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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #360 on: 19 October 2017, 18:15:12 »
Do we know that they were the same model of Bird of Prey?  I thought there were newer, updated Birds used in TNG.

That's the official explanation, but it's never stated in any show
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #361 on: 19 October 2017, 18:23:51 »
"Rascals" names the smaller, older ships "B'Rel" class, while "Yesterday's Enterprise" names the bigger (but visually identical) version the "K'Vort" class.  (In actuality, the same effects shots were re-used in both episodes.)

Scale-wise, though, several critics have pointed out that the size of the "Bounty" "B'Rel" in "The Voyage Home" is inconsistent throughout the movie, appearing compact (relative to the crew seen walking up the boarding ramp) in the model shots on Vulcan, but massive compared to the whaling vessel later on.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #362 on: 19 October 2017, 19:02:22 »
OK, so on the off-chance you return to the thread, detailed reasons why that video doesn't hold water for me:

They change the context of the shot by reframing it.  In Discovery, the nuD7 is too large to fit in the shot, it's overwhelming the tiny shuttle and we never get a good look at it.  Here, every single shot shows the full extent of an OG D7.  It's not a valid comparison from a cinematographic point of view.

On that same note, they decide to go from the shuttle being below the D7's stardrive section and drawn into its middle by the tractor beam, to the tractor pulling the shuttle forward and in front of the ship.  So not only do they change the framing, that actually change the action of the scene, which is intellectually dishonest.

Assuming they measured the length of the shuttle and used it to extrapolate how big an OG D7 was by comparison, they best they've proven is that they changed the size of the ship.  And OK, that's a change that's arguably unnecessary, but find me an episode of Trek that explains why the crew complement of a Bird of Prey changes between Search for Spock and TNG?

I'm perfectly willing to admit when I'm wrong. Got a better view of the ship that may or may not be a D7?
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #363 on: 19 October 2017, 20:30:15 »
I hope that it isn't a true D7 battlecruiser. Maybe a actual D6 battlecruiser.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #364 on: 19 October 2017, 22:38:56 »
To be honest, it's not like Star Trek has a good record when it comes to consistency.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #365 on: 20 October 2017, 00:52:12 »
I'm perfectly willing to admit when I'm wrong. Got a better view of the ship that may or may not be a D7?

No, because we don't have a shot of the whole ship yet.   Now for all we know the parts of the ship that were off screen were a duck and a pair of frying pans, but even then I don't see how the D7 having a duck for a front section makes this show bad.  If you don't like the design when and if we see the whole thing, the original D7 is still over there, and something tells me they won't stop making merch out of it, or using it in other shows and movies if the producers of said hypothetical shows or movie want to.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #366 on: 20 October 2017, 06:35:39 »
I hope that it isn't a true D7 battlecruiser. Maybe a actual D6 battlecruiser.
In a clip, i thought the computer said "Klingon D7 Class Battlecruiser".
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #367 on: 20 October 2017, 06:56:13 »
In a clip, i thought the computer said "Klingon D7 Class Battlecruiser".
It did.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #368 on: 20 October 2017, 10:11:38 »
I'm following Weirdo out the door too.  The Shark has been jumped, my interest in seeing anything more from "Star Trek" has been cured.  This is what they've done with it, fine...whatever. 
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #369 on: 20 October 2017, 22:45:03 »
Another one that is going to join Weirdo fellowship... the more I see this Star Trek the less I like it...

The only thing its still keeping me interested (by a thread) is to see where theyre going with this whole jump drive tech... which is never spoken of in "the future" timeline... (a.k.a. past shows).
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« Reply #370 on: 21 October 2017, 02:59:13 »
I'm guessing that they either discover that it poses a threat to the integrity of reality or it gets sabotaged by some sort of quantum fungicide.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #371 on: 21 October 2017, 03:16:34 »
Or the whole powered by the soul of a forsaken child thing...
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #372 on: 21 October 2017, 03:25:33 »
Or there is a mis-jump and the Discovery is lost and Star Fleet gives up on the tech...

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #373 on: 21 October 2017, 06:50:39 »
Or there is a mis-jump and the Discovery is lost and Star Fleet gives up on the tech...
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #374 on: 21 October 2017, 10:28:53 »
Or there is a mis-jump and the Discovery is lost and Star Fleet gives up on the tech...

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #375 on: 21 October 2017, 10:39:53 »
Its possible that the misjump maybe method of removing a unknown the ship and unknown drive from the time line until further events.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #376 on: 21 October 2017, 11:37:34 »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS8NbY-FYyo

A bit more footage of the ship. Weirdo, yeah they done...insert your favorite F word here.. it up.
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« Reply #377 on: 21 October 2017, 16:12:53 »
That is WAY to long for me to watch on silent(which is the only way I can watch YouTube in peace). When do they actually show the whole thing?
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« Reply #378 on: 21 October 2017, 16:16:46 »
7:15 is the first time...

