Author Topic: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER! (Read 221233 times)

Weirdo · « **Reply #1320 on:** 15 January 2021, 21:49:11 »

Oh hell, two Ion Raptors and two points of HMG Salamanders would be an absolutely disgusting surprise to spring on someone in tight terrain, especially if the Star is finished by a much larger machine that can draw all the attention. Now I'm really looking forward to seeing the Jade Phoenix.

Scotty · « **Reply #1321 on:** 15 January 2021, 21:50:43 »

Gnomes and Coronas are both on the IS Clan General list in the Dark Age.

Weirdo · « **Reply #1322 on:** 15 January 2021, 22:16:14 »

Coronas?! Who builds them post-Reaving?

Scotty · « **Reply #1323 on:** 15 January 2021, 22:42:51 »

Great question, sarna doesn't know the answer. If it's an error, it needs to go in the MUL thread, otherwise I'm inclined to take it at face value and think the answer is "no one, but there were a metric shit load of these things made and they're still everywhere".

truetanker · « **Reply #1324 on:** 15 January 2021, 22:58:20 »

Quote from: Scotty on 15 January 2021, 22:42:51

Great question, sarna doesn't know the answer. If it's an error, it needs to go in the MUL thread, otherwise I'm inclined to take it at face value and think the answer is "no one, but there were a metric shit load of these things made and they're still everywhere".

Who owns the Sheridan planet in the DA? Cause it was an Adder planet...

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Scotty · « **Reply #1325 on:** 15 January 2021, 23:03:17 »

Doesn't matter, there is no contact with the Homeworlds, and that includes exports. :P

truetanker · « **Reply #1326 on:** 15 January 2021, 23:12:35 »

It should have flooded the market*, before the WoR, both in production and isola from battles.

Also, maybe the Diamond Shark - Sea Fox got the plans before ejecting out?

* By this method, it was produced for OP: REVIVAL but took time for tactics to be considered effective to use.

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Kojak · « **Reply #1327 on:** 16 January 2021, 00:02:15 »

Quote from: Weirdo on 15 January 2021, 21:35:40

Very true. A Star of Ion Raptors and Heirofalcons means you get to deploy a solid BA force just about anywhere you want in most battlefields, in the first couple turns of the game.

What are our preferred mechanizable main combat suits in this era, anyway? Classic Toads and Rabids?

They're the originators of the APGR Elemental (Fire), yes? I imagine those are their go-to. Those and the Salamander (AI) would likely be the bulk of their mechanized BA forces.

worktroll · « **Reply #1328 on:** 16 January 2021, 01:29:26 »

Quote from: Weirdo on 15 January 2021, 21:35:40

What are our preferred mechanizable main combat suits in this era, anyway? Classic Toads and Rabids?

You name it! Afreets, Clan Mediums including the Rache, stock Elementals, Thunderbirds, Coronas, and the sublime (and very attractive) Ironholds, who are alas too heavy to MEC. We are not spoiled for choice.

Metallgewitter · « **Reply #1329 on:** 16 January 2021, 09:40:46 »

Quote from: Weirdo on 15 January 2021, 22:16:14

Coronas?! Who builds them post-Reaving?

My best guess would be the Horses since they had the most contact with the Adders. Not to mention they also adopted nearly two clusters of Adders during the WoR when they fought against Burrocks who tried to create a new war between the Ghost Bears and the Horses. Maybe the Horses got some Corona's from there and then managed to reverse engineer them for production in their own OZ

truetanker · « **Reply #1330 on:** 16 January 2021, 09:47:27 »

Can you imagine the Wolf Empire making Corona ER's?

( That's the Extended Range Medium Pulse on a BA suit! )

Yikes... sure more heat, for a slight enhanced range.

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Scotty · « **Reply #1331 on:** 16 January 2021, 11:17:27 »

https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Cuchulainn

MarauderCH IIC · « **Reply #1332 on:** 17 January 2021, 11:17:12 »

Can we talk about Hour of the Wolf yet?

Weirdo · « **Reply #1333 on:** 17 January 2021, 13:15:24 »

If you do it in the HotW thread, yes.

MarauderCH IIC · « **Reply #1334 on:** 17 January 2021, 14:02:37 »

When can we discuss it in here?

