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Naval Pictures IX - General Quarters, Battlestations!
« on: 12 January 2022, 19:06:58 »
French Battleship, Magenta.

I always loved the predreadnoughts.  Perhaps because design wise they were unique.

The Magenta was strange design to me.  Not necessary the unprotected main guns, but broadsides were like walls.
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Re: Naval Pictures IX - General Quarters, Battlestations!
« Reply #1 on: 12 January 2022, 19:15:25 »
We were warned it was for in-extremis only.  We weren't going to be able to just obliterate a hill that some sniper was on.

Which is ironic if you have seen the video of a guided MLRS round blowing a wannabe sniper off the roof of a apartment building somewhere sandy.  Shoulder cam catches the movement, they call it in, barely see the rocket before it explodes on the roof . . . and then you see the body come back down after flying, falling at least 5 or 6 floors.

Our disgust was they had us practicing with tube and all these other units at the time we would not use.  So why not the battleship for giggles?
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Re: Naval Pictures IX - General Quarters, Battlestations!
« Reply #2 on: 12 January 2022, 19:25:59 »
Wrangler: that's the second post of yours where I could only see the picture via the attachment.  Something is not working with posted images, and I'm not sure what...

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Re: Naval Pictures IX - General Quarters, Battlestations!
« Reply #3 on: 12 January 2022, 19:34:08 »
Which is ironic if you have seen the video of a guided MLRS round blowing a wannabe sniper off the roof of a apartment building somewhere sandy.  Shoulder cam catches the movement, they call it in, barely see the rocket before it explodes on the roof . . . and then you see the body come back down after flying, falling at least 5 or 6 floors.

Our disgust was they had us practicing with tube and all these other units at the time we would not use.  So why not the battleship for giggles?

Ever seen a capital round hit something? It's next level in terms of destructive power, that roof, the building and probably the ones on either side of it would be kindling if you used a big gun. They are also expensive as hell and incredibly rare, they are not something you use just for giggles. Not to mention the fact that a massive lumbering battleship is heavily constrained by draft, especially in the sandy areas where navigation is challenging for much smaller ships.

Capital ships are an inviting target, especially when they are just cruising offshore. The proliferation of cheap ASCM coastal batteries, WBIEDs and mines means that your nice shiny battleship can be hit and even if they don't sink it, that millions of dollars in repairs and a massive IW win for the OPFOR.

Use the right tool for the job, and for shore bombardment they right tool is a frigate, destroyer or a cruiser, not a battleship.

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Re: Naval Pictures IX - General Quarters, Battlestations!
« Reply #4 on: 12 January 2022, 19:34:58 »
The Australian Border Force has a really snazzy paint scheme for their patrol boats. Reminds me of old airliner liveries or some of the paint schemes for stuff in classic sci-fi art


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Re: Naval Pictures IX - General Quarters, Battlestations!
« Reply #5 on: 12 January 2022, 19:43:55 »
That's a fancy paint job, all right.
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Re: Naval Pictures IX - General Quarters, Battlestations!
« Reply #6 on: 12 January 2022, 20:04:45 »
That's a fancy paint job, all right.

They were just flat grey when they were first built, I believe this livery was developed explicitly to differentiate them from navy ships.

They are also very nice boats for crew comfort, when ABF was first stood up they didn't have enough sailors for these boats, so the navy stumped up crew members while ABF recruited. Those sailors did not want to go back to patrol boats, the drop in QoL was incredible.

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Re: Naval Pictures IX - General Quarters, Battlestations!
« Reply #7 on: 12 January 2022, 20:07:10 »
Wrangler: that's the second post of yours where I could only see the picture via the attachment.  Something is not working with posted images, and I'm not sure what...
I fixed it, i was having trouble with my phone. I've changed to the PC and it fixed up.
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Re: Naval Pictures IX - General Quarters, Battlestations!
« Reply #8 on: 12 January 2022, 20:13:29 »
Still X's for me, sorry...  :-\

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« Reply #9 on: 12 January 2022, 20:25:07 »
The Australian Border Force has a really snazzy paint scheme for their patrol boats. Reminds me of old airliner liveries or some of the paint schemes for stuff in classic sci-fi art


Cape class??
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Re: Naval Pictures IX - General Quarters, Battlestations!
« Reply #10 on: 12 January 2022, 20:28:46 »
I always loved the predreadnoughts.  Perhaps because design wise they were unique.

I'm with you on that. My favorite period of naval architecture is the period between the end of the US Civil War & WW1. What is great -- especially the French designs for some reason -- is the industrial ugly of some of those ships! There were elegant ones too, granted...

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Re: Naval Pictures IX - General Quarters, Battlestations!
« Reply #11 on: 12 January 2022, 21:48:26 »
The Australian Border Force has a really snazzy paint scheme for their patrol boats. Reminds me of old airliner liveries or some of the paint schemes for stuff in classic sci-fi art


nice paint scheme, great looking ship
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« Reply #12 on: 12 January 2022, 22:11:14 »
Ever seen a capital round hit something? It's next level in terms of destructive power, that roof, the building and probably the ones on either side of it would be kindling if you used a big gun. They are also expensive as hell and incredibly rare, they are not something you use just for giggles. Not to mention the fact that a massive lumbering battleship is heavily constrained by draft, especially in the sandy areas where navigation is challenging for much smaller ships.

