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Notsonoble

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Vernichter ANH-3S
« on: 28 September 2019, 21:38:28 »
When the Steiners blasphemously build a better ANH...

Vernichter ANH-3S

Mass: 100 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 19,865,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,972

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 300 Light Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 32.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54.0 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Light Ferro-Fibrous w/ CASE
Armament:
    1  ER Large Laser
    4  LB 10-X ACs
    2  Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                     152 points               10.00
Engine:             Light Fusion Engine          300                      14.50
    Walking MP: 3
    Running MP: 5
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA    R: SH+UA+LA
Armor:              Light Ferro-Fibrous          AV - 228                 13.50
    Armor Locations: 1 HD, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
    CASE Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT                                             1.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     31           34       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  9         
                                           L/R Torso     21           30       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  8         
                                             L/R Arm     17           22       
                                             L/R Leg     21           28       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LB 10-X AC                                   RA        2         6        11.00
Medium Laser                                 RA        3         1         1.00
LB 10-X AC                                   LA        2         6        11.00
Medium Laser                                 LA        3         1         1.00
LB 10-X AC                                   RT        2         6        11.00
LB 10-X AC                                   LT        2         6        11.00
ER Large Laser                               CT        12        2         5.00
@LB 10-X (Cluster) (10)                      RT        -         1         1.00
@LB 10-X (Slug) (10)                         RT        -         1         1.00
@LB 10-X (Cluster) (10)                      LT        -         1         1.00
@LB 10-X (Slug) (10)                         LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 4

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      8    Points: 20
3          4       4       3       0      4     1   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, FLK 2/2/2

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Self:  Meltrans are already culture shocked, except their response is to squeal like high school girls at a boy band concert and discharge energy weapons in random directions.
Weirdo: Sounds like the proper reaction to a Macross Cannon to me.
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And of course if even a single Constitution had shown up onscreen for even a single second, you would have been able to hear the mass squeeing from orbit.

packhntr

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Re: Vernichter ANH-3S
« Reply #1 on: 30 September 2019, 06:00:26 »
OUCH
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Col Toda

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Re: Vernichter ANH-3S
« Reply #2 on: 01 October 2019, 06:06:15 »
About 6 1/2 tons light on armor and under sinked . If you remove the light ferro fibrous replace it with Endo Composite  IS you can have 2 1/2 tons more standard   armor .

Or a trade off Composite  IS with 2 extra heat sinks and 3 tons of armor  but  internal would have to rearrange  light FF armor crits for 2 HS. 

The first suggestion  adds at a guess  16 points of armor but does nothing to improve  heat balance  and you can use cheaper more available  standard  armor  . Light Ferro fibrous  is so rare you will not be salvaging any from an enemy and have to bring  replacement  armor yourself  . Clan FF is a better logistical  choice .

The second  the Internal structure  takes double damage . But address heat balance.
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Hptm. Streiger

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Re: Vernichter ANH-3S
« Reply #3 on: 01 October 2019, 08:00:09 »
The alternative is to simply drop the ER-Large Laser and reduce the "energy" weapons to the alibi- 4 M-Laser of the thunder hawk and use more ammo and armor.
14.5t LFF still not the heaviest armor, but I don't think that 4 LBX needs any additional weapons.
« Last Edit: 01 October 2019, 08:04:53 by Hptm. Streiger »
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Notsonoble

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Re: Vernichter ANH-3S
« Reply #4 on: 01 October 2019, 08:37:58 »
It's already 1.5 tons more armor than any cannon ANH, if you need armor on you ANH, you're doing something wrong. Especially one that can actually reach its target ambush in respectable time.
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Self:  Meltrans are already culture shocked, except their response is to squeal like high school girls at a boy band concert and discharge energy weapons in random directions.
Weirdo: Sounds like the proper reaction to a Macross Cannon to me.
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And of course if even a single Constitution had shown up onscreen for even a single second, you would have been able to hear the mass squeeing from orbit.

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Re: Vernichter ANH-3S
« Reply #5 on: 01 October 2019, 10:32:22 »
It's serviceable, but it's not "better" than a regular Annihilator.  It's faster, at the cost of C-Bills having engine crits extruding into the side torsos (more fragile, especially with that armor...)
Quote from: Notsonoble on 01 October 2019, 08:37:58
It's already 1.5 tons more armor than any cannon ANH, if you need armor on you ANH, you're doing something wrong. Especially one that can actually reach its target ambush in respectable time.
Both the 1G and 1X Annihilators have thicker armor (296 pts and 304 pts respectively) at around half the price tag.
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Daryk

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Re: Vernichter ANH-3S
« Reply #6 on: 01 October 2019, 15:28:11 »
The cost is mostly down to the engine.  The Lyrans would be A-OK with a 2/3 'mech.  Putting 4 LB-10Xs on a stock ANH could mean simply four more tons of armor... That would be VERY Lyran.
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Sabelkatten

