Star Trek Discovery

[Kentares]

rules of the game, Kentares-Prequels and reboots are flat easier for modern hollywood, and it's more or less in fashion at the moment.  witness: Gotham, as a prime example.

Lazyness, lack of imagination and a quicker grab of money are the rules...

[skiltao]

I dont want easier episodes to watch. I want big overarching stories (hence DS9 is my favorite Star Trek show).

When I say "easy" I mean that the episode is interesting and engaging. I like big overarching stories too, there's just something about DS9's that's losing value for me on this rewatch.

Discovery is set 10 years before TOS. Im talking about that specifically. I dont want anymore stories about Star Trek past (which is what Discovery is doing). I want stories set much after VOY/DS9 (not that Enterprise time-travel and timeline-hopping nonsense).

So basically, put more focus on the Federation's political situation than on sci-fi novelty or technological futurism? Or would Discovery's plot so far be fine if they just changed the dates and replaced the Klingons with, say, the Cardassians or Jem'Hadar?

[Kentares]

So basically, put more focus on the Federation's political situation than on sci-fi novelty or technological futurism? Or would Discovery's plot so far be fine if they just changed the dates and replaced the Klingons with, say, the Cardassians or Jem'Hadar?

Neither (or in a way both). A couple of examples that COULD be interesting (with a small or big timeline jump - pick your flavour depending on whats already canon by past series):

- What are the XXX doing now? (insert your favorite alien former (still?) "enemy" race (i.e. Borg, Jem'Hadar/Dominion, Breen, Species 8472)
- Whats the fallout (if any) of the Dominion War in Federation space (social, political, etc... - timeline jump dependent)?
- What new races/dangers/tech (spore drive anyone?) exist?
- Star Trek split the Milky Way in 4 quadrants. Is nothing more to discover about it? Isnt there anything else beyond?
- Civil War? (not serious but... - only took our own FedCom Civil war idea)
- New danger from beyond the galaxy?
- Explore neighbour galaxy with newly invented spore drive?
- Did past time jumps made by some characters payed off on the long run? (thinking of Janeway in the last VOY episode for example if someone cares about that of course)
- Search for Kirk? (im joking)

Some random general thoughts. If you want I could expand on those or try to come up with more but I guess you get the idea. Im also lazy but at least I dont have to earn my income writing Star Trek episodes.

Damn it. I bet that if we here in this topic join our ideas we can come up with a couple of cool concepts for a Star Trek series that doesnt suck big time and doesnt do past mistakes and doesnt redo canon as we know it.

All can boil down to what style one aims when doing a Star Trek series (storywise I mean).

[skiltao]

Huh, so your priority really is that you don't want existing material to be touched. That's understandable.

Damn it. I bet that if we here in this topic join our ideas we can come up with a couple of cool concepts for a Star Trek series that doesnt suck big time and doesnt do past mistakes and doesnt redo canon as we know it.

All can boil down to what style one aims when doing a Star Trek series (storywise I mean).

Well, after my last watch-through of TOS, I wrote this up. It'd be easy enough to scratch the serial numbers off and put it in a newer era.

[Kentares]

Huh, so your priority really is that you don't want existing material to be touched. That's understandable.

Thought I was clear enough since my first or second post about this show. I want the future. NOT a rehash of the past.

Well, after my last watch-through of TOS, I wrote this up. It'd be easy enough to scratch the serial numbers off and put it in a newer era.

No because its done. A couple of good writers could come up with new stuff (could be inspired in previous stories or other sources instead of mangling old ones).

[skiltao]

Thought I was clear enough since my first or second post about this show. I want the future. NOT a rehash of the past.

There are many reasons why a person would say they "want the future, not a rehash of the past." Not all of those reasons are straightforward.

No because its done. A couple of good writers could come up with new stuff (could be inspired in previous stories or other sources instead of mangling old ones).

When I say "file the serial numbers off" I mean to have new characters patterned on these old ones, the way Jadzia was patterned on the Trill from that single episode of TNG.

[Kentares]

When I say "file the serial numbers off" I mean to have new characters patterned on these old ones, the way Jadzia was patterned on the Trill from that single episode of TNG.