Capital ships are an inviting target, especially when they are just cruising offshore. The proliferation of cheap ASCM coastal batteries, WBIEDs and mines means that your nice shiny battleship can be hit and even if they don't sink it, that millions of dollars in repairs and a massive IW win for the OPFOR.

Use the right tool for the job, and for shore bombardment they right tool is a frigate, destroyer or a cruiser, not a battleship.

it's a training digex?
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« Reply #13 on: 12 January 2022, 22:53:19 »
it's a training digex?

So you don't want to train the way you fight?

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« Reply #14 on: 12 January 2022, 23:49:11 »
Why is this Cape Class cutter suspended over the water on steel beams anyways? Its not a dock...not near one from way the picture is.

Secondary thing. When i read Cape Class, I guess was too used told old US Coast Guard cutters.

I though of this old girl and her kin.

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Re: Naval Pictures IX - General Quarters, Battlestations!
« Reply #15 on: 13 January 2022, 00:05:13 »
Cape class??

Yep. Less common the the Damen Stan patrol vessels. The first two digits are the vessel's length in meters and the second two digits are the width. So the 4207s are 42m long and 7m wide, while the 4708s are 47m long and 8m wide.

The 4207 in Canadian Coast Guard service as the Hero-class:


The larger 4708 in US Coastie service as the Sentinel-class cutter

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Re: Naval Pictures IX - General Quarters, Battlestations!
« Reply #16 on: 13 January 2022, 04:07:15 »
Wrangler: the Coast Guard cutter picture came through fine, but the battleship pic still doesn't show...  ???

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« Reply #17 on: 13 January 2022, 06:08:56 »
Shows fine for me.  Weird.
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« Reply #18 on: 13 January 2022, 06:54:18 »
Shows fine for me.  Weird.

Me too...  :crash:

Why is this Cape Class cutter suspended over the water on steel beams anyways? Its not a dock...not near one from way the picture is.

Light floating dry dock. The vessels are small enough to fit, it's cheaper than a graving dock or synchro lift for refit, and a good way to move vessels that have watertight integrity issues. It's an inshore version of something like the MV Rolldock Star.

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« Reply #19 on: 13 January 2022, 10:02:20 »
So you don't want to train the way you fight?

It was a training environment in a class room to learn the software operations.  We were a rocket battery and they had us running some stuff with tubes.  Further, the computer prevents you from piddly firing, usual targets being troop concentrations, counterbattery fire, or armor/vehicle formations.
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« Reply #20 on: 13 January 2022, 13:25:20 »
A lovely cutaway diagram of the gun turret of HMS Inflexible showing how her muzzle loaded 16 inch, 80-ton guns were loaded.



There's a good video here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKmi0PN7LxM&ab_channel=ForgottenWeapons  by gun jesus about how it would have operated. And there's actually a surviving turret on the Mole at Dover. Sadly the turret is in poor condition but the guns are still there, although there's no plans to open it up for the public or renovate it



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Re: Naval Pictures IX - General Quarters, Battlestations!
« Reply #21 on: 13 January 2022, 17:31:46 »
HMS Flexible when she was in service.


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Re: Naval Pictures IX - General Quarters, Battlestations!
« Reply #22 on: 13 January 2022, 18:07:08 »
I loved the austere elegance of the US Battleships from the beginning of the 20th until they refit them in the late 20's & 30's.   Very clean upperworks and the cage masts were very distinctive.

On the other hand... who wants to be on an open bridge wing in the North Atlantic or Pacific or climb up to the fighting tops either.
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« Reply #23 on: 13 January 2022, 19:46:48 »
Thanks for continuing to attach the pictures too, Wrangler.  At this point, I'm chalking it up to a personal vendetta Windows has against me (don't even get me started about what it's doing to me at work...  xp).

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« Reply #24 on: 14 January 2022, 04:28:23 »
I loved the austere elegance of the US Battleships from the beginning of the 20th until they refit them in the late 20's & 30's.   Very clean upperworks and the cage masts were very distinctive.

On the other hand... who wants to be on an open bridge wing in the North Atlantic or Pacific or climb up to the fighting tops either.

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« Reply #25 on: 14 January 2022, 09:06:42 »
1943, Boston Navy Yard. A few highlights to point out here: The ship in the drydock at far left is USS Iowa, being looked at for damage after running aground. Nearby are the aircraft carrier USS Bunker Hill and the cruiser USS Baltimore. Further up in the image are a gaggle of destroyers- five Benson-class, one Fletcher (the darker colored one), and in amongst them is the French destroyer Le Fantasque, easily discernible because she's nearly a hundred feet longer than the Americans around her.
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« Reply #26 on: 14 January 2022, 16:49:25 »
Today I bring you a post from another forum (laarmada.net, a spanish wargames forum). A member there has constructed a model of USS Atlanta from scratch.


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« Reply #27 on: 14 January 2022, 18:41:46 »
Hellbie, I'm shocked that picture was even allowed to be taken in 1943...  :o

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« Reply #28 on: 14 January 2022, 18:55:52 »
Speaking of ship models, I've got one in process myself, a 1/240 scale USS Olympia (C-6):





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« Reply #29 on: 14 January 2022, 19:02:40 »
That is the literal definition of awesome, Gio!  :o

 

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