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Re: Vernichter ANH-3S
« Reply #7 on: 01 October 2019, 15:56:35 »
You're not going to be punching anyone anyway, so why not put those crits to use? :)

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Mass: 100 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 21,800,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,075

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 300 Light Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 32.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54.0 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor w/ CASE
Armament:
    1  ER Large Laser
    4  LB 10-X ACs
    2  Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                   152 points                5.00
    Internal Locations: 1 HD, 2 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT, 2 LA, 3 RA, 2 LL, 2 RL
Engine:             Light Fusion Engine          300                      14.50
    Walking MP: 3
    Running MP: 5
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Compact                                                4.50
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 256                 16.00
    CASE Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT                                             1.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     31           37       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  10       
                                           L/R Torso     21           30       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  10       
                                             L/R Arm     17           30       
                                             L/R Leg     21           30       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER Large Laser                               CT        12        2         5.00
LB 10-X AC                                   RT        2         6        11.00
LB 10-X AC                                   LT        2         6        11.00
LB 10-X AC                                   RA        2         6        11.00
Medium Laser                                 RA        3         1         1.00
LB 10-X AC                                   LA        2         6        11.00
Medium Laser                                 LA        3         1         1.00
@LB 10-X (Cluster) (10)                      RT        -         1         1.00
@LB 10-X (Slug) (10)                         RT        -         1         1.00
@LB 10-X (Cluster) (10)                      LT        -         1         1.00
@LB 10-X (Slug) (10)                         LT        -         1         1.00
@LB 10-X (Cluster) (10)                      LA        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 0

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      9    Points: 21
3          4       4       3       0      4     1   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, FLK 2/2/2
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Notsonoble

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Re: Vernichter ANH-3S
« Reply #8 on: 01 October 2019, 16:26:10 »
Interesting option SK...

Quote from: Daryk on 01 October 2019, 15:28:11
The cost is mostly down to the engine.  The Lyrans would be A-OK with a 2/3 'mech.  Putting 4 LB-10Xs on a stock ANH could mean simply four more tons of armor... That would be VERY Lyran.

This is true, more armor is lyran, so is more damage...


Annihilator ANH-3P

Mass: 100 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 11,076,667 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,874

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 200 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 21.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 32.4 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor w/ CASE
Armament:
    1  PPC
    4  LB 10-X ACs
    2  Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                     152 points               10.00
Engine:             Fusion Engine                200                       8.50
    Walking MP: 2
    Running MP: 3
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT
Gyro:               Compact                                                3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA    R: SH+UA+LA
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 280                 17.50
    CASE Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT                                             1.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     31           44       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  11       
                                           L/R Torso     21           31       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  11       
                                             L/R Arm     17           29       
                                             L/R Leg     21           37       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
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LB 10-X AC                                   RA        2         6        11.00
Medium Laser                                 RA        3         1         1.00
LB 10-X AC                                   LA        2         6        11.00
Medium Laser                                 LA        3         1         1.00
LB 10-X AC                                   RT        2         6        11.00
LB 10-X AC                                   LT        2         6        11.00
PPC                                          CT        10        3         7.00
LB 10-X (Cluster) (10) Ammo                  RT        -         1         1.00
LB 10-X (Slug) (10) Ammo                     RT        -         1         1.00
LB 10-X (Cluster) (10) Ammo                  LT        -         1         1.00
LB 10-X (Slug) (10) Ammo                     LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 10

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      9    Points: 19
2          4       4       4       0      4     1   Structure:  8
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, FLK 2/2/2



Heat neutral except for mediums, 50 damage @ 12 hexes. Sub 12M price tag.
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Self:  Meltrans are already culture shocked, except their response is to squeal like high school girls at a boy band concert and discharge energy weapons in random directions.
Weirdo: Sounds like the proper reaction to a Macross Cannon to me.
Quote from: Weirdo
And of course if even a single Constitution had shown up onscreen for even a single second, you would have been able to hear the mass squeeing from orbit.

Daryk

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Re: Vernichter ANH-3S
« Reply #9 on: 01 October 2019, 16:37:59 »
Compact Gyro? ???

Well played, sir!  :thumbsup:
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Col Toda

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Re: Vernichter ANH-3S
« Reply #10 on: 02 October 2019, 14:38:24 »
Way better . Easier to use. All of these have Endurance  issues 5 shots from all LB x s for each type of ammo . Still good . That is why energy  weapons are good .  All Annihilators are artillery  fodder so it would be nice in a city hidden unit scenario  . Only needs to kill 3 TAG mounted hovertanks to break even so hits all the right points and it is cheap .
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