Mars Rising: Marian Hegemony IV

[Saint]

I'd be very happy with the upgraded Centurion, nice punch and easy to produce.

ATC on Kendall has been in Mark hands for centuries,  predating the reborn Marian ATC. Likely one of the goals of the Kendall invasion was to reunite the two under one banner.

[ArkRoyalRavager]

...huh? ???

What do the Marians actually build from their known and unknown factories? How far have they expanded since Objectives: Periphery? What did the Horses actually secure from their Tamar conquests? The ambiguous wording in the FM causes one to wonder if it is to be assumed that the Horses produce T-Wolves, T-hawk IIs, Carnivores, Black Wolves, Gargoyles and other choice Wolf units? What ARE the Suns producing since their 3079 Objectives? I'm sorry, but mini-snippets in every TRO since 3085 don't add up to the overall picture. How much have they rebuilt by 3130? How much industrial expansion took place since the Dark Age?

Basically the FMs, even though their "State of Industry" sections are the only source on such things, are really crappy for certain non-creator's pet factions when it comes to giving hard data. FM:3085 is still excusable because the Objectives came out right before it, but FM:3145 is not.

[truetanker]

Tell me what the MH really produces... as in a TO&E of the realm.

I find:

Vehicle
AC/2 Carrier
Laser Carrier
Tracked APC
Harasser
SRM Carrier
Gladius
J. Edgar
Maultier 
Fulcrum
Goblin Medium Tank
Schrek PPC Carrier
Testudo

Aerospace
Shilone

Battlemech
LCT-1 V2 Locust
COM-4H Commando
CN9-H Centurion Primitive
MAD-4H Marauder II

Battle Armor
Ravager
Marauder

Infantry
Ceremonial Guard
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Ceremonial_Guard_(Marian_Hegemony)
Foot and Motorized units use 10 Squads of 10
Jump units use 5 Squads of 10
Battle Armor units use 1 Squad of 5

Items made for possible trade :
Harvester 2K  ~Shipped to Pinard for Thunderbolt, Battle Hawk & Plainsman also to Taurus for Thunderbolt

What else do they make or possible trade?

TT

[Archangel]

Basically the FMs, even though their "State of Industry" sections are the only source on such things, are really crappy for certain non-creator's pet factions when it comes to giving hard data. FM:3085 is still excusable because the Objectives came out right before it, but FM:3145 is not.

So basically you are saying that they have spoiled you with the Objectives series.

[Colt Ward]

Truetanker I can think of a few flaws with that list . . .

Vehicles
Harasser- produced by neighboring FWL for years, likely picked up in trade or raiding
Maultier- Thought it was a TC exclusive, something they were producing after finding examples but then sold or traded, especially in the wake of the periphery arms agreement
Fulcrum- One of the FedSuns 'new' hovertanks in the 3060s, probably bought used for refurb by the Marian salvage buyers

Mech
Marauder II -4H, pretty sure this was a hand rebuild of old L1 Marauder IIs they got a hold of, not fresh production

Left off?
Icarus II- thought this came up somewhere

[ArkRoyalRavager]

So basically you are saying that they have spoiled you with the Objectives series.

No. What I'm saying is if they're going to write such sections in the FM, do it properly by giving every faction an even and informative treatment.

[jackson123]

Most production would be limited to low numbers. maybe less the 12 a year.

[Adacas]

Tell me what the MH really produces... as in a TO&E of the realm.

I find:

Vehicle
AC/2 Carrier
Laser Carrier
Tracked APC
Harasser
SRM Carrier
Gladius
J. Edgar
Maultier 
Fulcrum
Goblin Medium Tank
Schrek PPC Carrier
Testudo

Aerospace
Shilone

Battlemech
LCT-1 V2 Locust
COM-4H Commando
CN9-H Centurion Primitive
MAD-4H Marauder II

Battle Armor
Ravager
Marauder

Infantry
Ceremonial Guard
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Ceremonial_Guard_(Marian_Hegemony)
Foot and Motorized units use 10 Squads of 10
Jump units use 5 Squads of 10
Battle Armor units use 1 Squad of 5

Items made for possible trade :
Harvester 2K  ~Shipped to Pinard for Thunderbolt, Battle Hawk & Plainsman also to Taurus for Thunderbolt

What else do they make or possible trade?

