Author Topic: Star Trek Attack Wing (Read 11614 times)

(SMD)MadCow · « **on:** 15 July 2014, 13:20:51 »

I just learned to play this weekend, half watching half participating in a 300 point Borg vs Federation game.
Rules are pretty simple and ots a fun little game to play with my nerdy friends.
One thing I did notice was there was no way to stay stationairy.

Anyone else play?

I am Belch II · « **Reply #1 on:** 15 July 2014, 13:40:34 »

Im getting into more of the game. Mostly for my love of Star Trek.

(SMD)MadCow · « **Reply #2 on:** 15 July 2014, 16:12:17 »

Im going to start a Dominion fleet, as the Jem Hadar ships are my favorite. I have no real desire to play Federation until they get more modern ships like the Saber and Akira classes.

garhkal · « **Reply #3 on:** 15 July 2014, 16:19:22 »

Seeing the price of minitures for this (or the starwars version) its too pricy for me to get into.

Scotty · « **Reply #4 on:** 15 July 2014, 16:39:33 »

I've played both, and much prefer the Star Wars version. I agree, the models can be a bit pricey, but when you consider you're fielding (at most) 8 models for the dirt cheapest, swarmiest ships in the game, it's less expensive than it first appears.

(SMD)MadCow · « **Reply #5 on:** 15 July 2014, 17:00:59 »

What makes the Star Wars one stand out?

I am Belch II · « **Reply #6 on:** 15 July 2014, 19:25:44 »

Quote from: garhkal on 15 July 2014, 16:19:22

Seeing the price of minitures for this (or the starwars version) its too pricy for me to get into.

I didn't like the "mystery box" of minis that came with Star Trek Tactics. The price of the mini is high, but I have done pretty good at finding them at a discount.

Scotty · « **Reply #7 on:** 15 July 2014, 19:31:36 »

Quote from: (SMD)MadCow on 15 July 2014, 17:00:59

What makes the Star Wars one stand out?

I'm much more familiar with the Star Wars craft and characters, plus the maneuvering is a bit more fluid and 'dogfight-y' where as Attack Wing you're definitely maneuvering capital ships into position.

(SMD)MadCow · « **Reply #8 on:** 15 July 2014, 21:37:40 »

I just cant get begind the low amount of fighters for Wars, to me it should be 8v8 at least.
With Trek its not far fetched from what we have been show for battles to be 3v3 and that be a sizable engagement...until DS9.

I am Belch II · « **Reply #9 on:** 15 July 2014, 21:49:11 »

Even the Star Wars Fighters are the same price as the Star Trek ships. Hard to get into both games with the boosters.

Now if they made a Star Wars captial ships game, that would be great.

Scotty · « **Reply #10 on:** 15 July 2014, 21:59:26 »

8v8 is certainly possible on a big mat with a lot of points on each side. 8v8 in a tournament setting is technically possible but I shudder to imagine having to plot that many dials each turn and being expected to finish a game in an hour and a half. A lot of the standard X-Wing scale stuff is tournament-related (100 point squad lists, for example), not "you must play like this" oriented.

X-Wing capships are much more impressive than Attack Wing capships. ^-^

Stormlion1 · « **Reply #11 on:** 15 July 2014, 23:16:41 »

Quote from: I am Belch II on 15 July 2014, 21:49:11

Even the Star Wars Fighters are the same price as the Star Trek ships. Hard to get into both games with the boosters.

Now if they made a Star Wars captial ships game, that would be great.

They did make a cap ship game a few years back. It didn't do so well. Blind boxes were to blame primarily and getting a Star Destroyer was just plain expensive. The good part though was the Executor came in the starter set so you started out with the biggest ship more or less in the game.

garhkal · « **Reply #12 on:** 16 July 2014, 00:55:39 »

I could just imagine an executor to scale with the current minitures. Would cost a few grand!

