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Lazarus Sinn

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Just Say It Bluntly.
« on: 19 November 2023, 13:50:42 »
I know many of you are much more knowledgeable in website design and marketing and branding and such so I have some questions for you.

I am a general contractor and I am in the process of creating business cards and I have purchased a Go Daddy website that I will be using their website tools to build a website for my company. I anticipation of this I have been looking at business cards and websites for inspiration and I have noticed one thing most have in common.

Business cards have contact info and the company name and the websites talk about how they are industry leaders and us cutting edge technology and have experienced people and this list projects they have worked on and have letters with accolades from customers and industry peers alike and they all say the same buzz words. Perhaps 1 in five says what the company actually does. I have to call companies and ask them what trade they perform and how to request a price from them.

Does anyone have any idea why this is? Has everyone become so caught up in buzz words that they never get around to telling potential customers what product or service they provide and here is how you can hire us.

I plan to have the first thing people see on my business cards after my company name is a statement of what I do and i want this to stand out a bit. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Just Say It Bluntly.
« Reply #1 on: 19 November 2023, 13:53:49 »
It's a marketing schtick, intended to drive traffic to their site.  Also prompts people to start putting the company name into search engines which helps drive it higher in the search algorithms.
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Re: Just Say It Bluntly.
« Reply #2 on: 19 November 2023, 14:25:44 »
I do not see how it helps. If I cannot tell what you do how do I know if I need your products or services?

The second job I got after I got out of the military was working on tank targets at Fort Irwin in the California desert. I asked the guy interviewing me to critique my resume and let me know where it could be improved and where I had gotten it right. He offered a few pointers on where it could be made better. But one thing he told me that always stuck with me was that my resume said in plain English with no embellishment what I could do and that was the reason I got the job.

He said they had been looking for someone with the qualifications to haul ordinance to drive the truck that carried the flares that were used to indicate target hits on tank targets. The guy that got the job had "I haul bombs." and a list of his certifications for the US Army below it.

He said it made the choice easy for him if people were blunt when they said what they do on a resume. I know some of these companies have spent a lot of money for the website design, branding, etc. and that is why I am at a loss as to why they don't have a simple statement of what they do somewhere on there website or business cards.
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Re: Just Say It Bluntly.
« Reply #3 on: 19 November 2023, 15:13:12 »
I do not see how it helps. If I cannot tell what you do how do I know if I need your products or services?

The second job I got after I got out of the military was working on tank targets at Fort Irwin in the California desert. I asked the guy interviewing me to critique my resume and let me know where it could be improved and where I had gotten it right. He offered a few pointers on where it could be made better. But one thing he told me that always stuck with me was that my resume said in plain English with no embellishment what I could do and that was the reason I got the job.

He said they had been looking for someone with the qualifications to haul ordinance to drive the truck that carried the flares that were used to indicate target hits on tank targets. The guy that got the job had "I haul bombs." and a list of his certifications for the US Army below it.

He said it made the choice easy for him if people were blunt when they said what they do on a resume. I know some of these companies have spent a lot of money for the website design, branding, etc. and that is why I am at a loss as to why they don't have a simple statement of what they do somewhere on there website or business cards.

The PLAN is to obfuscate.  See, these web developers are paid on traffic, and not on contracts generated, it's in the interest of the web designer to push traffic to the site regardless of whether said traffic is actually going to engage the client in the client's business.

It's like when a Tyre company pays for an ad with supermodels shot in black-and-white with sexy music for the Superbowl-they sell (or make) automobile tires, but the ad is a thirty second titillation selling sex.

It's to grab eyeballs, and maybe, or so the conjecture goes, one in a hundred viewers are actually interested in what the Client is selling, but boy does it get the name recognition out there with the idea that said name recognition will 'click' and generate customers.

does it work? I don't know, I'm not an expert, but I've seen this going on since well before the Internet was even a thing, so it might work, the variation you're seeing, is akin to those 'skin ads' (or Trunk Monkeys,office linebackers or little mini-comedies or whatever). 

