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Re: WSotW - Texas
« Reply #120 on: 12 April 2019, 21:37:00 »
After rereading the invasion of huntress novels, when task force Serpent battles the liberator which fled from the OZ, the serpent naval commander knows not to dismiss the liberator but he is confident he can beat it.

If instead the veiled huntress which was a Texas had fought the IS Cameron which was already carrying damage from defeating the first jaguar naval garrison, would that have been a clear win for the Texas?

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Re: WSotW - Texas
« Reply #121 on: 13 April 2019, 01:22:14 »
Texas vs Cameron in a 1v1 duel is a foregone conclusion.  The Texas can outrange the Cameron and hit it harder. Its faster, its better protected and can bring more supporting assets to an engagement. 
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« Reply #122 on: 13 April 2019, 10:55:19 »
Texas vs Cameron in a 1v1 duel is a foregone conclusion.  The Texas can outrange the Cameron and hit it harder. Its faster, its better protected and can bring more supporting assets to an engagement.

With the Cameron what is the options they have to knock out a Texas? Bull in and attempt to blast it at close range?

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Re: WSotW - Texas
« Reply #123 on: 13 April 2019, 11:54:26 »
The Cameron's a mid to close range slugger, and the Texas is a long range sniper.  But the problem is the Cameron really can't get into range, she's slower, generates less thrust, and is less agile for it.  The Texas could stick out of range and just pick her apart with NL-45 fire and any other weapons and would be hitting more consistently.  She'd not need to get close.
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Re: WSotW - Texas
« Reply #124 on: 13 April 2019, 12:52:15 »
The  two Jaquar ships which survey the assaults of bulldog and serpent in canon were a black lion and Potemkin and they did quite well for a long time as raiders and mobile bases. With its long range punch and heavy armor I would think the Texas would be great for that

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Re: WSotW - Texas
« Reply #125 on: 13 April 2019, 16:47:22 »
The only real advantage the Cameron has is that we know Invisible Truth has Krakens. Those would provide solid hitting power that outranges even the Texas's guns, and with the BB's guns concentrated in a small number of bays, you only need to get lucky with a crit or two to put a serious dent in its firepower. Odds are still against the Truth, though.

And before anyone asks, we know nothing of the Truth's loadout beyond the fact that it's a Cameron that carries one or more Krakens. Nothing.
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Re: WSotW - Texas
« Reply #126 on: 13 April 2019, 18:17:35 »
And before anyone asks, we know nothing of the Truth's loadout beyond the fact that it's a Cameron that carries one or more Krakens. Nothing.

Do we necessarily know that? As I recall the original reference was that the Invisible Truth was firing them from her AR10 launchers, which of course isn't rules compliant. It wouldn't be the first time that a troublesome scene from a novel was quietly disregarded or forgotten.

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Re: WSotW - Texas
« Reply #127 on: 13 April 2019, 23:49:46 »
The Cameron's a mid to close range slugger, and the Texas is a long range sniper.  But the problem is the Cameron really can't get into range, she's slower, generates less thrust, and is less agile for it.  The Texas could stick out of range and just pick her apart with NL-45 fire and any other weapons and would be hitting more consistently.  She'd not need to get close.

Wait - the Cameron carries HNPPCs as well as NL-55s and the AR-10s. And they have just as much range as the NL-45s and HNPPCs on the Texas. So the Cameron can at least fire back.

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« Reply #128 on: 13 April 2019, 23:57:58 »
True but not with the accuracy of the Texas's guns because the Cameron's NLs and PPC's are mounted in single or double mounts, meaning you can't really bracket fire with them, whilst the Texas can get the full -4 to hit with her laser batteries meaning she's scoring hits far sooner and will be wearing down the Cameron's armour quick time.
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Re: WSotW - Texas
« Reply #129 on: 14 April 2019, 06:51:25 »
Was Texas designed by FASA as being one of those lemon units? Aka flawed?  Or it was victim of the conversion from TRO:2750 to BattleSpace?
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Re: WSotW - Texas
« Reply #130 on: 14 April 2019, 07:19:17 »
True but not with the accuracy of the Texas's guns because the Cameron's NLs and PPC's are mounted in single or double mounts, meaning you can't really bracket fire with them, whilst the Texas can get the full -4 to hit with her laser batteries meaning she's scoring hits far sooner and will be wearing down the Cameron's armour quick time.

Her Heavy NPPC's are also mounted in quads, so she would get full bracket potential from them as well.

Was Texas designed by FASA as being one of those lemon units? Aka flawed?  Or it was victim of the conversion from TRO:2750 to BattleSpace?

The weapon arrangement was already statted in TRO 2750, so not sure the question would apply unless the BattleSpace rules were deliberately designed that way after the fact.

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Re: WSotW - Texas
« Reply #131 on: 14 April 2019, 07:24:56 »
The Cameron's Heavy NPPC's are pair mounted, her NL-55's come either in a double or triple mount so with the NPPC's she'll get -1 and with one laser turret she'll get -2. and -1 with the other.

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Re: WSotW - Texas
« Reply #132 on: 14 April 2019, 16:42:15 »
Was Texas designed by FASA as being one of those lemon units? Aka flawed?  Or it was victim of the conversion from TRO:2750 to BattleSpace?

The fluff has consistently described it as a powerful, well protected ship, so if it were a lemon (I consider that debatable) it wasn't intentional.

The problem, I think, was that when it was designed they didn't have rules. The authors simply made them up as they went along. One guy thought a soyuz was reasonable, another thought a black lion made sense.
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Re: WSotW - Texas
« Reply #133 on: 14 April 2019, 20:15:26 »
Not sure why the truth has to start dueling with the Texas at range- after all, they knew where the Huntress wants to end up.  And if the Texas class does not escort the DS to the planet, then its easy for the Cameron to keep doing its job.
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