ;D
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« Reply #227 on: 03 October 2017, 15:03:19 »
The Federation always said they are not for war but for peace. Its hard to be peaceful when you have "warships" to everyone that wasn't the Federation they knew there ships were Warships.
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« Reply #228 on: 03 October 2017, 15:10:05 »
Yeah, but if CBS All Access fails, which seems likely if they don't have any other shows to bring people in, then Netflix is likely to end up with Discovery (of course, there's also a high probability that Discovery will be canned, as well).

I wouldn't bet on All Access failing any time soon.

And they are bringing other original shows to All Access. The one that looks most interesting to me is a drama about this guy.

I thought I read somewhere that CBS will eventually pull all of the Star Trek shows from US NetFlix?

I haven't heard that but it wouldn't surprise me at all if they did so. There's really little benefit to them leaving those shows at Netflix if they are going to be running their own streaming service.

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« Reply #229 on: 03 October 2017, 15:22:10 »
I do suspect that either way this will result in a win for CBS.

Either they'll get their increased revenue from Amazon, Netflix, and any other streaming services they wish or they'll get enough people subscribed that they can just make a go at having their own streaming service.
Or STD will tank due to lack of viewers. 

CBS All Access had 2 million subscribers before Discovery came out - and had increased by half a million in the last 6 months.

So they have plenty of other legs to stand on.
And they spent how many tens of millions in production costs on a season of STD to generate that 1/2 million extra subscribers? 
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« Reply #230 on: 03 October 2017, 15:28:44 »
I have this theory that the Federation/Cardassian war was incredibly one-sided and Starfleet didn't need a massive military presence to keep them at bay.

Mine is that it's given in "galactic standard" years so was really only 3 months.

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« Reply #231 on: 03 October 2017, 15:42:33 »
And they are bringing other original shows to All Access. The one that looks most interesting to me is a drama about this guy.


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« Reply #232 on: 03 October 2017, 15:56:50 »
Or STD will tank due to lack of viewers. 
And they spent how many tens of millions in production costs on a season of STD to generate that 1/2 million extra subscribers?
That half million increase was from february to august when they hit 2million, long before STD premiered. How much has been added since then is unknown.

They've only said that the first episode og STD. had the largest ever single day signup for the service - the previous being during the Grammys.

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« Reply #233 on: 03 October 2017, 16:05:24 »
Considering that from what I am reading just the Netflix deal has already paid for ST:D it wouldn't take much for CBS All Access to pay off for CBS.

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« Reply #234 on: 03 October 2017, 16:29:45 »
This is just a random thought, but I kind of wish they'd named the show something else: ST:D is rather... unfortunate...

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« Reply #235 on: 03 October 2017, 16:35:08 »
Look up the Cardassian War. It was a simmering conflict going on for 30 (50?) Years before they finally reached some sort of  agreement in Season 5 or 6 of the Next Generation. The Federation was at war. The Borg and then the Dominion were the reasons why Star Fleet needed both powerful and cheep ships that could do what they did in large numbers.

I'm surprised we didn't get to see whole squadrons of the things by the end of DS9.

30 years (give or take - from 2347-2350s and up until 2360s in a "hot" cold war) according to http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Federation-Cardassian_War.

It wasnt considered a "serious" war for the Federation. It was "only" a border war so it was thought that what Federation had was enough to held the enemy at bay and forcing it to accept an armistice. For reference the Battle of Wolf 359 was on 2367 and the Dominion War started on 2373.

EDIT = the writers of the shows/books had too much liberty to make up stuff and didnt care for a logical progression of the Federation war time effectiveness... I think...
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« Reply #236 on: 03 October 2017, 16:54:00 »
This is just a random thought, but I kind of wish they'd named the show something else: ST:D is rather... unfortunate...

The official abbreviation is DSC, though Memory Alpha and other fan sites are using DIS for consistency with VOY and ENT
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« Reply #237 on: 03 October 2017, 18:00:16 »
one thing to remember is according to the information I remember the constitution class was officially a heavy cruiser, the excelsior class was a battleship, and I am not exactly sure what the galaxy class was actually defined as.

You appear to be thinking in terms of the old FASA RPG. In the various series, I believe both the Constitution and Excelsior classes were deemed heavy cruisers (of their time periods...as was the Ambassador-class for the Enterprise-C). The Galaxy class were defined as "Explorers"...

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« Reply #238 on: 03 October 2017, 18:42:46 »
You appear to be thinking in terms of the old FASA RPG. In the various series, I believe both the Constitution and Excelsior classes were deemed heavy cruisers (of their time periods...as was the Ambassador-class for the Enterprise-C). The Galaxy class were defined as "Explorers"...

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« Reply #239 on: 03 October 2017, 19:02:39 »
The Fed Cardassian war, was a war, but never a full scale the Federation is in Danger war. The Federation had a huge advantage in the Space front. A Nebula class was more then enough to cause problems for the Cardies. The Federation never took it to them like a invasion, attacked huge sectors, core worlds, and beyond.
As ships got replaced then the classification changed. The Excelsior was a Battleship at one point then turned into just a cruiser.
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