MotW: Kingfisher

[marauder648]

Fixed

Was trying to be polite :p

[The Eagle]

Bushwacker, Lineholder, Spartan, Piranha, Night Gyr, T Hawk, Devastator, Pillager...and those are just the good looking ones I can think of off the top of my head.

[marauder648]

I'd not even say those :s The Emperor's AC's are so wide bore that it looks like its had mech scale party poppers strapped to its arms instead of cannons.  It is really a case of re-do the lot.

[Sjhernan3060]

Fixed

Agreed!

[Sjhernan3060]

My intern just 3D Printed a great re sculpt of the C variant. Is it ok to post pics?

[Empyrus]

My intern just 3D Printed a great re sculpt of the C variant. Is it ok to post pics?

You better ask mods or admins about that.
See the rule 10 thing:
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=5.0

[JadeHellbringer]

I'll make it easy.

Nope.

Nothing personal, but we exist at the whims of lawyers, and our rules reflect THEIR rules. I'm sure it's an awesome miniature, but it can't get posted here.

[Sjhernan3060]

I'll make it easy.

Nope.

Nothing personal, but we exist at the whims of lawyers, and our rules reflect THEIR rules. I'm sure it's an awesome miniature, but it can't get posted here.

No worries I thought it best to ask first

[Tyler Jorgensson]

Not to get off topic but I love the fact that you have an intern that enjoys Battletech.

‘Hey Intern: Fridays your review day: bring your minis for a Trial of Position at this company. Selya!”

[Wrangler]

Not to get off topic but I love the fact that you have an intern that enjoys Battletech.

‘Hey Intern: Fridays your review day: bring your minis for a Trial of Position at this company. Selya!”

Lol.  You should have trialed it with Kingfishers. See who last man standing.

[Sjhernan3060]

Not to get off topic but I love the fact that you have an intern that enjoys Battletech.

‘Hey Intern: Fridays your review day: bring your minis for a Trial of Position at this company. Selya!”

Lol I noticed he had 3D printed Pokémon and I asked if he could help me out

[Sjhernan3060]

Because it’s such a solid dump truck of a mech did the fisher see a spike in production during and right after the WOR?

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

No.

As a matter of fact, I believe the Kingfisher's production line was destroyed.

[mbear]

No.

As a matter of fact, I believe the Kingfisher's production line was destroyed.

I think you're mistaken.

Found it. In the WoR Supplemental, pg 16, bottom of the left column, the Stone Lions sought out and won factories for the Kignfisher. It should be considered the core the Lions' assault OmniMechs going forward. At least that's what I was thinking win I did the 3085 RATs for WoR Supplemental. That said, the Lions took 'Mechs whenever and wherever they could, so initially they'd have a mix of most anything, even things on the Discarded Tools of War list.

[Hellraiser]

I'll make it easy.

Nope.

Nothing personal, but we exist at the whims of lawyers, and our rules reflect THEIR rules. I'm sure it's an awesome miniature, but it can't get posted here.

I gotta ask since this seems to contradict other things I've seen.

But when someone makes there own Warhammer from greenstuff & spare parts, & post pics in the minis section, or posts pics of their art drawings, how is that different than posting a 3D print out?

Advertising to sell them I could see, but if you are just posting your home crafted artistic creations, how is that one wrong?

[Weirdo]

Simple: You haven't been specifically told not to post greenstuff Warhammers. You have been specifically told not to post printed minis.

[Greatclub]

I gotta ask since this seems to contradict other things I've seen.

But when someone makes there own Warhammer from greenstuff & spare parts, & post pics in the minis section, or posts pics of their art drawings, how is that different than posting a 3D print out?

Advertising to sell them I could see, but if you are just posting your home crafted artistic creations, how is that one wrong?

IANAL. Take this with a grain of salt.

1) The battletech IP is split. Topps owns one half, Microsoft the other. As they are both huge companies, neither wants to poke the other.

2) Nobody unauthorized is allowed to make money off the IP. Since it can't (easily) be proven that no money changed hands in the production of that print, WHACK

3) MWO prints are directly derived from MWO (Read: Microsoft) IP. Given the process, it's much harder to say the same about green stuff sculpts.