Weirdo · « **Reply #13 on:** 16 July 2014, 09:16:05 »

Quote from: Stormlion1 on 15 July 2014, 23:16:41

They did make a cap ship game a few years back. It didn't do so well. Blind boxes were to blame primarily and getting a Star Destroyer was just plain expensive. The good part though was the Executor came in the starter set so you started out with the biggest ship more or less in the game.

The fact that the game system itself set new standards for 'suck' didn't help much.

Seriously, there was NO reason to actually move your capital ships at all. You stayed on your map edge, turned your best firing arc towards the other edge, and rolled dice around until a ship popped or the fighters caught you.

Some nice minis, though. I need to pick up some more on the used market to fill out my Seperatist fleet. That's the only one that even resembles being in scale with my other SW stuff.

As for the current SW game: It looks excellent, but it's not for me. Call me back when the Corellian Corvette is one of the lightest units in the game.

And since this thread is actually about Trek: My only experience with this game has been to pick up a Vorcha and some light Romulan ships for use in Starmada. For just about everything else, it's much easier to find the ships elsewhere, in higher quality and more consistent scale.

(SMD)MadCow · « **Reply #14 on:** 16 July 2014, 09:54:30 »

Yeah, the Jem Hadar Cruiser is bigger than the Battleship, which is just wrong, and the Cardassian Galor is tiny, smaller than the Defiant. But gameplay doesnt hinge on scale of the ships, so I find the inconsistancy or incorrectness ignorable for the most part.

Weirdo · « **Reply #15 on:** 16 July 2014, 10:04:19 »

I'd feel the same way, if it wasn't so easy to get them all in the same exact scale.

(Okay, not so much on Romulan stuff, but the D'deridex is so huge that I'm willing to wiggle there.)

(SMD)MadCow · « **Reply #16 on:** 16 July 2014, 11:12:04 »

Quote from: Weirdo on 16 July 2014, 10:04:19

I'd feel the same way, if it wasn't so easy to get them all in the same exact scale.

(Okay, not so much on Romulan stuff, but the D'deridex is so huge that I'm willing to wiggle there.)

Yeah, it should be pretty easy to have figured that out, im betting their product designer isnt a Trek fan.

I am Belch II · « **Reply #17 on:** 16 July 2014, 11:27:09 »

Some ships would be huge and some would be way to tiny. I'm ok with the scales being wrong.

Weirdo · « **Reply #18 on:** 16 July 2014, 11:33:37 »

Huge and tiny are relative. I have no problem with my Defiants that are barely over 1/2" long right next to a 4-inch-long Galaxy, though I'll admit that I'm looking for slightly larger-scale Birds of Prey, if only for structural reasons. Similarly, I did indeed settle for some D'deridices that are only 6 inches long or so, because foot-long ships are a bit excessive for tabletop play unless we're talking about rare super-ships like the Dominion BB. I'm going straight 1/7000 scale for that.

garhkal · « **Reply #19 on:** 16 July 2014, 15:35:19 »

Anyone got a link to a site where all these minies are shown?

I am Belch II · « **Reply #20 on:** 16 July 2014, 15:39:42 »

Quote from: Weirdo on 16 July 2014, 11:33:37

Huge and tiny are relative. I have no problem with my Defiants that are barely over 1/2" long right next to a 4-inch-long Galaxy, though I'll admit that I'm looking for slightly larger-scale Birds of Prey, if only for structural reasons. Similarly, I did indeed settle for some D'deridices that are only 6 inches long or so, because foot-long ships are a bit excessive for tabletop play unless we're talking about rare super-ships like the Dominion BB. I'm going straight 1/7000 scale for that.

I just got a huge order from Ender for some Dominion Ships. I did get the Dominion BB that thing is a beauty and a beast. But I'm using it as a Dreadnought over just a BB. I just wish I could paint better and dispaly them better. I now even have a Breen Fleet.

