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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #630 on: 03 January 2018, 03:57:29 »
I've watched TOS and it wasn't just misogynistic.  Which I think is all I'll say to avoid rule 4 territory.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #631 on: 03 January 2018, 10:13:56 »
I've watched TOS and it wasn't just misogynistic.  Which I think is all I'll say to avoid rule 4 territory.

Some things continued well into the early days of TNG. I can remember at least one episode where everyone involved looked really uncomfortable the entire time.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #632 on: 03 January 2018, 14:10:42 »
Hey, who wants to repurpose this thread back to talking about Discovery, and move the psychoanalysis of forum members to someplace that's not anywhere near this forum? :)

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #633 on: 03 January 2018, 21:48:36 »
After rewatching TOS a while back, I thought it'd be fun to have the girl-bot from "What Are Little Girls Made Of" as a member of a new ship's bridge crew. Discovery doesn't have something exactly comparable, but I'm enjoying how Michael is just as bad with interpersonal skills. There does also seem to be a female mechanoid of some kind on the bridge; I can't claim that DSC's writers had the same idea as me, but I have to admit I'm tickled at the prospect.

Have you seen TOS?  Harry Mudd was selling women as sex slaves in his first appearance.

You're wrong twice.

First, if you're going to accuse anyone, it's actually Kirk who sells them. The main conflict hinges on the women being free to decline the arrangement, and the Enterprise being endangered if they do. (Accusing Mudd here is like accusing Picard for his role in "Up the Long Ladder.")

Second, the Original Series might have wanted to write a story about sex slavery, but - perhaps because of contemporary sensibilities - they toned it down. What actually appears on screen is a story about three women who want to leave for greener pastures and contract a matchmaker to secure a suitable destination and passage. Quick googling turns up similar practices in the Yukon goldrush, an obvious match for TOS' "wagon train to the stars" motif.

Yes, you could deconstruct the historical practice of matchmaking, and yes, you can write a nearly-identical story in which the character of Mudd is replaced by an evil slaver, and yes, you could deconstruct the affable rogue archetype. I think it would be fine and fair for Discovery to try. But Mudd's appearances in DSC don't do it. You can't even argue that there's a parallel in him "selling out" his fellow humans! In TOS, Mudd was going to collect a fee for helping two willing parties see eye-to-eye, then holds a single ship hostage to secure his own liberty; in DSC's "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad," Mudd is working to no-one's benefit but his own, the thing he's selling wasn't provided to him willingly, and dooming the Discovery's crew is in no way necessary for his freedom (he already has that) or profit (he has ample other means and opportunity).


PS: it's possible that you're trying to make a point by being inexact and careless the same way cannonshop is being hyperbolic. If that's the case, I have to say that in my decade on these forums, I've not found it productive to match hyperbole with hyperbole. It too often reads as escalation.

Captain Georgious and Admiral Cornwall's very appearances in the show are a commentary and refutation of Turnabout, Intruder for example - even if the writers didn't intend it.

Commentary yes, but technically not a refutation. It isn't clear in that episode whether the "glass ceiling" really exists or if the crazy lady crying about a social injustice is in fact just a crazy lady.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #634 on: 05 January 2018, 15:29:17 »
Looks like Star Trek Discovery is opening up more venues people can watch it.
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« Reply #635 on: 05 January 2018, 16:03:52 »
Then I should be able to watch it once I get the blu ray player hooked back up.  Huzzah!

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« Reply #636 on: 05 January 2018, 16:58:30 »
Then I should be able to watch it once I get the blu ray player hooked back up.  Huzzah!

You’ll still have to pay for it. It’s the same $9.99/month charge as doing it through the CBS All Access website, bolted on top of your existing Amazon Prime cost ($10/month or $99/year). Basically, Amazon Channels acts as a kind of hub for signing up for additional services like All Access, HBO, Starz, etc.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #637 on: 05 January 2018, 17:00:49 »
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #638 on: 05 January 2018, 17:07:37 »
So it will be on Amazon now. That's good if true
 
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« Reply #639 on: 05 January 2018, 17:15:37 »
So it will be on Amazon now. That's good if true

No, it'll still be on CBS All Access, just linked from Amazon. You'll still need to pay for both Amazon Prime and CBS All Access. There is no price savings, only a tiny bit of convenience.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #640 on: 05 January 2018, 17:34:43 »
No, it'll still be on CBS All Access, just linked from Amazon. You'll still need to pay for both Amazon Prime and CBS All Access. There is no price savings, only a tiny bit of convenience.

I don't know if I'd call Amazon's DRM practices a convenience though...

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #641 on: 05 January 2018, 17:47:29 »
I think the "convenience" is being able to pay through an existing Amazon account rather than having to set up a new account for CBS All Access and being able to stream on any device you can stream Amazon content on.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #642 on: 05 January 2018, 18:23:52 »
I think the "convenience" is being able to pay through an existing Amazon account rather than having to set up a new account for CBS All Access and being able to stream on any device you can stream Amazon content on.