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Re: Just Say It Bluntly.
« Reply #4 on: 19 November 2023, 15:50:04 »
So basically it is a tactic for the web designers to generate income regardless of whether or not the website actually benefits the customer by generating actual income in the form of contracts to sell products or services. And it has beomce the standard so much that people do not see that actual customers like me will simply go one to the next website or give on that route and call someone I know for advice on who they have used on the past.
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Re: Just Say It Bluntly.
« Reply #5 on: 19 November 2023, 16:50:56 »
In our line of work (construction and subcontracting), it is generally about word of mouth. Reviews (via Google, for example) are simply a derivative of that. For our business, those reviews have gotten us more work than any other single thing, so far as we can tell (and have been told by customers, more to the point)
 
The website for the company I manage only tells you what we do, how we do it, and what we do it with. Along with where to find us and how to contact us. The key is getting a good website designer and to give them a plan for what you want and what you expect to achieve. I can give the contact information for you a reputable Florida company that does that if you want to at least test the waters notionally, and I can PM you a link to our website to give you an idea of what I am talking about.

What CS says isn't broadly wrong, but it does not have to be that way, either.

Business cards should say the same thing: who you are/your position, the name of the company being presented, phone number, address (physical and e-mail as it applies), and what the company does. The "branding" should be the company name/font and insignia as it exists. Everything else is basically chaff. The back of the card can be used for any slightly extraneous data (like tag lines, mission statements, nice selling-point data) you wish to include. One thing I do note about my business cards is that are double-thick, which sets them apart from so many others without having to be obvious about it. And they are matte, so I can write my (business cell) number on it as I desire.
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Re: Just Say It Bluntly.
« Reply #6 on: 19 November 2023, 17:01:48 »
Hilariously, I remember when GoDaddy started advertising on TV, and there was ZERO indication what they actually DID... ;D

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Re: Just Say It Bluntly.
« Reply #7 on: 19 November 2023, 17:04:43 »
I have no real advice that hasn't been covered by others already.

But I agree - if you offer superior services or products, there should be no need for "marketing schtick".  Show some videos and detail what you do!  Then if you want to play around with driving your company name higher in the search algorithm, ask the customers to search and see how you compare to others in the same field.  Ask them right there on your website to search for your reviews and see how your customers feel.  Even if you don't have a lot of reviews now, you will sooner or later.

I'm also all about results, not internet tricks.  People are getting tired of the internet bull. 
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Re: Just Say It Bluntly.
« Reply #8 on: 19 November 2023, 19:12:50 »
In our line of work (construction and subcontracting), it is generally about word of mouth. Reviews (via Google, for example) are simply a derivative of that. For our business, those reviews have gotten us more work than any other single thing, so far as we can tell (and have been told by customers, more to the point)
 
The website for the company I manage only tells you what we do, how we do it, and what we do it with. Along with where to find us and how to contact us. The key is getting a good website designer and to give them a plan for what you want and what you expect to achieve. I can give the contact information for you a reputable Florida company that does that if you want to at least test the waters notionally, and I can PM you a link to our website to give you an idea of what I am talking about.

What CS says isn't broadly wrong, but it does not have to be that way, either.

Business cards should say the same thing: who you are/your position, the name of the company being presented, phone number, address (physical and e-mail as it applies), and what the company does. The "branding" should be the company name/font and insignia as it exists. Everything else is basically chaff. The back of the card can be used for any slightly extraneous data (like tag lines, mission statements, nice selling-point data) you wish to include. One thing I do note about my business cards is that are double-thick, which sets them apart from so many others without having to be obvious about it. And they are matte, so I can write my (business cell) number on it as I desire.

Oh, I totally agree it doesn't have to be that way.   The problem stems from how many people in advertising think it needs to be that way, and how influential they are in the community of middle-men.  My tyre company example (the smexy supermodels and seductive music filmed in black and white) was chosen specifically as an example of how senseless some of the 'logic' common to marketing can get.

right there with the exaggerated claims and omitted facts that are ALSO pretty standard for the business of selling the idea of sales.

as a consumer, I don't need a thirty second to one minute music video to sell me, but I'm not the target audience, I'm not really sure anyone actually belongs to the targeted demographic outside of the fantasies of marketing specialists...but I could be wrong.  Probably am.  then again, these 'marketing specialists' have in recent years generated more than a few Rule 4 violations I can't describe here that have not had the intended effect (More detail, unsurprisingly, is also Rule 4, but on a pragmatic level they ought not to have done that without knowing who they're trying to sell to...)

