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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #150 on: 25 November 2015, 22:17:25 »
Both variants of the scarabus have TSM which only works when a mech hits a heat scale of 1 or more but neither scarabus has an OV value.  Neither is able to activate their TSM

This is covered in the current AS errata, which allows them to activate it.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #151 on: 26 November 2015, 18:34:55 »
Not sure if this is the place to post this but:

The Chameleon TRC-4B in the MUL shows the unit is available in the RS 3058 Uu-I but when I check the actually book that unit doesn't exist.

But there is a Chameleon CLN-4V which is missing from the MUL.  I'm wondering if these are different units or the same.  If they are the same which would be the correct designation.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #154 on: 26 November 2015, 23:48:49 »
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http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3110/stuka-stu-k5

On the Aerospace fighter cards the Engine Hit critical is listed as "1/4" move.  The Critical hit as described in Alpha strike page 58 says...

Engine Hit (Aerospace Fighters, Conventional Fighters, and Fixed-Wing Support Vehicles):
The unit’s power system is damaged. For fighters and fixed-wing support vehicles, the first engine hit reduces the unit to half its Thrust rating (round down, to a minimum of 1 Thrust lost).

Is the 1/4 move is error and should be corrected to one half. 

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #155 on: 27 November 2015, 17:48:15 »
Although I know it's still a "draft" era, the availabilities for the Skandi VTOL seem funky for the Early Republic time period.
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« Reply #156 on: 27 November 2015, 18:40:04 »
Although I know it's still a "draft" era, the availabilities for the Skandi VTOL seem funky for the Early Republic time period.

You are going to have to be more specific.
Note the intro date of 3099, and the Early Republic era ends in 3100.  It didn't spread to everyone that first year.
Or is there a specific faction that should or should not be listed?
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #157 on: 27 November 2015, 18:52:10 »
You are going to have to be more specific.
Note the intro date of 3099, and the Early Republic era ends in 3100.  It didn't spread to everyone that first year.
Or is there a specific faction that should or should not be listed?

Sorry, right. It was first produced by the Jade Falcons on Pandora (they're missing from the faction list), but I'd also be surprised if the Republic of the Sphere were to buy it from them. Then the Lyrans took control of the planet at some point, but I'm not sure when that happened.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #158 on: 27 November 2015, 20:05:58 »
Yeah. It looks like its production got moved during development of 3145...checking to make sure I'm not missing anything else...
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #159 on: 29 November 2015, 05:49:09 »
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5610/battle-taxi-nl-43

This is listed as being 200 tons, but this is in fact the 100 ton Fighter from XTRO Phantoms. The rest of the data is correct (it shows up under Fighters in the MUL). However, the image is wrong as it should use the image of the NL-42 according to XTRO Phantoms.

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« Reply #160 on: 29 November 2015, 09:18:50 »
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5610/battle-taxi-nl-43

This is listed as being 200 tons, but this is in fact the 100 ton Fighter from XTRO Phantoms. The rest of the data is correct (it shows up under Fighters in the MUL). However, the image is wrong as it should use the image of the NL-42 according to XTRO Phantoms.

Tonnage fixed. Unless I'm missing some errata somewhere, that is the image out of the XTRO and directly from the record sheet.

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« Reply #161 on: 29 November 2015, 10:45:15 »
Entry 2978, "Sniper House Dai Dai Chi Snipers."

Problem/solution: As above, this is listed (and on its card) as "House Dai Dai Chi." Per TR3085 (and other sources), should be "Dai Da Chi."
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #162 on: 29 November 2015, 12:21:12 »
Entry 2978, "Sniper House Dai Dai Chi Snipers."

Problem/solution: As above, this is listed (and on its card) as "House Dai Dai Chi." Per TR3085 (and other sources), should be "Dai Da Chi."

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« Reply #163 on: 30 November 2015, 08:54:12 »
Sorry, right. It was first produced by the Jade Falcons on Pandora (they're missing from the faction list), but I'd also be surprised if the Republic of the Sphere were to buy it from them. Then the Lyrans took control of the planet at some point, but I'm not sure when that happened.

Yep, I missed the change.  Skadi is Clan Jade Falcon only for the Early Republic era.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #164 on: 04 December 2015, 09:07:33 »
according to the MUL the Grenadier II D configuration is available only to the RoTS and not to the FS.
However we have the following description from XTRO:Republic volume 3 page 16 "Having self-supporting artillery deployed by battle armor also added to the Capellans’ confusion
on Marlette."