Weirdo · « **Reply #1335 on:** 17 January 2021, 14:09:43 »

When the mods announce that it's okay. At this point, I have no idea.

Empyrus · « **Reply #1336 on:** 21 January 2021, 11:45:15 »

Jade Falcon Guards use camo, right? Being part of the Gamma Galaxy which mostly uses camo schemes.

Pondering on how i'd finalize my KS Clan miniature forces. Since i'm pretty sure i want to paint them with Finnish Defence Force vehicle camo (three-tone green-green-black), they'd work nicely as Jade Falcon Guards. Not to mention i got lucky and got Timber Wolf Pryde.

Guardian11 · « **Reply #1337 on:** 22 January 2021, 20:12:55 »

Quote from: Empyrus on 21 January 2021, 11:45:15

Jade Falcon Guards use camo, right? Being part of the Gamma Galaxy which mostly uses camo schemes.

Pondering on how i'd finalize my KS Clan miniature forces. Since i'm pretty sure i want to paint them with Finnish Defence Force vehicle camo (three-tone green-green-black), they'd work nicely as Jade Falcon Guards. Not to mention i got lucky and got Timber Wolf Pryde.

Yes, as a part of Gamma Galaxy they paint their Mechs in camo suitable for the environment they are fighting in. Also, all Gamma Galaxy Mechs have Jade green trim except for the 9th Talon, which trims their Mechs in blue.

Kerfuffin(925) · « **Reply #1338 on:** 25 January 2021, 16:22:55 »

In regards to the hierofalcon do you all think they were all sent to desant galaxies or also served in the rear guard lesser galaxies? MUL has it starting production in 3148 so not a lot of time to spread.

Kit deSummersville · « **Reply #1339 on:** 27 January 2021, 13:35:52 »

Quote from: Weirdo on 15 January 2021, 22:16:14

Coronas?! Who builds them post-Reaving?

Grupo Modelo.

Guardian11 · « **Reply #1340 on:** 31 January 2021, 18:19:19 »

Quote from: Kerfuffin(925) on 25 January 2021, 16:22:55

In regards to the hierofalcon do you all think they were all sent to desant galaxies or also served in the rear guard lesser galaxies? MUL has it starting production in 3148 so not a lot of time to spread.

I'd think the Keshiks got first dibs on them, then Gamma and other frontline Galaxies on the Lyran front. The impression I got from FM3145 is that Alpha under Noritomo Helmer was kind of a dumping ground for non-Mongols. Also, Zeta while given some consideration due to their connection with Aleks Hazen weren't really treated like a frontline formation, even their nominally frontline Clusters, after all you have Archer Pryde of Zeta Galaxy mostly pulling garrison duty in Honor's Gauntlet. Up until Malvina Hazen found out that Clan Wolf was one jump from Terra the Lyran Commonwealth was the priority for the Jade Falcons with Stephanie Chistu fighting for Coventry in 3148, and Malvina about to invade Donegal.

Kerfuffin(925) · « **Reply #1341 on:** 31 January 2021, 20:15:42 »

Quote from: Guardian11 on 31 January 2021, 18:19:19

I'd think the Keshiks got first dibs on them, then Gamma and other frontline Galaxies on the Lyran front. The impression I got from FM3145 is that Alpha under Noritomo Helmer was kind of a dumping ground for non-Mongols. Also, Zeta while given some consideration due to their connection with Aleks Hazen weren't really treated like a frontline formation, even their nominally frontline Clusters, after all you have Archer Pryde of Zeta Galaxy mostly pulling garrison duty in Honor's Gauntlet. Up until Malvina Hazen found out that Clan Wolf was one jump from Terra the Lyran Commonwealth was the priority for the Jade Falcons with Stephanie Chistu fighting for Coventry in 3148, and Malvina about to invade Donegal.

That probably makes sense, and I figured as much. 2-2.5 years of production isn’t enough to spread with most clans dealing with all the dealing with Dark Ages de-omnification.

On an unrelated note I found the best way to distract falcon warriors. Or maybe it’s their new neurohelmet.

Savage Baron · « **Reply #1342 on:** 01 February 2021, 19:15:47 »

So, as the new Jade Watch, do the green turkeys get a tartan?

Around a cluster worth of warriors left on Terra, do we think that Malvina turned the Iron Wombs to speedy bake and there is a new generation of Falcons going to spring out of the woodwork?