TT

Fonts: MPS : Mayor Periphery States -

Your TOE is incomplete

Alphard

Marian Arms Inc: Tank Factory (J-27 Ordenace Transport, Gladius Gladius II, Dreadnought Mk II Tractor Module, Maultier Hovertank, Heavy LRM Carrier, APC Hover, APC Whelled, Rocket Launchers, anti-personnel mines, static gun emplacements, personal . weapons, TAG Light, Support CPP, recoiless Heavy Light Rifle Rifle recoiless, ERLM, HVOC CA-2, CA- HVOC 5,Arrow IV Launcher, Advanced Fire Control and small-arms ammunition) Objetives Raids - FM 3145 - Experimental TRO Periphery
Alphard Trading Corporation: Tank Factory (J E Hoover, Fulcrum Testudo Assault Tank (Arrow IV) Objetives Raids - FM 3145
Alphard Trading Corporation: Minerals Division (Germanium, coltan, uranium, marble Alphard) MPS
Marian Arms Inc: Primitives Mech Factory (Centurion, Icarus, Emperor, Archer) Objetives Raids - MUL Database (Archer)
Marian Arms Inc - Battlemech Factory (Gladiator - GLD-5R) MUL Database

Marian Arms Repair: Workshops Where mechs are assembled Where was mechs adaptations of RL (Marauder II - 4H, Whithworth-4H, JagerMech - JM6-H - Goliath GOL-6H) Objetives Raids
Alphard Trading Corporation: Mech Factory (Locust LC1v2 - Command-4H) FM 3085
Alphard Trading Corporation: Primitives Mech Factory (Centurion) Objetives Raids - Retrotech
Electronics Industry - Marian Electronics Inc (Communications systems, targeting systems and missile guidance)

Horatius

Marian Arms Incs: Batllearmour Factory (? Ravager, Marauder,) 3085 Supplemental ORT - ORT 3145 Mercenaries
Pontifex Petrochemicals Ltd (Petroquimic Industry) MPS
Pontifex Petrochemicals Ltd (Refineries) MPS
Marian Mining Ltd. (Germanium - Litium) MPS

Pompeii

Hadrian Incorpored: Tank Factory (Armored Personel Carrier, Harasser, Harasser Platform, Harasser Hovercraft, Light SRM Carrier, Carrier Laser, LBX 2 Carrier, Heavy LRM Carrier, APC Hover, Whelled APC, APC Tracked) Starcorps Dossiers - Objetives Raids
Hadrian Incorpored: Aerospace Factory: (Shilone) Starcorps Dossiers
Hadrian Incorporated (Personal Light Weapons, Weapons Support, Mortars, SRM Portatiles, Rocket Launchers - ER Lasers for mech and light, medium and heavy fighters) Starcorps Dossiers - Objetives Raids

 Electronic Industries - Marian Electronics Inc (Communications systems, targeting systems and missile guidance) MPS
Hadrian Mechworks Incorpored: Objetives Raids-Field Manual 3145 (IV Legion Fluff)
Alphard Trading Corporation Mining Division Industrial diamonds, fire opals, Germanium) MPS
Suetonius

Octavian Heavy Metal Steel Industries Corporation and Rare Metals Refinery (Armor for Mechs and Tanks) Controled by Alphard Trading Corporation (Ferro Carbon - aluminum Ferro - Ferro-fiber) MPS

Bacallieu

TECHWIZARDS, Ltd: Reconstructive and assembler mechs, Equipment Salvage and Repair Services Battlefield
Naval Training School Techmech and Technical MPS
Electronics Industry - Marian Electronics Inc (Communications systems, targeting systems and missile guidance)