According to TRO 3150 the defending unit that fought on this FS world was the 5th Crucis Lancers, a FS unit.
It seems to me this configuration should also be available to the FS.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #165 on: 06 December 2015, 21:23:40 »
The Battle Value for the Wendigo C appears to be incorrectly listed as 2,548. My calculations along with those from MML come out to 2,623. The calculations are as follows:

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Defensive Battle Rating
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  Armor (Laser Reflective):                     182 x 2.5 x 1.5             682.500             
  Internal Structure (Endo Steel w/ XL Engine): 83 x 1.5 x 1 x 0.75  (+)     93.375  =   775.875
  Gyro (Standard):                              50 x 0.5             (+)     25.000  =   800.875
  Explosive Equipment:                          4 Critical Spaces    (-)      4.000  =   796.875
  Defensive Movement Factor:                    +4                   (*)       1.40  = 1,115.625
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Final Defensive Battle Rating:                                                         1,115.625

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Offensive Battle Rating
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  Offensive Equipment:                                                                         
       ER Small Laser                                                        15.500             
       Improved Heavy Large Laser                                    (+)    296.000  =   311.500
       Improved Heavy Medium Laser                                   (+)     93.000  =   404.500
       Improved Heavy Medium Laser                                   (+)     93.000  =   497.500
       Streak LRM 15                                                 (+)    259.000  =   756.500
       Streak LRM 15 (Ammo 8)                                        (+)     32.000  =   788.500
       Streak LRM 15 (Ammo 8)                                        (+)     32.000  =   820.500
  Total 'Mech Tonnage:                                               (+)     50.000  =   870.500
  Speed Factor:                                 12 (Run) + 0 (Jump)  (*)      1.890  = 1,645.245
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Final Offensive Battle Rating:                                                         1,645.245

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BattleMech Battle Value
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  Defensive Battle Rating:                                                1,115.625             
  Offensive Battle Rating:                                           (+)  1,645.245  = 2,760.870
  Cockpit (Torso-Mounted):                                           (*)       0.95  = 2,622.827
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Final BattleMech Battle Value:                                                             2,623

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #166 on: 07 December 2015, 20:30:00 »
The Battle Value for the Wendigo C appears to be incorrectly listed as 2,548. My calculations along with those from MML come out to 2,623. The calculations are as follows:
Looks correct to me. Entry has been corrected.

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« Reply #167 on: 09 December 2015, 19:23:38 »
Hi!

The MUL stat cards for Nephilim battle armour - http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Filter?Name=nephilim - all show movement 4".

Other non-jumping BA, such as the Shedu, Se'irim, or (for the heretics) Grenadier, show their movement as being foot mode - eg. 6"f, 6"f, and 4"f respectively.

Suggested correction - update the Nephilim entries to show movement 4"f.

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« Reply #168 on: 10 December 2015, 08:14:34 »
Nice catch, all Nephilim entries corrected. Thank you much.

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« Reply #169 on: 11 December 2015, 15:31:01 »
The Battle Value for the Quickdraw QKD-8X appears to be incorrectly listed as 1,580. My calculations along with those from MML come out to 1,612. Not quite sure where the discrepancy may lie. The calculations are as follows:

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Defensive Battle Rating
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  Armor (Stealth):                                  232 x 2.5 x 1            580.000             
  Internal Structure (Endo Steel w/ Fusion Engine): 99 x 1.5 x 1 x 1  (+)    148.500  =   728.500
  Gyro (Compact):                                   60 x 0.5          (+)     30.000  =   758.500
  Defensive Equipment:                                                                           
       Guardian ECM Suite                                             (+)     61.000  =   819.500
  Defensive Movement Factor:                        +3 (w/ Stealth)   (*)       1.50  = 1,229.250
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Final Defensive Battle Rating:                                                          1,229.250

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Offensive Battle Rating
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  Offensive Equipment:                                                                           
       Medium Laser (R)                                                       23.000             
       Medium Laser (R)                                               (+)     23.000  =    46.000
       PPC (T)                                                        (+)    176.000  =   222.000
  Total 'Mech Tonnage:                                                (+)     90.000  =   312.000
  Speed Factor:                                     9 (Run) + 0 (Jump)(*)      1.500  =   468.000
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Final Offensive Battle Rating:                                                            468.000

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BattleMech Battle Value
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  Defensive Battle Rating:                                                 1,229.250             
  Offensive Battle Rating:                                            (+)    468.000  = 1,697.250
  Cockpit (Torso-Mounted):                                            (*)       0.95  = 1,612.388
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Final BattleMech Battle Value:                                                              1,612

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« Reply #170 on: 11 December 2015, 15:59:54 »
The Battle Value for the Violator VT-U1 appears to be incorrectly listed as 926. My calculations along with those from MML come out to 928. Not quite sure where the discrepancy may lie. The calculations are as follows:

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Defensive Battle Rating
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  Armor (Standard):                                 144 x 2.5 x 1            360.000             
  Internal Structure (Endo Steel w/ Fusion Engine): 75 x 1.5 x 1 x 1  (+)    112.500  =   472.500
  Gyro (Standard):                                  45 x 0.5          (+)     22.500  =   495.000
  Armored Components:                                                                           
       Cockpit                                                        (+)      5.000  =   500.000
  Defensive Movement Factor:                        +3                (*)       1.30  =   650.000
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Final Defensive Battle Rating:                                                            650.000

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Offensive Battle Rating
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  Offensive Equipment:                                                                           
       Claws                                                                   8.925             
       Mining Drill                                                   (+)      6.000  =    14.925
       MRM 10 (Ammo 24)                                               (+)      7.000  =    21.925
       MRM 10 (Ammo 24)                                               (+)      7.000  =    28.925
       MRM 10                                                         (+)     64.400  =    93.325
       MRM 10                                                         (+)     64.400  =   157.725
  Total 'Mech Tonnage:                                                (+)     45.000  =   202.725
  Speed Factor:                                     8 (Run) + 0 (Jump)(*)      1.370  =   277.733
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Final Offensive Battle Rating:                                                            277.733

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BattleMech Battle Value
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  Defensive Battle Rating:                                                   650.000             
  Offensive Battle Rating:                                            (+)    277.733  =   927.733
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Final BattleMech Battle Value:                                                                928

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« Reply #171 on: 11 December 2015, 23:39:26 »
The Battle Value for the Tenshi TN-10-OA appears to be incorrectly listed as 1,830. My calculations come out to 1,829 (a small difference). MML appears way off because they subtract 15 for some reason. Probably just some rounding error, my calculations are as follows:

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Defensive Battle Rating
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  Armor (Standard):                                           293 x 2.5 x 1                732.500             
  Internal Structure (Endo-Composite w/ Light Fusion Engine): 145 x 1.5 x 1 x 0.75  (+)    163.125  =   895.625
  Gyro (Compact):                                             95 x 0.5              (+)     47.500  =   943.125
  Explosive Equipment:                                        2 Critical Spaces     (-)      2.000  =   941.125
  Defensive Movement Factor:                                  +2                    (*)       1.20  = 1,129.350
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Final Defensive Battle Rating:                                                                        1,129.350

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Offensive Battle Rating
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  Offensive Equipment:                                                                                         
       Large VSP Laser                                                                     123.000             
       Large VSP Laser                                                              (+)    123.000  =   246.000
       Large VSP Laser                                                              (+)    123.000  =   369.000
       MRM 30 (Ammo 8)                                                              (+)     21.000  =   390.000
       MRM 30 (Ammo 8)                                                              (+)     21.000  =   411.000
       MRM 30                                                                       (+)    193.200  =   604.200
  Total 'Mech Tonnage:                                                              (+)     95.000  =   699.200
  Speed Factor:                                               5 (Run) + 0 (Jump)    (*)      1.000  =   699.200
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Final Offensive Battle Rating:                                                                          699.200

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BattleMech Battle Value
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  Defensive Battle Rating:                                                               1,129.350             
  Offensive Battle Rating:                                                          (+)    699.200  = 1,828.550
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Final BattleMech Battle Value:                                                                            1,829

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #172 on: 14 December 2015, 18:54:46 »
The Battle Value for the Beowulf BEO-14 appears to be incorrectly listed as 1,265. My calculations (as well as those from MML) come out to 1,287. My calculations are as follows:

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Defensive Battle Rating
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  Armor (Ferro-Fibrous):                      152 x 2.5 x 1              380.000             
  Internal Structure (Standard w/ XL Engine): 75 x 1.5 x 1 x 0.5  (+)     56.250  =   436.250
  Gyro (Standard):                            45 x 0.5            (+)     22.500  =   458.750
  Defensive Equipment:                                                                       
       Beagle Active Probe                                        (+)     10.000  =   468.750
  Defensive Movement Factor:                  +4                  (*)       1.40  =   656.250
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Final Defensive Battle Rating:                                                        656.250