Weirdo · « **Reply #21 on:** 16 July 2014, 16:30:01 »

That's exactly what I'm talking about. My own collection of his stuff(and others like him) is steadily growing. O0

That being said, third-party manufacturers like him are still technically in breach of copyright, so it'd be for the best to refrain from directly discussing them on these forums. [copper] If you want to point people at third-party ships that are of higher quality(and likely lower price) or find for yourself, please use PMs.

Stormlion1 · « **Reply #22 on:** 16 July 2014, 17:15:53 »

I have to ask, are the ships in this game supposed to represent individual ships or ships in a class. Is the Galaxy class ship supposed to be the Enterprise or can it represent the Galaxy, Oddyssy, or some other ship in the class?

(SMD)MadCow · « **Reply #23 on:** 16 July 2014, 17:18:31 »

Yes. There are named ships like the Enterprise but you can flip its token for a generic ship of the class.
The named ships have an ability and another sheild point but cost more points.

Stormlion1 · « **Reply #24 on:** 16 July 2014, 19:49:32 »

So you get two stats per ship, one for the named ship and one for the other ships in the class. A little paint to wipe out a name and you can have any ship you want essentially. Cool, I like that.

I am Belch II · « **Reply #25 on:** 16 July 2014, 19:59:55 »

Quote from: Stormlion1 on 16 July 2014, 19:49:32

So you get two stats per ship, one for the named ship and one for the other ships in the class. A little paint to wipe out a name and you can have any ship you want essentially. Cool, I like that.

You get a bunch of extras in the booster box. Some of the extras are pretty neat.

TonUp · « **Reply #26 on:** 16 July 2014, 21:56:56 »

Out of curiosity: Does this game use a similar play style to Wings of War: Famous Aces?

(SMD)MadCow · « **Reply #27 on:** 16 July 2014, 23:47:43 »

From what I understand its almost a strait copy of the Star Wars Attack Wing, just with big ships instead of fighter craft.
Havnet played wings of war.

HikageMaru · « **Reply #28 on:** 17 July 2014, 09:31:05 »

I have both Star Trek Attack Wing and Star Wars X-Wing Miniatures. The rules are almost the same, but there are some shades of difference and I prefer the Star Trek Attack Wing rules. However, I almost never play it. I much rather play X-Wing Miniatures (and I own every miniatures that they've released, including the newer capital ships). The Star Trek Attack Wing miniatures are not of good quality, their paint jobs are terrible, and their scaling is inconsistent. However, they are hardy (you can drop them and they won't break, unlike the Star Wars X-Wing Miniatures).

So I generally play Star Trek Attack Wing with my kids (because they can't break them), but play Star Wars X-Wing Miniatures with my friends.

mdauben · « **Reply #29 on:** 17 July 2014, 09:38:08 »

I never got into the Attack Wing game becuase I've played Star Fleet Battles for years to get my Star Trek gaming needs. I do like the X-Wing game, though. Plus I'm not impressed with the quality of the miniatures for Attack Wing. They seem significantly inferior to the X-Wing ships. :(

(SMD)MadCow · « **Reply #30 on:** 17 July 2014, 11:06:10 »

Its probably because the Trek models are the same ones used in the Hero Clix version.

Weirdo · « **Reply #31 on:** 17 July 2014, 12:20:35 »

Yup. And Clix minis on the secondary market are cheap. 8)

I am Belch II · « **Reply #32 on:** 17 July 2014, 13:02:09 »

Quote from: Weirdo on 17 July 2014, 12:20:35

Yup. And Clix minis on the secondary market are cheap. 8)

Some of them are the size of the old Star Trek Micro Machine ships. How awesome would be if they came out again! That also goes for Star Wars, Babylon 5 and other miniatures.

Weirdo · « **Reply #33 on:** 17 July 2014, 13:07:53 »

Mmm...a reliable source of 1/7000 Vor'chas and 1/3800 Mirandas... {>{>

Not sure what Star Wars ones would be really useful, though if they ever cast a decent one, a MM ISD could probably be kitbashed into a 1/15000 Victory pretty easily...