It's like there's a whole generation of marketers who don't get that "It's not for YOU" is something I (and many other consumers) take at face value and say, "Okay, I'll go with this other guy instead."

(or go without).

there's an obvious disconnect.  If I need plumbing services, that's what I look up, and I'll usually go with the guy who's got his business, prices, hours, and availability on his site, not the guy who's got his cousin's abstract art and design homework with a catchy pop tune, but doesn't include those things FIRST.

But I'm probably a weirdo.  Maybe the detuned Rod Stewart ballad with the swirling colors means he's a good plumber...but I'll never know it, I'll go with the page that shows business/location/hours/rates, because then I know who and what I'm dealing with.  My time is a thing I value, even if I waste the hell out of it, and I think that fits with most people in most markets whether they're doing it for their own business, or for their private use.

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Re: Just Say It Bluntly.
« Reply #9 on: 19 November 2023, 20:37:13 »
So my Business cards for work
Have Company Name and logo
our location address and phone and fax
my name
position
and on the back empty but I can write on it

As for how we "look for outsider contractors" I will be honest, it has been more lately word of mouth then looking up pretty websites at the local level.  I'm not sure of Corp Office method.
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Re: Just Say It Bluntly.
« Reply #10 on: 19 November 2023, 22:11:09 »
In fiarness if you're handed a busniess card and don't know what the company does that's the fault of the guy handing you the card as much as anything else.
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Re: Just Say It Bluntly.
« Reply #11 on: 19 November 2023, 22:13:05 »
All of my business is word of mouth right now and I have more than I can handle. I find most of my subcontractors through word of mouth. But sometimes I am in an area that I need to find new subcontractors so I resort to Google. It is just mind boggling to me the number of trades contractors that do not list their trades on there websites and it is not part of there name. I have literally read multiple page websites that talk about how great they are but I can't tell if they are a plumber or a site contractor.

A few months back my wife and I went to the South East Builders Conference in Orlando. We went specifically to get contact information for as many different subcontractors as we could and to see what new innovations were out there we could incorporate into the projects we build. We left with five swag bags full of business cards, flyers and catalogs.

I was sorting through the pile of stuff we got and ended up throwing about half of it out due the frustration of not being able to determine what service or product they provided. I just do not have time to call over 100 different companies to see if they might have what I need.

I guess my take away is that I am going to be blunt when I advertise my company so people know what services I can provide.
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Re: Just Say It Bluntly.
« Reply #12 on: 19 November 2023, 22:14:19 »
In our line of work (construction and subcontracting), it is generally about word of mouth. Reviews (via Google, for example) are simply a derivative of that. For our business, those reviews have gotten us more work than any other single thing, so far as we can tell (and have been told by customers, more to the point)
 
The website for the company I manage only tells you what we do, how we do it, and what we do it with. Along with where to find us and how to contact us. The key is getting a good website designer and to give them a plan for what you want and what you expect to achieve. I can give the contact information for you a reputable Florida company that does that if you want to at least test the waters notionally, and I can PM you a link to our website to give you an idea of what I am talking about.

What CS says isn't broadly wrong, but it does not have to be that way, either.

Business cards should say the same thing: who you are/your position, the name of the company being presented, phone number, address (physical and e-mail as it applies), and what the company does. The "branding" should be the company name/font and insignia as it exists. Everything else is basically chaff. The back of the card can be used for any slightly extraneous data (like tag lines, mission statements, nice selling-point data) you wish to include. One thing I do note about my business cards is that are double-thick, which sets them apart from so many others without having to be obvious about it. And they are matte, so I can write my (business cell) number on it as I desire.

I would appreciate the name of the company and a link to your website. Thank you.
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Re: Just Say It Bluntly.
« Reply #13 on: 19 November 2023, 22:16:07 »
Thanks for all the feed back everyone.
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Re: Just Say It Bluntly.
« Reply #14 on: 20 November 2023, 00:45:09 »
have to ask do you print cards yourself or do you outsource?
 
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« Reply #15 on: 20 November 2023, 07:35:27 »
I go to a lot of sector events. I prefer when cards state what the companies do in 3 or 5 words. Because I return home with like 40 of them. And I am not putting all these companies in google to check who they were. I will remember a few of the guys, but some will be blurry. So if I am given a crotch to remember the guy and the company, I appreciate it.

