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Metal Mini Discussion
« on: 14 June 2019, 06:05:27 »
When can we expect them to come out in Metal? :D

Mechs need to be made out of metal, darn it!

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Re: Metal Mini Discussion
« Reply #1 on: 14 June 2019, 06:43:23 »
I agree, but in this case I will make an exception.

My unseen Marauder fell apart and I lost parts of it during moves while in the Navy. I was getting ready to kit bash one to get a similar look to this one. But I am sure it would not look as nice, so I will wait and pick up the packs.

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Re: Metal Mini Discussion
« Reply #2 on: 14 June 2019, 07:16:41 »
When can we expect them to come out in Metal? :D

Mechs need to be made out of metal, darn it!

Disagree completely.

I love the fine folks at IWM, but the more plastic mechs, the better. They're cheaper, easier to mod if you want to, easier to take right out of the box and prime and paint if you want to, and they come with their own base.
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Re: Metal Mini Discussion
« Reply #3 on: 14 June 2019, 07:28:22 »
Disagree completely.

I love the fine folks at IWM, but the more plastic mechs, the better. They're cheaper, easier to mod if you want to, easier to take right out of the box and prime and paint if you want to, and they come with their own base.

Also these models are phenomenal.  I don't understand what I could even complain about.
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Re: Metal Mini Discussion
« Reply #4 on: 14 June 2019, 07:31:43 »
Disagree completely.

I love the fine folks at IWM, but the more plastic mechs, the better. They're cheaper, easier to mod if you want to, easier to take right out of the box and prime and paint if you want to, and they come with their own base.

...and so much more robust in regards to holding paint during the rigours of gaming and transporting...and also fall apart much less often that multi-part metal mini's do. I've got lots of metal miniatures, and will continue to buy metal miniatures to supplement collections where I need to, however given a choice between high quality plastic and metal, I'll choose the former every time.

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« Reply #5 on: 14 June 2019, 08:29:55 »
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Why not both?

I prefer metal myself, but when we had a campaign going for a year, I liked using plastics because I could hand those off to people and barely care if they're mishandled. Print plastic, keep metal an option.
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Re: Metal Mini Discussion
« Reply #6 on: 14 June 2019, 10:37:51 »
I prefer plastic over metal: easier to handle, transport and paint IMO. Plus it holds up the rigors of playing the game better. My only wish was the plastics can unassembled. I understand why they come assembled in the boxes so people can just pull them out and play but I would love a option to come in pieces so I can tailor them without having to break them apart. Just  minor thing when comparing to metal  8)

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Re: Metal Mini Discussion
« Reply #7 on: 14 June 2019, 11:04:35 »
At least one of them is already in metal, albeit as a GenCon 2018 limited release :P

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Re: Metal Mini Discussion
« Reply #8 on: 14 June 2019, 11:06:16 »
I'd much prefer plastic over metal when given a choice, although both have their merits:

Plastic: Easier in general to work with, especially in assembly (and since BT plastics are one piece/pre-assembled [barring a couple of exceptions], this isn't even an issue), holds gesso better (I find that I have to do a lot less touchup when priming a plastic mini as opposed to a metal), more resilient to damage from drops or falls due to them being lighter and made of materials that are more impact-tolerant

Metal: Often gets crisper castings (though the newer plastics are mitigating this issue  :thumbsup: ), weightier and not as easily knocked over, multi-part castings are easier to pose for variety (try as I might, I can't get the hang of Worktroll's boiling-water-and-exacto-knife method of cutting and reposing plastics without them looking battle damaged and/or being commissions from Jack the Ripper ::) )

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Re: Metal Mini Discussion
« Reply #9 on: 14 June 2019, 11:09:35 »
That brick on the right is supposed to be a Wasp?!  ???

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Re: Metal Mini Discussion
« Reply #10 on: 14 June 2019, 11:46:22 »
multi-part castings are easier to pose for variety (try as I might, I can't get the hang of Worktroll's boiling-water-and-exacto-knife method of cutting and reposing plastics without them looking battle damaged and/or being commissions from Jack the Ripper ::) )

I just cut at the seams and joints, I only have 2 of the new ones and so I am not hacking them up.  I need the GoAC box to come back in.
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Re: Metal Mini Discussion
« Reply #11 on: 14 June 2019, 12:42:55 »
That brick on the right is supposed to be a Wasp?!  ???

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Re: Metal Mini Discussion
« Reply #12 on: 14 June 2019, 12:45:02 »
I'm quite satisfied by the detail on these that I'd happily mix metal and plastic. *However*, when I base the mini (I usually make and bake out of sculpy), I fully intend to embed weights in the clay so that they have a similar kind of heft when lifting them. Something like fender washers or similar.
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« Reply #13 on: 14 June 2019, 12:46:46 »
Well, there is a posted pic out there somewhere, where the poster joked we have an armored and endo skeleton version of the wasp :P

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« Reply #14 on: 14 June 2019, 12:47:47 »
Plastic all the way. Metal is the past, and should increasingly stay there.
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« Reply #15 on: 14 June 2019, 12:51:46 »
I'm pretty sure IWM (and their multiple fan funding threads) will disagree with your there...