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Offensive Battle Rating
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  Offensive Equipment:                                                                       
       ER Medium Laser                                                    62.000             
       ER Small Laser                                             (+)     17.000  =    79.000
       ER Small Laser                                             (+)      8.500  =    87.500
       Medium VSP Laser                                           (+)     56.000  =   143.500
       Medium VSP Laser                                           (+)     56.000  =   199.500
       Small Laser                                                (+)      4.500  =   204.000
       Sword                                                      (+)     20.700  =   224.700
  Total 'Mech Tonnage:                                            (+)     67.500  =   292.200
  Speed Factor:                               11 (Run) + 3 (Jump) (*)      2.160  =   631.152
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Final Offensive Battle Rating:                                                        631.152

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BattleMech Battle Value
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  Defensive Battle Rating:                                               656.250             
  Offensive Battle Rating:                                        (+)    631.152  = 1,287.402
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Final BattleMech Battle Value:                                                          1,287

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #173 on: 16 December 2015, 11:59:30 »
The Battle Value for the Ti Ts'ang TSG-9C appears to be incorrectly listed as 1,950. My calculations (as well as those from MML) come out to 1,989. My calculations are as follows:

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  Armor (Standard):                             200 x 2.5 x 1              500.000             
  Internal Structure (Endo Steel w/ XL Engine): 99 x 1.5 x 1 x 0.5  (+)     74.250  =   574.250
  Gyro (Standard):                              60 x 0.5            (+)     30.000  =   604.250
  Defensive Movement Factor:                    +4                  (*)       1.40  =   845.950
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Final Defensive Battle Rating:                                                          845.950

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Offensive Battle Rating
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  Offensive Equipment:                                                                         
       ER Medium Laser                                                      62.000             
       ER Medium Laser                                              (+)     62.000  =   124.000
       ER Small Laser                                               (+)      8.500  =   132.500
       ER Small Laser                                               (+)      8.500  =   141.000
       Hatchet                                                      (+)     36.000  =   177.000
       Plasma Rifle                                                 (+)    210.000  =   387.000
       Plasma Rifle (Ammo 10)                                       (+)     26.000  =   413.000
       Plasma Rifle (Ammo 10)                                       (+)     26.000  =   439.000
  Total 'Mech Tonnage:                                              (+)     90.000  =   529.000
  Speed Factor:                                 11 (Run) + 3 (Jump) (*)      2.160  = 1,142.640
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Final Offensive Battle Rating:                                                        1,142.640

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BattleMech Battle Value
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  Defensive Battle Rating:                                                 845.950             
  Offensive Battle Rating:                                          (+)  1,142.640  = 1,988.590
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Final BattleMech Battle Value:                                                            1,989

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #174 on: 18 December 2015, 17:01:26 »
I'm not sure if I should ask here or make an update elsewhere.

The Vulture Mk III (Prime, A-D variants) are all listed as Advanced Rules on the MUL (linky thingy)

Per TRO3145: Clans p.40-41, and RS3145_unabridged p.450-454... I don't see any advanced equipment among any of the appropriate variants.

Should these all be "Standard" Rules level?  Or is there another reason they've been labeled "Advanced" ?
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #175 on: 19 December 2015, 09:05:27 »
The MUL used to list unit cost (where available) in the table format (I think), is there a way to display this field while searching the MUL?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #176 on: 19 December 2015, 12:18:32 »
There currently isn't a way to add the cost to the table without doing it for everybody. I'm not sure we have room for cost without replacing another column (or at least for screen resolutions of 1920 or less.) The mobile version is even more pressed for space.
Side note on the subject: Less than half of the units in the MUL actually have a CBill cost so I'm not sure if it will really be useful to add it only to see a lot of 0s.

The Vulture Mk III (Prime, A-D variants) are all listed as Advanced Rules on the MUL (linky thingy)
I suspect it was in error when it was entered. It is fixed.


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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #177 on: 21 December 2015, 10:19:39 »
The Battle Value for the Thunder Stallion 3 appears to be incorrectly listed as 2,667 (which matches MML). My calculations come out to 2,631. I believe the discrepancy is due to the fact that the ammo in the right front leg is not being counted as explosive whereas it should as per the latest BV rules. My calculations are as follows:

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  Armor (Standard):                               279 x 2.5 x 1             697.500             
  Internal Structure (Standard w/ Fusion Engine): 138 x 1.5 x 1 x 1  (+)    207.000  =   904.500
  Gyro (Standard):                                85 x 0.5           (+)     42.500  =   947.000
  Defensive Equipment:                                                                         
       ECM Suite                                                     (+)     61.000  = 1,008.000
  Explosive Ammunition:                           2 Critical Spaces  (-)     30.000  =   978.000
  Defensive Movement Factor:                      +2                 (*)       1.20  = 1,173.600
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Final Defensive Battle Rating:                                                         1,173.600