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« Reply #379 on: 21 October 2017, 17:01:48 »
That is WAY to long for me to watch on silent(which is the only way I can watch YouTube in peace). When do they actually show the whole thing?
2:34 for the first showing of the above and rear quarter
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« Reply #380 on: 21 October 2017, 18:36:56 »
I will agree with that one dude that the classic D-7 is "by far one of the most iconic ships from Star Trek" but his opinion lost all legitimacy with me when he continued by calling it "one of the most mean and aggressive-looking ships". Anyone who looks at a classic D-7 and sees mean and aggressive must live in a fluffy bunny world where everything is sweetness and light. That is the least mean-looking ship even in TOS, let alone the entirety of Trek.

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« Reply #381 on: 21 October 2017, 18:53:26 »
I will agree with that one dude that the classic D-7 is "by far one of the most iconic ships from Star Trek" but his opinion lost all legitimacy with me when he continued by calling it "one of the most mean and aggressive-looking ships". Anyone who looks at a classic D-7 and sees mean and aggressive must live in a fluffy bunny world where everything is sweetness and light. That is the least mean-looking ship even in TOS, let alone the entirety of Trek.

??? There were not that many ships shown on screen in TOS...let's see...Constitution-class, Romulan Bird of Prey, the First Federation sphere (of spheres) ship, the Tholian webspinner ship (and variations thereof), and the Klingon D7 (and the Romulan Stormbird version thereof)...that's all that come to mind for me from the actual original series...the animated series adds a few more, and then the Miranda-class, Excelsior-class, Oberth-class, Klingon Bird of Prey and K't'inga (which is just a variant of the D7 really) from the movies...

Which do you consider meaner looking than the D7 in TOS? I could maybe see the Webspinner or the Klingon Bird of Prey, but I don't see the others as meaner (and note, I am lumping the D7 and the K't'inga together as one design, as the latter is basically just an upgraded D7)...

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #382 on: 21 October 2017, 18:54:59 »
I love the detail the old FASA books added to the ships.  I owned all the books.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #383 on: 21 October 2017, 19:03:22 »
I will agree with that one dude that the classic D-7 is "by far one of the most iconic ships from Star Trek" but his opinion lost all legitimacy with me when he continued by calling it "one of the most mean and aggressive-looking ships". Anyone who looks at a classic D-7 and sees mean and aggressive must live in a fluffy bunny world where everything is sweetness and light. That is the least mean-looking ship even in TOS, let alone the entirety of Trek.

Um, I agree with him. It and the Romulan Warbird are the two most aggressive looking ships in TOS. Granted, as Rugar mentions above, there isn't really much to compare it to. The way the secondary hull flares out behind the command section has always reminded me a hawk swooping down on its prey with its wings spread out behind it.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #384 on: 22 October 2017, 01:13:19 »
Sorry for coming late to this chat, but what does STD's D-7 look like?  Is it that rather bulky looking thing or the one that looks like a rack of ribs that's been folded over?
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« Reply #385 on: 22 October 2017, 02:22:31 »
Sorry for coming late to this chat, but what does STD's D-7 look like?  Is it that rather bulky looking thing or the one that looks like a rack of ribs that's been folded over?

If the Trekyards people are correct in their speculation, it looks a bit like a Star Destroyer, but there has not been a clear shot of the ship in the show yet.
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« Reply #386 on: 22 October 2017, 02:39:34 »
If the Trekyards people are correct in their speculation, it looks a bit like a Star Destroyer, but there has not been a clear shot of the ship in the show yet.



I thought it (the D7 analogue) was the one 2nd on the left from Tkuvma's ship, they had a twin pod like arrangement and a neck/bridge section that kind of looked like a Klingon vessel, but instead the body is nestled between the two big side pods.  The one above Tkuvma's flagship, the big bent down one I thought was the show's B'rel analogue as its small and agile.
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« Reply #387 on: 22 October 2017, 04:00:42 »
To me the Klingon Ships look more like Romulan ships to me. With the birdwings and design. IMO.
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« Reply #388 on: 22 October 2017, 04:17:48 »
 
To me the Klingon Ships look more like Romulan ships to me. With the birdwings and design. IMO.

Apparently they were going to use Romulans as the antagonists in Discovery but changed direction during pre-production.  But even that's not an original decision to Discovery: The original plan for Search for Spock was that the antagonists would be Romulans rather than Klingons, and the ship being a Bird of Prey is a holdover from before that changed.  And that's why Klingons have cloaking devices in post-movie Trek.
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« Reply #389 on: 22 October 2017, 08:19:15 »

Apparently they were going to use Romulans as the antagonists in Discovery but changed direction during pre-production.  But even that's not an original decision to Discovery: The original plan for Search for Spock was that the antagonists would be Romulans rather than Klingons, and the ship being a Bird of Prey is a holdover from before that changed.  And that's why Klingons have cloaking devices in post-movie Trek.

My understanding was that in Search for Spock, the ship was to be Romulan, stolen by the Klingons...hence why the old FASA Star Trek RPG had the Romulans having developed the scout-type Bird of Prey, and trading some to the Klingons, who then developed larger cruiser and frigate types (with the frigate one being the largest with the heaviest armament, hull and shields), which, in turn, led to the Romulans developing their own cruiser model (which was superior to the Klingon version, and basically equivalent to the second model of the Klingon frigate version)...

Of course, everything since in the shows and movies has negated those theories and events, like so much of the rest of the old FASA RPG...

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