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« Reply #16 on: 14 June 2019, 12:52:34 »
I'm pretty sure IWM (and their multiple fan funding threads) will disagree with your there...
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« Reply #17 on: 14 June 2019, 12:55:18 »
I dunno about a big range of plastics unless 3D printing becomes affordably viable but I feel like the Greatest Hits™️ should be readily available. I’m always weary of Kickstarter because of all the nightmare stories (especially Robotech) but if this new effort proves successful in execution, I could see myself backing two to three additional packs per year if they offered the opportunity

I'm pretty sure IWM (and their multiple fan funding threads) will disagree with your there...

Tbf we who back the iwm projects are a fairly small audience putting up under $1000 for something they know isn’t ever going to be a big seller. It’s profoundly generous of IWM to even go through with the process.

With pewter getting more expensive and 3D printing creeping toward viability, it’s only a matter of time

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« Reply #18 on: 14 June 2019, 12:55:40 »
He’s been lifting fueled by revenge since 1996. I’ve heard rumors of canopian steroids as well but that’s third hand information

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« Reply #19 on: 14 June 2019, 12:58:51 »

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« Reply #20 on: 14 June 2019, 13:02:13 »
I still hold out hope for the fear of lead to fade into history (where it also belongs).  I think the economics of lead vs. plastic are significantly different than pewter vs. plastic.

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« Reply #21 on: 14 June 2019, 13:04:22 »
And now that I can see NeonKnight's picture... isn't that a Valkyrie on the right of the latest one??  It looks like an LRM-10 is in the right torso...

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« Reply #22 on: 14 June 2019, 13:06:20 »
Valkyrie was in the first one. The newest is a PP wasp. It’s an RL 10

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« Reply #23 on: 14 June 2019, 13:07:53 »
Ah, an RL-10 makes a lot more sense, thanks!

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« Reply #24 on: 14 June 2019, 13:15:36 »
And now that I can see NeonKnight's picture... isn't that a Valkyrie on the right of the latest one??  It looks like an LRM-10 is in the right torso...

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« Reply #25 on: 14 June 2019, 13:28:18 »
Heh... the funny thing is that an RL-10 weighs less than the SRM-2, so I'd think that variant actually has MORE armor...  ;D

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« Reply #26 on: 14 June 2019, 13:33:41 »
(try as I might, I can't get the hang of Worktroll's boiling-water-and-exacto-knife method of cutting and reposing plastics without them looking battle damaged and/or being commissions from Jack the Ripper ::) )

Don't use exactos, or those break-off blade knives - they're too light, the blade flexes, and it's harder to control cutting. Try a Stanley knife


And consider a razor saw



I confess I ignore the handle, I prefer the direct control. With the stanley, make sure you have no flesh in the line of cutting (pro tip! We bleed inside over our minis, keep it there ;) ), and use a firm rocking action. With the razor saw, just pull it back & forth.

If the blade has any flex in it, that's where I find my problems starting. Stanley knives should be in any hardware store, most hobby stores will have razor saws.

Plastic vs. metal? Plastics are just so much easier. Metal multi-part? Some are intelligently designed to be easy - the resculpt Uller is a great one. But the main culprits IMHO are poorly thought out tiny contact points, and multi-part legs. I'll use the reseen Archer as a great example of this done well (mainly) - feet, legs and lower torso one piece, in a dynamic pose, upper torso & arms separate, so you can pose however you want without major hassle. The only downside are the pestilential missile covers, and that one lump on the back which is separate. Bad? The reseen Thud - multi-part legs which are irrelevant because the feet on the base prevents any actual posing, plus rigid arms.

Executive summary: plastic, I can paint right away, or mod to my hearts content if I want to. Metal, I may be forced to spend much time assembling, and modding can be surprisingly hard even with multi-parts - eg. I just modded a Shadow Cat to running mode over the last week, only to find the upper torso no longer sits on the lower :(

Reality? Plastic for 'core' minis, IWM continues to facilitate a wider range not cost-effective for plastic. We get choice.

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« Reply #27 on: 14 June 2019, 13:43:46 »
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This here is about it. There's no way on heaven or earth you're going to generate a line with the diversity BT has. At whatever multiple of ten thousand for a mold, it has to sell at scale. You're just plain not doing that for all 400+ units; it would be silly. For those, injection will never be the future; no market. 3D Printing? Color me interested. If there's a healthy margin and the logistics work out, it could be the print-on-demand of low-volume miniatures.
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« Reply #28 on: 14 June 2019, 13:58:08 »
3D Printing? Color me interested. If there's a healthy margin and the logistics work out, it could be the print-on-demand of low-volume miniatures.

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« Reply #29 on: 14 June 2019, 14:01:29 »
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Oh I'm spitballing as a possibility, not saying it is a viable option. Just that I could see it happening.
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