Illyria

Alphard Trading Corporation FM 3145
Electronics Industry - Marian Electronics Inc (Communications systems, targeting systems and missile guidance)
Imperium Romanum Tours (Tourism and Recreation) MPS
Gladiatorum Mechs (Tourism and Leisure) MPS

Trondheimal

Trondheimal Iron and Steel Industries Ltd. Heavy Metal (Armor for Mechs and Tanks) MPS
Trondheimal Iron and Steel Ltd (Metals Refineries) (Ferro-carbon - aluminum Ferro - Ferro-fiber) MPS
Trondheimal Iron and Steel Ltd (Division Extractions - Titanium - Carbon - Iron - Uranium) MPS

Addhara

Alphard Trading Corporation (Fulcrum Factory ?, Tanks (J.Ed Hoover Fulcrum III ?, Goblin Schreck) FM 3145 - Conjectures and Questions???
Alphard Trading Corporation: Factory Battlemech () FM 3145 - Conjectures and Questions
Fidelis Metals (Heavy Metal industries (Armor of Mechs, Tanks & Aerospace Fighters, Advanced Armor) MPS -

[Adacas]

Truetanker I can think of a few flaws with that list . . .

Vehicles
Harasser- produced by neighboring FWL for years, likely picked up in trade or raiding
Maultier- Thought it was a TC exclusive, something they were producing after finding examples but then sold or traded, especially in the wake of the periphery arms agreement
Fulcrum- One of the FedSuns 'new' hovertanks in the 3060s, probably bought used for refurb by the Marian salvage buyers

Mech
Marauder II -4H, pretty sure this was a hand rebuild of old L1 Marauder IIs they got a hold of, not fresh production

Left off?
Icarus II- thought this came up somewhere

The Icarus II as well as other early mech appear in Objetives Raids construction in 3075 and Alphard

The Fulcrum builds the Marian Hegemony, to be exact builds the ATC since 3060 about

The Maultier: the Taurian Concordat sold the building permit also contained in Objetives Raids or Starcopts Dossiers I do not remember well

The Harasser: either version as the Hover platform is built by Hadrain Incorporated in Pompey

[Adacas]

Most production would be limited to low numbers. maybe less the 12 a year.

Under source of information that you say that the production is so low a year?

Both testudo, as battlearmour its production is large enough to sell a lot number on the mercenary market and even some states marik

[Colt Ward]

Ah yeah, the Primitive Emperor, I knew there was a assault that was slipping my mind.

[Adacas]

So according to what Wantec tells us must be added to the list at Centurion-AR and Quasimodo to the list of production, perhaps the Quasimodo a version with less advanced technology available

[Col.Hengist]

So far there is only 1 canon version of the Quasimodo. Until another one with lower we have to assume it's the standard version.

[Colt Ward]

Lol, I used a Quasimodo on the table . . . it was a bit disappointing since no one had PPCs and I did not let it get hot enough to use TSM.  Otherwise its a fine mech and I think really follows the old Hunchback's bodyguard role.  Between it and the Scapha G armed with Med VSPL I became a fan of VSPLs.

[jackson123]

Was meaning mech production on the side like from small building shops. I am not sure on what the numbers producted in the factories would be?

[Adacas]

Was meaning mech production on the side like from small building shops. I am not sure on what the numbers producted in the factories would be?

Factories in 3025 produced 12 to 24 per month not per year

[Col.Hengist]

Factories in 3025 produced 12 to 24 per month not per year

 That depends on which version of 3025 we're talking about😉. But yes, some probably did that many while some did much fewer.

[Weirdo]

Lol, I used a Quasimodo on the table . . . it was a bit disappointing since no one had PPCs and I did not let it get hot enough to use TSM.  Otherwise its a fine mech and I think really follows the old Hunchback's bodyguard role.  Between it and the Scapha G armed with Med VSPL I became a fan of VSPLs.

