HV AC w Caseless Ammo no extra risk ?

[RifleMech]

so, we finally have the only reason anyone would build it-it's an overweight infantry support weapon that only works reliably for infantry.

It'd work for me.  :)

[Cannonshop]

It'd work for me.  :)

I'm not saying that's a bad thing.  Putting it on a vehicle is a bad thing, putting it on a 'mech is a bad thing.  Giving infantry a weapon that shoots ten point hits at PPC ranges? maybe not a bad thing-depending on how many you can fit on a platoon...

[RifleMech]

I'm not saying that's a bad thing.  Putting it on a vehicle is a bad thing, putting it on a 'mech is a bad thing.  Giving infantry a weapon that shoots ten point hits at PPC ranges? maybe not a bad thing-depending on how many you can fit on a platoon...

Per a 28 Trooper Platoon
3x HVAC/2 
2x HVAC/5 
2x HVAC/10 

[Cannonshop]

Per a 28 Trooper Platoon
3x HVAC/2 
2x HVAC/5 
2x HVAC/10

sufficient to give a defended position a real bite then, out to a useful range that makes it necessary to use anti-infantry specialist units to break the position.  Pretty this IS the 'killer app' for the HVAC.  but if it's too much of a killer application, I think we'll be looking at an errata of the errata going the other way, esp. if someone starts pairing these with LBX or Ultra autocannon armed units in BV fights.

[Wolf72]

sufficient to give a defended position a real bite then, out to a useful range that makes it necessary to use anti-infantry specialist units to break the position.  Pretty this IS the 'killer app' for the HVAC.  but if it's too much of a killer application, I think we'll be looking at an errata of the errata going the other way, esp. if someone starts pairing these with LBX or Ultra autocannon armed units in BV fights.

This reminds me of the thread where someone used 40 CF's to bomb mechs of near equal BV (I think) ... If someone spends that much BV on field guns, I would hope the opponent has a heads up.

Still, how do you retaliate when someone is shooting at you from 35 hexes with several platoons? (well besides orbital bombardments!)

[Weirdo]

Artillery. Aeros. Superfast units. Fast units plus guts. Slower units plus cover and guts.

Personally, if I suspected I was going to have to deal with HVAC platoons(or a concentration of field guns of any type, really) in a non-urban setting, my solution would be to bring a Fireball, Dart, Karnov(MG), or once we get the sheets, that Boomerang Gunship from VA:R.

Or if I'm feeling vindictive, a Turk-E. >:D

In an urban setting? Some sort of walking/rolling brick of armor to soak the hits, and motorized infantry (or maybe an anti-infantry Protomech) to move through buildings and hit them from a flank.

HVAC platoons are potentially very useful and dangerous, but I'd hardly call them broken.

[RifleMech]

sufficient to give a defended position a real bite then, out to a useful range that makes it necessary to use anti-infantry specialist units to break the position.  Pretty this IS the 'killer app' for the HVAC.  but if it's too much of a killer application, I think we'll be looking at an errata of the errata going the other way, esp. if someone starts pairing these with LBX or Ultra autocannon armed units in BV fights.

Shouldn't that be how Field Gun Platoons are arranged though? Pared with others to take advantage of range and damage so one can scoot of need to? Besides, like Weirdo said, there's ways to counter them so its all good. Depending on who's getting hit.  >:D :thumbsup:

[Weirdo]

Hmmm...a rolling pile of armor to distract a field gun nest while antipersonnel units work their way around...I think I may have found a use for the Magi... ^-^

[Wolf72]

The Helepolis just got a new role ... wait, probably had that role already, now it just has another target to add to its list.

[Daryk]

Is there a Magi variant with less Medium Lasers?  ???

[Weirdo]

I dunno what the Blakist model carries, I've never used it. That's the only nonstandard variant I know of.

[Daryk]

2 MGs just aren't enough, even with a distraction force...

[Weirdo]

I'm not so sure. A Magi coming at your platoon, you know that if you don't stop it you will die, and you also know you have very little time to do said stopping.

[Daryk]

The vehicle crit tables being what they are, I'd think any credible defense force wouldn't have to worry too much.  That said, a single platoon against a Magi doesn't exactly sound like a fair fight.

[Weirdo]

That's why I like the Magi. It's got plenty of surplus MP for soaking up motive hits.