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Re: What Clans favored aerospace and combined arms warfare
« Reply #30 on: 02 September 2019, 18:53:55 »
The other thing is this . . . and it never/rarely gets talked about.  The Spirits have NO Aero assets attached to their ground clusters (cause that is the way Kerensky made them by . . . Kerensky!) but are fluffed to have suitable assets for escorting/protecting ground operations.  I mean, they had enough to break the Adder blockade of York when they decided to do so . . . and they are the outlier.  Then you have the aeros assigned to warships, jumpships like the Hunter (or whatever the Falcons made), and carrier DS that are assigned to naval stars rather than to load aeros attached to ground forces.  Its enough aeros out there that the Vipers were able to make a run at the Ravens' (acknowledged naval masters) nest of Lum.

Makes it sort of hard to judge what any Clan has for aero.

I was just going by what clusters were composed of mostly aero space fighters. I would imagine each clan has even more aero fighters and even marine infantry assigned to each clans navy.

Besides the Huey assault tank for artillery did any clan have field artillery or like a towed gun

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Re: What Clans favored aerospace and combined arms warfare
« Reply #31 on: 02 September 2019, 21:10:33 »
They would have all the SLDF stuff in the secondline and garrison clusters . . . if they had any tube, IMO it would be left over stuff.  The only 'new' artillery we ever see them building is A4 systems- Bowman & Naga.
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Re: What Clans favored aerospace and combined arms warfare
« Reply #32 on: 02 September 2019, 21:29:56 »
The weird thing is when you look at how many Clan mechs are equipped with TAG.  Even things like the Cauldron Born have a TAG packing variant.
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Re: What Clans favored aerospace and combined arms warfare
« Reply #33 on: 02 September 2019, 22:04:46 »
Besides the Huey assault tank for artillery did any clan have field artillery or like a towed gun

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Re: What Clans favored aerospace and combined arms warfare
« Reply #34 on: 02 September 2019, 23:33:11 »
The weird thing is when you look at how many Clan mechs are equipped with TAG.  Even things like the Cauldron Born have a TAG packing variant.

Fortifications . . . dezgra bandits hiding behind a embankment.
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Re: What Clans favored aerospace and combined arms warfare
« Reply #35 on: 03 September 2019, 10:37:50 »
The point is that it means that Arrow IV systems must be more widespread among the Clans than is generally portrayed for the TAG to be anything other than a paperweight.
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Re: What Clans favored aerospace and combined arms warfare
« Reply #36 on: 03 September 2019, 10:57:32 »
I agree, my point was that among the Clans it may be dishonorable to use artillery against other mechs but they do not feel that way against fortifications or even likely conventional arms.  We know this, b/c the Horses get pissed when other Clans slight their armor & infantry by leaving them out of zell.  So you are piloting that Ghost Bear Cauldron Born that has a TAG on it, your ASF support may throw some A4 in the direction of tanks and you will have no loss of honor putting that laser on some old SL era Puma assault tank while dueling with a Horses' Hellbringer.

Remember, unlike Thumper/Sniper/Long Tom the A4 missile can be part of the bomb load.  THAT is where I would expect that the Omni TAG comes in.
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Re: What Clans favored aerospace and combined arms warfare
« Reply #37 on: 03 September 2019, 11:08:07 »
When you take a look to the old RAT in FM:U, you see that many clans have some artillery on their tank lists. Not only the Huey, but also Padilla and Chaparral - and even Marksman.
While they do not use that on their regular trials, it seems the clans still have an idea how full scale war is done. That high number in conventional forces and naval assets are stupid, when all their conflicts are settled with small trials. The few times they have to fight some dark caste or the matter they need to defend all installations against dark caste raids, do also not count for that high numbers.
It's just like they knew those assets will be needed and must be trained when they go back to the IS. But then again, they don't use them.

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Re: What Clans favored aerospace and combined arms warfare
« Reply #38 on: 03 September 2019, 14:04:47 »
Well, conventional forces is where they place the failures and disgraced- its better to keep them on the inside rather than turning them loose- it is a safety valve.  Each Clan also generally has a rival where the rules are thrown out the window- Vipers vs Ravens, Horses vs Bears, Spirits vs anyone landing on York, etc.  They also get used like the Hellion's Flurry clusters- 'Take this Vedette and go buy time for your betters!'  In addition, most conventional forces we are told about are green gunnery, not at full strength and in bad material condition which suggest some pretty interesting things.  Lack of ammunition and time on training ranges to practice gunnery skills with no simulators.  Tanks and vehicles at the bottom of the list for spare parts or even weapon systems-  if a garrison cluster has a cERLL damaged during a field exercise and no spares, do you think that solahma trinary's Ares medium tank is going to keep its cERLL?  do you think the Star Colonel of the garrison cluster going to feel the need to request a new cERLL through the supply chain still?  do you think the solahma's Star Captain would challenge the Star Colonel to a Trial of Refusal over the cERLL being taken?  When its time for the merchant who runs the touman's supply chain to fill the monthly requisitions, who gets a new cERLL- the frontline Cluster that just had a star defend against a rival Clan taking a month's production of DHS & submitted a request in the last week or a solahma trinary who submitted the request four montsh ago and is never intended to see action?

Such was the condition before the Invasion amidst most Clans- which explains how the Falcon's vehicle 'experiments' failed- but MOST of the Invader Clans adapted to the need for larger forces.  It is also unlikely a frontline cluster will bid in garrison or solahma vehicles against a opponent in a Trial, so a Omni with TAG is more likely for support from AS than vehicle artillery . . . and the Horses & Wolves are about the only ones to mix artillery mechs in with frontline forces afaik.
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Re: What Clans favored aerospace and combined arms warfare
« Reply #39 on: 05 September 2019, 19:38:28 »
It seems like in the dark age clan diamond shark/sea fox makes alot of the new vehicles i would assume they use them in their touman as well. Did the smoke jags ever use any conventional infantry or vehicles in their touman.

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Re: What Clans favored aerospace and combined arms warfare
« Reply #40 on: 05 September 2019, 19:56:21 »
There are references to the Jags having ground vehicles: the Indra matches the description of one that was used to shift Hohiro Kurita around after he was captured.  It's likely that they also had small amounts of conventional infantry as well.

However, its doubtful that such tasks were for anything other than putting down lower caste insurrection.
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