MarauderCH IIC · « **Reply #1343 on:** 01 February 2021, 21:48:55 »

The sibko system is still back on Sudeten and running at full speed! What ever speed that is! The Jade Falcons might not have many warriors at the end of HotW, but there are a lot of sibkos coming!

In the HotW spoiler thread, it was suggested that the Jade Falcons use a Galloway tartan.

The Tara Campbell/Wolf/Jade Falcon storyline provides a ton of intrigue! Are the Jade Falcons going to end up on or involved with Northwind? We have one book in the Highlander Covenant trilogy. What happens in book 2 is covered to some extent in Shattered fortress. Will Tara and the Jade Falcons end up there in book 3? Will we see a Campbell bloodname at some point?

MarauderCH IIC · « **Reply #1344 on:** 01 February 2021, 21:49:19 »

What do you think about the Jade Hawk?

Kerfuffin(925) · « **Reply #1345 on:** 01 February 2021, 21:58:13 »

Quote from: Savage Baron on 01 February 2021, 19:15:47

So, as the new Jade Watch, do the green turkeys get a tartan?

Around a cluster worth of warriors left on Terra, do we think that Malvina turned the Iron Wombs to speedy bake and there is a new generation of Falcons going to spring out of the woodwork?

I thought she even stripped the older sibkin to bring them up for terra? If so it’ll be 2-5 years before you can get reliable sibkos through. And even the older ones will have to be reprogrammed to remove the mongolness.

CJC070 · « **Reply #1346 on:** 01 February 2021, 22:12:44 »

Quote from: Kerfuffin(925) on 01 February 2021, 21:58:13

I thought she even stripped the older sibkin to bring them up for terra? If so it’ll be 2-5 years before you can get reliable sibkos through. And even the older ones will have to be reprogrammed to remove the mongolness.

Not to mention the CHH taking all the Falcon territory could derail any chances of rebuilding their touman.

truetanker · « **Reply #1347 on:** 01 February 2021, 22:38:55 »

Pretty sure the Horses can take those ' Mongol kids ', off your hands...

For a Harvest Trial or few...

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MarauderCH IIC · « **Reply #1348 on:** 01 February 2021, 22:57:16 »

Quote from: CJC070 on 01 February 2021, 22:12:44

Not to mention the CHH taking all the Falcon territory could derail any chances of rebuilding their touman.

It certainly could. But it hasn't happened...

That's going to be an interesting story arc. The JF OZ is loaded. Mech factories on Sudeten, Alyina, and other planets. There is a Nightlord being built at Butler. The genetic repository is on Sudeten also. It's all sitting there waiting to be taken...

Empyrus · « **Reply #1349 on:** 02 February 2021, 07:28:42 »

Quote from: MarauderCH IIC on 01 February 2021, 21:49:19

What do you think about the Jade Hawk?

Lovely aesthetic, fun concept. But problematic.

The Jade Hawk standard has supercharger which bumps the BV up by nearly 300! While i get that a melee/short-range focused 'Mech needs to be able to close distance quickly, the 'Mech already has 6 hex jump range (thanks to the partial wing), it didn't need the SC. The 'Mech is somewhat crit-packed so finding alternatives isn't too easy, especially if its armament as been dictated by WizKids era; if not, upgrading the ER smalls to ER mediums would've been nice. EDIT Huh, incidentally this mod would bump the BV up by a lot, the SC starts looking like a reasonable alternative...
If Battle Value is not a concern, i like it a lot.

The Jade Hawk's variants unfortunately throw away the partial wing aesthetic. Okay, i suppose we could expect the wing-like structure stay, just lose all function (like the Flamberge fluff tells happened to it), and in that case the Jade Hawk 2 and 3 fit the looks and both are reasonable alternatives. Indeed, they're probably way more practical to use, and cheaper than the Standard. That said, meh.

The mercenary variants are probably unlikely to be found among Falcon forces. Don't really like them, the alternative loses the partial wing, and the standard crams in less than full complement of jump jets, TSM and supercharger. Argh! It is just plain infuriating.

I prefer my personalized variant of the Jade Hawk Standard that's fitted with Talons. Sacrificed a ton of ammo, the Light Active Probe and the supercharger for them (also added one point of armor).