Having seen a Quasimodo take down a Marauder IIC almost by itself, I will never discount their lethality.

Was meaning mech production on the side like from small building shops. I am not sure on what the numbers producted in the factories would be?

For both small workshops and major factories, discrete production numbers are something the devs have repeatedly said they will NEVER publish. All facilities manufacture their products at the rate needed by the plot, no more, no less. They learned their lessons when older products had production rates with access to actual 31st century economic data, and fans would beat them over the heads with the resulting universe inconsistencies.

[Colt Ward]

Oh it still worked well, but when someone who usually brought PPCs decided not to it sort of robbed the Quasi of some glory.  It was holding the right flank of my Lament against two other mediums- made one break off from damage while getting physical with the other faster med.  Which is why I was regretting the lack of heat for TSM.

[wantec]

Just to clarify before everyone runs off further on the Quasimodo and CN9-Ar, I only said signs point towards those conclusions. Looking at the availability lists in the MUL, the CN9-Ar does show up for the "Jihad 3068-3085" and "Early Republic 3086-3100" time frames. From that we know the Marian Hegemony has access to it, but we don't know for certain if it's built by them. I'd like to think so, but we don't know.

The only tie to the Quasimodo is that one manufacturer name link in the TRO, it's not on the MUL for that era, but that era isn't completed yet. Since we don't have more info in the case of Quasimodo, we can only guess until it's decided either way by some future story or product.

[Adacas]

Just to clarify before everyone runs off further on the Quasimodo and CN9-Ar, I only said signs point towards those conclusions. Looking at the availability lists in the MUL, the CN9-Ar does show up for the "Jihad 3068-3085" and "Early Republic 3086-3100" time frames. From that we know the Marian Hegemony has access to it, but we don't know for certain if it's built by them. I'd like to think so, but we don't know.

The only tie to the Quasimodo is that one manufacturer name link in the TRO, it's not on the MUL for that era, but that era isn't completed yet. Since we don't have more info in the case of Quasimodo, we can only guess until it's decided either way by some future story or product.

Since we are with that, you can theorize the same of CN9-Ar Centurion on its origin and construction on the following mechs: COM-Dr Commando, DV-6MR Dervish, WHD-6RB Warhammer? Because I find no mention of where they are built

[jackson123]

production lines on addhara as of 3099.

[Adacas]

production lines on addhara as of 3099.

but Pompey lines and Alphard come from before 3085 or so

[Weirdo]

I believe most of the -r mechs are not new construction, but rebuilds of existing old chassis. So the CN9-Ar is a refit of existing 3025-vintage CN9-A mechs. There would not be a factory.

[Adacas]

I believe most of the -r mechs are not new construction, but rebuilds of existing old chassis. So the CN9-Ar is a refit of existing 3025-vintage CN9-A mechs. There would not be a factory.

Being that if (what the mecha R), that could be inferred based on the COM-4H we could have evolved such that other design?

[Weirdo]

No offense, but...huh? ???

[Adacas]

No offense, but...huh? ???

That having the ability to build the COM-4H Commando could build the COM-2Dr Commando?

[jackson123]

That having the ability to build the COM-4H Commando could build the COM-2Dr Commando?

Makes sense they would be able to build both.

[Weirdo]

That having the ability to build the COM-4H Commando could build the COM-2Dr Commando?

My policy is to always assume the answer is no, until a book explicitly says so. I apply this to all things, not just Marian Commandos.

Disclaimer: This only happens when I care about mech production figures enough to allocate brain-time to them.

[Arkansas Warrior]

Factories in 3025 produced 12 to 24 per month not per year

Huh?  In '25, the Corean factory on New Avalon produced around 11 Valkyries a month (130/year), and it was considered a marvel, the most productive factory in the nation.  By contrast, Quentin produced only 5 Atlases a year.