Misunderstood you. Sorry. Yes. That is an example (a very simple one).

[I am Belch II]

So the Discovery went to Pandora from Avatar! That's all I was thinking about that planet.

[Lorcan Nagle]

When I say "file the serial numbers off" I mean to have new characters patterned on these old ones, the way Jadzia was patterned on the Trill from that single episode of TNG.

See, that's the kind of thing that amuses me, because between TNG and DS9 they changed the look of the Trills, the way the symbiont interacted with the host, and that a host could live after the symbiont was removed.  Compared to that, Discovery is a paragon of canonicity.

[(SMD)MadCow]

See, that's the kind of thing that amuses me, because between TNG and DS9 they changed the look of the Trills, the way the symbiont interacted with the host, and that a host could live after the symbiont was removed.  Compared to that, Discovery is a paragon of canonicity.

Which is way more acceptable than if Enterprise or Discovery made it so Trills had tribal tatoos instead of spots and changed hosts by chest bursting.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

See, that's the kind of thing that amuses me, because between TNG and DS9 they changed the look of the Trills, the way the symbiont interacted with the host, and that a host could live after the symbiont was removed.  Compared to that, Discovery is a paragon of canonicity.

The difference is that the stuff about Trills in TNG was from a single, minor episode.  It can be handwaved as early installment weirdness from before the canon was set.  Sort of like the way the Dire Wolf was referred to as a dropship in the Blood of Kerensky trilogy instead of a warship.  Discovery is changing things that have been established in canon by many many episodes across multiple series.

[Blackhorse 6]

Neither (or in a way both). A couple of examples that COULD be interesting (with a small or big timeline jump - pick your flavour depending on whats already canon by past series):

- What are the XXX doing now? (insert your favorite alien former (still?) "enemy" race (i.e. Borg, Jem'Hadar/Dominion, Breen, Species 8472)
- Whats the fallout (if any) of the Dominion War in Federation space (social, political, etc... - timeline jump dependent)?
- What new races/dangers/tech (spore drive anyone?) exist?
- Star Trek split the Milky Way in 4 quadrants. Is nothing more to discover about it? Isnt there anything else beyond?
- Civil War? (not serious but... - only took our own FedCom Civil war idea)
- New danger from beyond the galaxy?
- Explore neighbour galaxy with newly invented spore drive?
- Did past time jumps made by some characters payed off on the long run? (thinking of Janeway in the last VOY episode for example if someone cares about that of course)
- Search for Kirk? (im joking)

Some random general thoughts. If you want I could expand on those or try to come up with more but I guess you get the idea. Im also lazy but at least I dont have to earn my income writing Star Trek episodes.

Damn it. I bet that if we here in this topic join our ideas we can come up with a couple of cool concepts for a Star Trek series that doesnt suck big time and doesnt do past mistakes and doesnt redo canon as we know it.

All can boil down to what style one aims when doing a Star Trek series (storywise I mean).

Star Trek Online has the answer to most of your questions. ;)

[Blackhorse 6]

It wouldn't be Trek without a top bridge, exploding consoles and throwing people around.

That's why the Andorians questioned Earth design stylings.

[Lorcan Nagle]

Discovery is changing things that have been established in canon by many many episodes across multiple series.

The only things Discovery has changed is visuals.  The actual important content all fits into canon.

[Kentares]

The only things Discovery has changed is visuals.  The actual important content all fits into canon.

Here we go again. The "actual important content" doesnt fit canon in anyway. Read my and others posts in this topic about all that.

[Lorcan Nagle]

Here we go again. The "actual important content" doesnt fit canon in anyway. Read my and others posts in this topic about all that.

I have, every point is either conjecture, incorrect, unaware of other canon sources that corroborate Discovery, or makes assumptions that have yet to be borne out as correct.

[Kentares]

I have, every point is either conjecture, incorrect, unaware of other canon sources that corroborate Discovery, or makes assumptions that have yet to be borne out as correct.