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Offensive Battle Rating
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  Offensive Equipment:                                                                         
       ER Medium Laser                                                      108.000             
       Hyper-Assault Gauss 40                                        (+)    535.000  =   643.000
       Hyper-Assault Gauss 40 (Ammo 3)                               (+)     67.000  =   710.000
       Hyper-Assault Gauss 40 (Ammo 3)                               (+)     67.000  =   777.000
       Hyper-Assault Gauss 40 (Ammo 3)                               (+)     67.000  =   844.000
       Hyper-Assault Gauss 40 (Ammo 3)                               (+)     67.000  =   911.000
       Hyper-Assault Gauss 40 (Ammo 3)                               (+)     67.000  =   978.000
       Hyper-Assault Gauss 40 (Ammo 3)                               (+)     67.000  = 1,045.000
       LB 20-X AC                                                    (+)    237.000  = 1,282.000
       LB 20-X AC (Ammo 5)                                           (+)     30.000  = 1,312.000
       LB 20-X AC (Ammo 5)                                           (+)     30.000  = 1,342.000
       LB 20-X AC (Ammo 5)                                           (+)     30.000  = 1,372.000
  Total 'Mech Tonnage:                                               (+)     85.000  = 1,457.000
  Speed Factor:                                   5 (Run) + 0 (Jump) (*)      1.000  = 1,457.000
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Final Offensive Battle Rating:                                                         1,457.000

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BattleMech Battle Value
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  Defensive Battle Rating:                                                1,173.600             
  Offensive Battle Rating:                                           (+)  1,457.000  = 2,630.600
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Final BattleMech Battle Value:                                                             2,631

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #178 on: 21 December 2015, 12:43:49 »
All Hollander III variants (BZK-D1, BZK-D2, and BZK-D3) are listed as being Standard. However, due to the fact each has Laser Reflective armor, they should be listed as Advanced.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread II - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #179 on: 21 December 2015, 13:07:45 »
The Battle Value for the Scarecrow UCU-F4 appears to be incorrectly listed as 1,410. My calculations (as well as those from MML) come out to 1,475. Discrepancies could be due to BV rule changes for Chameleon LPS? My calculations are as follows:

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  Armor (Standard):                                 128 x 2.5 x 1                 320.000             
  Internal Structure (Endo-Composite w/ XL Engine): 67 x 1.5 x 1 x 0.5     (+)     50.250  =   370.250
  Gyro (Compact):                                   40 x 0.5               (+)     20.000  =   390.250
  Defensive Equipment:                                                                               
       Anti-Battle Armor Pod                                               (+)      2.000  =   392.250
       Anti-Battle Armor Pod                                               (+)      2.000  =   394.250
       Bloodhound Active Probe                                             (+)     25.000  =   419.250
  Defensive Movement Factor:                        +3 (w/ Chameleon LPS)  (*)       1.50  =   628.875
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Final Defensive Battle Rating:                                                                 628.875

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Offensive Battle Rating
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  Offensive Equipment:                                                                               
       ER Flamer                                                                    8.000             
       ER Flamer                                                           (+)      8.000  =    16.000
       ER Medium Laser (C)                                                 (+)    108.000  =   124.000
       ER Medium Laser (C)                                                 (+)    108.000  =   232.000
       ER Medium Laser (C)                                                 (+)    108.000  =   340.000
       Light Machine Gun (Ammo 100) (C)                                    (+)      0.500  =   340.500
       Light Machine Gun (Array) (C)                                       (+)      8.350  =   348.850
       Light Machine Gun (Array) (C)                                       (+)      8.350  =   357.200
       Light Machine Gun (Array) (C)                                       (+)      8.350  =   365.550
       Light Machine Gun (Array) (C)                                       (+)      8.350  =   373.900
       Light Machine Gun (Array) (C)                                       (+)      8.350  =   382.250
       Light Machine Gun (Array) (C)                                       (+)      8.350  =   390.600
       Light Machine Gun (Array) (C)                                       (+)      8.350  =   398.950
       Light Machine Gun (Array) (C)                                       (+)      8.350  =   407.300
       Medium Pulse Laser                                                  (+)     24.000  =   431.300
       Medium Pulse Laser                                                  (+)     48.000  =   479.300
  Total 'Mech Tonnage:                                                     (+)     40.000  =   519.300
  Speed Factor:                                     8 (Run) + 2 (Jump)     (*)      1.630  =   846.459
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Final Offensive Battle Rating:                                                                 846.459

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BattleMech Battle Value
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  Defensive Battle Rating:                                                        628.875             
  Offensive Battle Rating:                                                 (+)    846.459  = 1,475.334
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Final BattleMech Battle Value:                                                                   1,475

 

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