Unfortunately, the casting quality on a lot of the Micro Machines was abysmal. So much bending, I'd almost consider Mongoose-made minis to be superior.

(SMD)MadCow · « **Reply #34 on:** 17 July 2014, 13:27:23 »

Quote from: I am Belch II on 17 July 2014, 13:02:09

Some of them are the size of the old Star Trek Micro Machine ships. How awesome would be if they came out again! That also goes for Star Wars, Babylon 5 and other miniatures.

Im altering a flight base to accomidate my MM Galor cruiser.

Now if the darn cat didnt chew off the Reliants nacelles all those years ago...

nerd · « **Reply #35 on:** 17 July 2014, 18:33:16 »

Quote from: mdauben on 17 July 2014, 09:38:08

I never got into the Attack Wing game becuase I've played Star Fleet Battles for years to get my Star Trek gaming needs.

Masochist. I've played it a few times, and my dad's got the edition that came out three-hole punched, so you could replace pages with ones from later rule books.

The only other time I've seen that method was for Navy tech manuals.

(SMD)MadCow · « **Reply #36 on:** 21 July 2014, 13:03:07 »

I actually played my first game this weekend and won, yay!
100 point killem all game, my force:
2nd Division Cruiser
-Dukat
-Captured Intel
-Boheeka
-Jem Hadar
-Torpedoes
-Polaron Beam
-Long Range Tachyon Scan
5th Wing Fighter
-Gelnon
-Jem Hadar
-Polaron Beam
-EMP

OPFOR:
4X Jem Fighter w/Polaron Beam

I completely forgot to use the EMP, but I lost the 5th Wing fighter in the 3rd round anyway. Dukat proceeded to clean up all 4 of the OPFOR ships with one Polaron, 2 Torpedo attacks, and finally dogfighting the last one for 4 rounds and getting it with the main gun. The Split-S was pulled off as the last maneuver to get him in the front arc.
I forgot the names of the officer upgrades, but will asd them later, and I never used the one on the cruiser or the Tachyon scan either.
Was lots of fun, hope to have more!

I am Belch II · « **Reply #37 on:** 21 July 2014, 15:05:00 »

I just don't understand all the cards. I just want to go ship on ship. More of a fleet game.

(SMD)MadCow · « **Reply #38 on:** 21 July 2014, 16:48:58 »

Quote from: I am Belch II on 21 July 2014, 15:05:00

I just don't understand all the cards. I just want to go ship on ship. More of a fleet game.

The cards are upgrades to the ship, I could not use a Polaron Beam if I didnt pay the points for the card. And its a pretty easy way to keep track of upgrades.

beachhead1985 · « **Reply #39 on:** 26 July 2014, 20:56:23 »

I've played a number of games of STAW and I generally like it.

I don't want to clutter the thread, but for those who are interested, here are my observations;

http://kilroyswall.tumblr.com/post/92970308672/observations-on-star-trek-attack-wing

I'm curious to hear what a real trek fan thinks of my take on the game.

(SMD)MadCow · « **Reply #40 on:** 03 August 2014, 21:55:28 »

So, played the Tholian Web scenario today. The event was dominated by Borg, 4 of 6 players. I went pure Dominion, the other player went mixed Fed and Romulan. I was only able to win 1 of 3 games due to the other player getting caught by the web.

Scotty · « **Reply #41 on:** 08 August 2014, 16:21:42 »

Hey Weirdo, Fantasy Flight has heard your prayers, and they have been answered. ^-^

Fixed the link.

Weirdo · « **Reply #42 on:** 08 August 2014, 16:37:01 »

I...wow.

On the one hand, I'm happy because holy goatballs, a Star Wars fleet game that looks like it might not be utter crap!