4) A lawyer said so because lawyer reasons and the definitions of "fair use". Go to law school to figure them out.

[wantec]

I think you're mistaken.

And as a follow on to this, the Lions would keep the factory in production as long as needed. If they hit a stockpile of resources that made other production a better choice they might switch. Or if they created their own design, etc.

[Wrangler]

And as a follow on to this, the Lions would keep the factory in production as long as needed. If they hit a stockpile of resources that made other production a better choice they might switch. Or if they created their own design, etc.

Maybe a hybrid of this one called the LionKing. (runs)

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

I think you're mistaken.

So I am.  Must have been thinking about new production being unavailable to the IS Clans or something.

[wantec]

Maybe a hybrid of this one called the LionKing. (runs)

It'd be a quad inspired by the Kingfisher

[Jellico]

And as a follow on to this, the Lions would keep the factory in production as long as needed. If they hit a stockpile of resources that made other production a better choice they might switch. Or if they created their own design, etc.

As I always say in these situations, why build a 200 year old Mech when you can build a 1 year old Mech? Battletech abstracts a lot of things. Even if the old Mech is functionally the same in the game board there will be lots of little improvements made over the preceding years e.g. ease of maintenance, ergonomics, monomer material, that makes the new Mech better.

[Greatclub]

As I always say in these situations, why build a 200 year old Mech when you can build a 1 year old Mech? Battletech abstracts a lot of things. Even if the old Mech is functionally the same in the game board there will be lots of little improvements made over the preceding years e.g. ease of maintenance, ergonomics, monomer material, that makes the new Mech better.

Wasn't that the case with the Stormcrow? One of the three or four most brutal mechs in tro 3050, and we later learn that it was being phased out as a relic with bad ergonomics.

Why not just give the basic frame a working over as with the vulture/vulture II is my question.

[JadeHellbringer]

That holds particularly true in the case of a big lunk like this thing, with almost everything on it being basic entry-level equipment. There's only so long one can patch machinery up before it just doesn't run right anymore (something that, as noted above, Battletech doesn't really care about- which is fine), so when a Kingfisher wears out I would think it would be pretty reasonable to just build a fresh one (or a fresh design!) than to keep fixing up something that is designed to get shot to pieces over and over, as this design in particular is prone to being.

[Kit deSummersville]

1) The battletech IP is split. Topps owns one half, Microsoft the other. As they are both huge companies, neither wants to poke the other.

If only it were so simple. VWE also has a portion of the IP.

[Starfury]

My favorite Clan assault mech. I used it in a campaign back during the early 90s after it was released in Mechforce, and it did great against most Clan and IS units.  Of course that was back when only 3055, 2750, 3050 and 3026 the only TROs available, so...The

Kingfisher forms the anvil for many of my Ghost Bear or Blood Spirit Assault Stars, with faster or better armed units acting as the hammer for the rest of the Star.  They work well in conjunction with any Clan or IS assault/heavy Star/lance, except a fast cavalry unit, and that can always be fixed with a Supercharger.  I still have yet to use in the post Clan Invasion era, but it should hold up well even against monsters like the Hellstar or the Targe...

[Caedis Animus]

Why not just give the basic frame a working over as with the vulture/vulture II is my question.

Because that makes sense, and making sense is not the Clan way.

This goes for the Stormcrow and the Kingfisher.

[Firesprocket]

Because that makes sense, and making sense is not the Clan way.

This goes for the Stormcrow and the Kingfisher.

What exactly needs to be changed on either design?  If isn't broken, why try and fix it? 

[Jellico]

It is hard to make a better Kingfisher. Any useful weight saving technology reduces the survivability that makes it unique. Alternatively improved armours cut too deeply into the limited pod space.

[Caedis Animus]

What exactly needs to be changed on either design?  If isn't broken, why try and fix it?

The Stormcrow's bad ergonomics and the aging chassis of the Kingfisher.

It's less of a "This mech is awful! And needs a reboot to get better!" problem, and more of a "This mech is great, but would be way better if we updated it without sacrificing what it was known for." sort of issue.

Like, the Blood Asp is great and all, but... It's so far removed from what made the Kingfisher great, to the point of where it's not really the same role anymore, but instead an out-of-left-field change.