The company logo AND a company motto are used for that. You can place them in the front or back, but make it clear, even if it is "We build, and deliver on time".

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Re: Just Say It Bluntly.
« Reply #16 on: 20 November 2023, 13:25:26 »
I go to a lot of sector events. I prefer when cards state what the companies do in 3 or 5 words. Because I return home with like 40 of them. And I am not putting all these companies in google to check who they were. I will remember a few of the guys, but some will be blurry. So if I am given a crotch to remember the guy and the company, I appreciate it.

The company logo AND a company motto are used for that. You can place them in the front or back, but make it clear, even if it is "We build, and deliver on time".

Kind regards,
Xavier
as a thought when building your web page you might consider a hybrid design. I am not sure how to go about it as I am not a web dev, but my 2 cents.

1 have a fairly simple splash page as the home page ie who you are what you do, and some short light images/video clips (to make the site load faster)
2 have some "sub pages" like a testimonials page that links to a number of those.
3 have a sub page that gives more information on what you really do
4 have a link sub page "contractors/sub contractors" where if they are interested they can put in a request to be considered as a sub contractor if you have a project that needs a service they can provide.

the point is to make it simple to navigate, load fast, but still accomplish what you are trying to

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Re: Just Say It Bluntly.
« Reply #17 on: 20 November 2023, 14:11:35 »
I will remember a few of the guys, but some will be blurry. So if I am given a crotch to remember the guy and the company, I appreciate it.

I find this...amusing. Thanks!
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Re: Just Say It Bluntly.
« Reply #18 on: 20 November 2023, 15:44:20 »
Tnis is because I used the wrong word and used crotch instead of crutch. Ah, the wonders of the human mind :P

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« Reply #19 on: 20 November 2023, 16:30:46 »
I get it. Still funny.
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But it was a lie, that I told myself                                          Chasing visions of our futures.                   Oh, my crucifixion comes
When I needed something good.                                         One day we'll reveal the truth,                    Will you sing my hallelujah?
At 17, I had a better dream; now I'm 33, and it isn't me.      That one will die before he gets there.       Will you tell me when it's done?
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Re: Just Say It Bluntly.
« Reply #20 on: 21 November 2023, 12:42:53 »
have to ask do you print cards yourself or do you outsource?

I am going to be having them orinted at the local shop that does all of my printing.
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« Reply #21 on: 21 November 2023, 12:44:57 »
I go to a lot of sector events. I prefer when cards state what the companies do in 3 or 5 words. Because I return home with like 40 of them. And I am not putting all these companies in google to check who they were. I will remember a few of the guys, but some will be blurry. So if I am given a crotch to remember the guy and the company, I appreciate it.

The company logo AND a company motto are used for that. You can place them in the front or back, but make it clear, even if it is "We build, and deliver on time".

Kind regards,
Xavier

Same here. I literally had a stack of business cards about two inches tall to go through and maybe a dozen of them had enough information so that I could figure out what they do. I tossed about half of them.
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« Reply #22 on: 21 November 2023, 12:46:47 »
as a thought when building your web page you might consider a hybrid design. I am not sure how to go about it as I am not a web dev, but my 2 cents.

1 have a fairly simple splash page as the home page ie who you are what you do, and some short light images/video clips (to make the site load faster)
2 have some "sub pages" like a testimonials page that links to a number of those.
3 have a sub page that gives more information on what you really do
4 have a link sub page "contractors/sub contractors" where if they are interested they can put in a request to be considered as a sub contractor if you have a project that needs a service they can provide.

the point is to make it simple to navigate, load fast, but still accomplish what you are trying to

This is pretty much the format I intend to use. I am a big fan of keeping it simple.
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« Reply #23 on: 21 November 2023, 16:35:33 »
I am going to be having them orinted at the local shop that does all of my printing.
reason i asked i used to use vocational school for a lot of printing the only thing i paid for was materials...belive it or not kids tht did the work did a job that was even better than businesses i used in the past. it was also dual purpous thing saving money for me and giving kids practical experience...one or two went on to set up their  own offset businesses
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