On the other hand, I'm very sad because I've but a lot of work into my current SW fleets, and I HIGHLY doubt these ships will be remotely in scale with the existing stuff that's out there.

...but I will buy a Star Destroyer. My honor demands it.

I am Belch II · « **Reply #43 on:** 08 August 2014, 21:22:42 »

Quote from: Scotty on 08 August 2014, 16:21:42

Hey Weirdo, Fantasy Flight has heard your prayers, and they have been answered. ^-^

Fixed the link.

That is some good stuff, can't wait till it come out.

Lorcan Nagle · « **Reply #44 on:** 09 August 2014, 02:42:28 »

Oh, that is sorely tempting.

worktroll · « **Reply #45 on:** 09 August 2014, 04:53:26 »

They ~~stole~~ are homaging the Leviathans dice mechanic ... ^-^ Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.

I am Belch II · « **Reply #46 on:** 09 August 2014, 05:30:04 »

If they expand the fighter squadron line that would be great.

Lorcan Nagle · « **Reply #47 on:** 09 August 2014, 05:55:57 »

Quote from: worktroll on 09 August 2014, 04:53:26

They ~~stole~~ are homaging the Leviathans dice mechanic ... ^-^ Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.

And the whole if a target is in two arcs, you can fire with both arc's weapons at it thing.

Stormlion1 · « **Reply #48 on:** 09 August 2014, 16:18:21 »

Quote from: Scotty on 08 August 2014, 16:21:42

Hey Weirdo, Fantasy Flight has heard your prayers, and they have been answered. ^-^

Fixed the link.

I can get behind this. I do hope they eventually do a Super Star Destroyer for this.

Weirdo · « **Reply #49 on:** 09 August 2014, 17:48:42 »

Quote from: Stormlion1 on 09 August 2014, 16:18:21

I can get behind this. I do hope they eventually do a Super Star Destroyer for this.

Apparently it will use a sliding scale, so you could easily use one of the existing SSD models out there. All you'd need are the stats.

I am Belch II · « **Reply #50 on:** 09 August 2014, 18:10:19 »

Just the issue with Star Trek ships and I'm sure with the Star Wars ships is they will not be to scale. Some would be huge and some would be so tiny, and all the same price.

YingJanshi · « **Reply #51 on:** 09 August 2014, 18:13:12 »

Quote from: Scotty on 08 August 2014, 16:21:42

Hey Weirdo, Fantasy Flight has heard your prayers, and they have been answered. ^-^

Fixed the link.

Oh....that looks cool! Hope they will expand it with more ships...

(EDIT: Could you imagine the Death Star!! :o )

Weirdo · « **Reply #52 on:** 09 August 2014, 18:45:02 »

Quote from: I am Belch II on 09 August 2014, 18:10:19

Just the issue with Star Trek ships and I'm sure with the Star Wars ships is they will not be to scale. Some would be huge and some would be so tiny, and all the same price.

I highly doubt it. The scale issues in Attack Wing stem from reusing Heroclix molds. Star Wars has no such source.

Scotty · « **Reply #53 on:** 09 August 2014, 19:17:10 »

Especially not something on that scale.

I am Belch II · « **Reply #54 on:** 09 August 2014, 19:37:30 »

Quote from: Weirdo on 09 August 2014, 18:45:02

I highly doubt it. The scale issues in Attack Wing stem from reusing Heroclix molds. Star Wars has no such source.

Wasn't there a attempt of a captial ship for Star Wars a while ago, can't remember the maker but the ships were not that great.

Lorcan Nagle · « **Reply #55 on:** 09 August 2014, 19:44:18 »

Wizards of the Coast, I think. Blind buy packs and a really crappy rules set.

Weirdo · « **Reply #56 on:** 09 August 2014, 21:52:22 »

REALLY crappy.

RebelRunner · « **Reply #57 on:** 09 August 2014, 22:12:33 »

Quote from: I am Belch II on 09 August 2014, 05:30:04

If they expand the fighter squadron line that would be great.