Which isn't that many. Amazons streaming sevice sucks and with no support for stuff like Chromecast.

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« Reply #643 on: 05 January 2018, 19:44:37 »
I used scarequotes for a reason.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #644 on: 05 January 2018, 19:46:27 »
Double charging?  SO this is their scheme to get people to prescribe to CBS Access?
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« Reply #645 on: 05 January 2018, 20:08:11 »
Double charging?  SO this is their scheme to get people to prescribe to CBS Access?

No, it's not double-charging, either. You're just paying for both services. Offering it through Amazon Prime mostly just lets more people know it's available.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #646 on: 06 January 2018, 06:35:27 »
As much money as CBS is getting off of Trek Geeks I doubt they will get rid of that source of income. They are also throwing a lot of money on episodes also with sets a fx. So it's the catch of the Series.
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« Reply #647 on: 06 January 2018, 13:24:03 »
SO this is their scheme to get people to prescribe to CBS Access?

No, Discovery is their "scheme" to get people to subscribe to All Access.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #648 on: 06 January 2018, 16:48:34 »
This is anything request to get back to discussion of the series. Sure, discussing how to watch it is fair but getting into business practices, etc isn't. Back to the series itself please.
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« Reply #649 on: 06 January 2018, 16:50:35 »
Ok, as a casual Star Trek fan (I've seen a chunk of the other series and TNG, some of DS9, a couple episodes of Voyager and all the movies, I think) is this worth watching. Ignore the monetary cost, sheer enjoyment value for a non-Trekkie.
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« Reply #650 on: 06 January 2018, 18:10:15 »
Ok, as a casual Star Trek fan (I've seen a chunk of the other series and TNG, some of DS9, a couple episodes of Voyager and all the movies, I think) is this worth watching. Ignore the monetary cost, sheer enjoyment value for a non-Trekkie.

You'll get two answers:

From those of us who like it: Yes.
From the haters: No.

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« Reply #651 on: 06 January 2018, 19:38:03 »
I can be fair an admit I haven't seen enough to know if I like it or hate it.  Enough to know it has some problems but what Trek series doesn't?  With what I've seen via youtube I'd place it between Enterprise and Voyager.

Best to worst for my viewing pleasure:
DS9(have to admit I didn't like how they handled a lot of the religious aspects but it still had some really good stories)
TNG(I hate to say it but once Gene was largely out of the way it got better and is still aging fairly well)
TOS(the sensibilities of the era have made it not age well in a lot of ways but there are still some good stories)
VOY(they ruined the Borg!)
STD(I can't help it, yes I know it isn't particularly nice but neither is what they did to the D7s and Klingons)
ENT(while it did eventually get good it just took too long and was too bleh before then)

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #652 on: 06 January 2018, 21:34:42 »
You'll get two answers:

From those of us who like it: Yes.
From the haters: No.

Fair enough, do I have to be familiar (beyond passingly) with the universe?
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #653 on: 07 January 2018, 09:47:26 »
Awesomeness - Jonathan Frakes is directing the mid-season premiere of Discovery:

http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/watch-jonathan-frakes-return-to-the-star-trek-directors-chair-in-discovery

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« Reply #654 on: 07 January 2018, 11:41:28 »
Back on tonight at least in my part of the US.

From what I understand its a Mirror Episode. But Mirror what way??
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« Reply #655 on: 07 January 2018, 11:59:09 »
Back on tonight at least in my part of the US.

From what I understand its a Mirror Episode. But Mirror what way??

Speculation is that Lorca brought them to the Mirror Universe or some other alternate dimension when he changed the jump co-ordinates at the end of the last episode.
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« Reply #656 on: 07 January 2018, 15:45:50 »
Speculation is that Lorca brought them to the Mirror Universe or some other alternate dimension when he changed the jump co-ordinates at the end of the last episode.

My also other guess in this is because this is Directed by Jonathan Frakes and it was leaked (accidently) that this was a "mirror" episode.  So we will see where it goes.
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« Reply #657 on: 07 January 2018, 16:47:58 »
My also other guess in this is because this is Directed by Jonathan Frakes and it was leaked (accidently) that this was a "mirror" episode.  So we will see where it goes.

IIRC Frakes dropped a hint about the mirror universe when he confirmed he was directing an episode.  But yeah, there's speculation from the production side one way or another.
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« Reply #658 on: 08 January 2018, 03:22:55 »
Speculation is that Lorca brought them to the Mirror Universe or some other alternate dimension when he changed the jump co-ordinates at the end of the last episode.

Was that actually a slip-up on his part, or "accidentally-on purpose" ?

EDIT:  what if Lorca is actually FROM the Mirror Universe, and his comment about going back "home" was to HIS home?  It would make a lot of his behaviour make sense, if he's a product of the MU's Terran Empire and not the "white hat" Federation...

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« Reply #659 on: 08 January 2018, 04:57:20 »
I completely agree. My first thought on seeing the last episode was... what if they are from the mirror dimension and they have came through to the original timeline