Ahahah. Ok. Klingon drag queens fits into which one? Mudd being a psycho? Sarek having an adopted human and no one ever mentioned her? Radically changing ships looks? Starfleet uniforms change once again...

Anyone feel free to add.

Lorcan you need to say it loud: "Im a fanboy and whatever they do Im going to like it... whatever it is!"

[Maingunnery]

I have, every point is either conjecture, incorrect, unaware of other canon sources that corroborate Discovery, or makes assumptions that have yet to be borne out as correct.

Sorry Lorcan, a lot of people including myself disagree. I know that you like the show, but I think that your post just sounds like a mantra to many of us. 

[Lorcan Nagle]

Ahahah. Ok. For example Klingon drag queens fits into which one?

No male Klingon has been wearing women's clothes as a humorous impersonation.

Sorry Lorcan, a lot of people including myself disagree. I know that you like the show, but I think that your post just sounds like a mantra to many of us. 

And it doesn't stop it being true.  If you don't like the show, that's one thing, and that's fine.  But to claim that it's bad because it breaks canon because of X, Y and Z - but they're not actually breaking canon, that's intellectually dishonest.  And if you think it's bad because it looks different?  That's OK, but to claim it's breaking canon because it looks different, then every Trek breaks canon because they all changed the way things looked without explanation, and therefore it's an invalid complaint.

[Kentares]

And it doesn't stop it being true.  If you don't like the show, that's one thing, and that's fine.  But to claim that it's bad because it breaks canon because of X, Y and Z - but they're not actually breaking canon, that's intellectually dishonest.  And if you think it's bad because it looks different?  That's OK, but to claim it's breaking canon because it looks different, then every Trek breaks canon because they all changed the way things looked without explanation, and therefore it's an invalid complaint.

Now youre being dishonest. They broke canon since episode 1 but you dont want to see it. Thats ok. Just move on.

[Lorcan Nagle]

Now youre being dishonest. They broke canon since episode 1 but you dont want to see it. Thats ok. Just move on.

I'll bite, how did they break canon in episode 1?

[Kentares]

I'll bite, how did they break canon in episode 1?

For what? Whatever I write youre going to reply with your favorite phrase "either conjecture, incorrect, unaware of other canon sources that corroborate Discovery, or makes assumptions that have yet to be borne out as correct... oh and visuals doesnt count" so no point to keep this going. Enjoy Discovery.

[Weirdo]

Okay, EVERYBODY needs to step back, take a few hundred deep breaths, and calm the hell down. [copper]

[pensiveswetness]

*eats Popcorn* So when is the Pillow fight?

[Wrangler]

*eats Popcorn* So when is the Pillow fight?

*points to the Self-Destruct codes being activated.*  I think we may have a big bang of a finale.



All silliness aside, were all going to be disagreeing with this. Star Trek is very core of science fiction fandom.
Some changes happen, some people will like it and some won't.  At least there passion for it despite changes made people may and may not like.

For me I'm just waiting it out see how this does.  I wasn't crazy about alot things with Discovery. I thought Klingon ships were downright strange from what I've seen of the battle scenes from the pilot.  One them look like flying church steeple i think was Klingon Bird of prey-ish ship.

[Kit deSummersville]

*eats Popcorn* So when is the Pillow fight?

Klingons are doing pillow fights now? My how the mighty have fallen....

[Weirdo]

Don't be so sure. Pillows can be badass...

[Foxx Ital]

Iv been enjoying the show. The klingons arent very klingy to me, but i remember my biological dad complaining about the ng klingons.
 Im cool with all the changes, especially since if you made a TOS bridge style, it would come off as cheesy. Remaking visuals is par for the course when the previous series have been off air for years. Plus "canon" seems to shift in the wind depending on which show and whos writing.
 Plus, i like hearing spocks dad had a not talked about adopted daughter who he enda up sacrificing for spocks career, only to have that all blow up in his face. My only complaint is there needs to be more mudd and space pew pew battles.
 

[Lorcan Nagle]

Klingons are doing pillow fights now? My how the mighty have fallen....

It's a more practical weapon than the Bat'leth

[YingJanshi]

*eats Popcorn* So when is the Pillow fight?