Agreed. Depending on the size, you might be able to use older models, but who knows. I, for one, am seriously considering this. We'll see where it goes from here...I have high hopes.

mdauben · « **Reply #58 on:** 09 August 2014, 23:46:23 »

Quote from: nerd on 17 July 2014, 18:33:16

Masochist. I've played it a few times, and my dad's got the edition that came out three-hole punched, so you could replace pages with ones from later rule books.

The only other time I've seen that method was for Navy tech manuals.

The original game was great, though. It was released as a "pocket" game with rules, game board and counters in a medium size zip lock bag. True, it bloated up later, but at the time is was the only ST game in town, and it worked really well for duels and small squadron play. There is a simpler version out now (Federation Commander), and two ports of other systems (Starmada/Klingon Armada and A Call to Arms: Bablylon 5/A Call to Arms: Star Fleet).

The main drawback for a lot of potential newer players is that it does not contain anything from the movies or subsequent series. Their licence is strictly for TOS and while they have expanded their game with new, original empires (Lyrans, Adromedans, ISC, etc.) they can't touch the Borg, Cardassians, Ferengi, or any of the newer Federation, Klingon or Romulan ships.

YingJanshi · « **Reply #59 on:** 17 August 2014, 16:24:06 »

Hm...this might make better miniatures for the game. Maybe a bit big though...

Lore · « **Reply #60 on:** 17 August 2014, 21:21:41 »

Quote from: Weirdo on 09 August 2014, 21:52:22

REALLY crappy.

To be fair, though, the Wizards SW development team was dealing with a lot of issues when they were putting together their miniature game rules for their ship-to-ship tabletop combat system.

I'm not saying that it excuses the rather lackluster result of the rules-set, but I can appreciate that if they had better support and keener developers, this really could have been a great game.

I am Belch II · « **Reply #61 on:** 17 August 2014, 23:35:30 »

Attack Wing is good for a couple of ships vs ships but not a good game for much larger then that. I'm sure Star Wars game will be the same.

Scotty · « **Reply #62 on:** 18 August 2014, 00:14:16 »

Well, the same-scale Star Wars game is much better at it (I've seen 16 in a tournament game before). Armada looks like it handles larger ships (relative to the table) but does it smoothly enough.

Weirdo · « **Reply #63 on:** 18 August 2014, 00:21:16 »

Quote from: YingJanshi on 17 August 2014, 16:24:06

Hm...this might make better miniatures for the game. Maybe a bit big though...

They're gorgeous figures, but there's nothing resembling a scale, though. From what I've seen, all the minis are sized to the box instead of to each other.

I have heard their Norexan will be pretty close to 1/7000, which I dearly hope. That's the scale I collect TNG and later ships at.

Lorcan Nagle · « **Reply #64 on:** 18 August 2014, 00:23:53 »

They launched that magazine over here last year, they're not to any sort of scale, but I did have the same thought of using them toplay attack wing.

(SMD)MadCow · « **Reply #65 on:** 20 August 2014, 13:55:10 »

I have the Jem Hadar Attack Cruiser from that line, its about 4x the size of the AW one.

I am Belch II · « **Reply #66 on:** 20 August 2014, 17:37:49 »

Quote from: (SMD)MadCow on 20 August 2014, 13:55:10

I have the Jem Hadar Attack Cruiser from that line, its about 4x the size of the AW one.

I can't wait for the Battleship. It should be a nice size for the game.

I am Belch II · « **Reply #67 on:** 25 August 2014, 05:30:48 »

I know this is a Attack Wing tread.

But here is the list for Wave 1 of the Star Wars Armada list.

http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/29450.html

Stormlion1 · « **Reply #68 on:** 25 August 2014, 10:42:09 »

So far they seem to be sticking to smaller ships. The most expensive though is the Assault Frigate. Big boy too. I have a feeling Imperial Star Destroyers will be about in the same price range.