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Re: Mech of the Week: DVS- Devastator
« Reply #90 on: 04 February 2024, 10:38:11 »
They do.  But Reflective Armor also takes double damage from physical attacks, so a 100 ton mech charging from 9 hexes?  That's a lot of damage.  A lot more than two 9 point and two 6 point hits.
Yep, that bane of being able reflect energy damage.  While its still normal arm against regular attacks. Once things get physical, your hosed.

Then again, aside from Thunderhawk being super stay at long range specialist, Devastator is able move reasonably fast for a Assault, as long you  generally keep at medium/long range for the enemy and not close in with them.  Gauss Rifles are still brutal hammers when your firing volleys of two or more at a target.   
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Re: Mech of the Week: DVS- Devastator
« Reply #91 on: 07 February 2024, 10:46:46 »
I don't think we can talk about the Devastator's RecGuide variants without the new art  :cool:

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Re: Mech of the Week: DVS- Devastator
« Reply #92 on: 07 February 2024, 10:53:12 »
I don't think we can talk about the Devastator's RecGuide variants without the new art  :cool:


Interestingly enough, with some work you could model a Battle Armor suit off of it.

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Re: Mech of the Week: DVS- Devastator
« Reply #93 on: 10 February 2024, 23:49:54 »
I prefer the DVS 2 and the 3 over the other variants, but I see what Davion is aiming for with the newer variants. I'm sad to see we didn't get a full up Clan version at some point, but such is life. The new art and in service date in 3048 makes me a happy Lyran though

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Re: Mech of the Week: DVS- Devastator
« Reply #94 on: 11 February 2024, 01:40:02 »
A full-up Clan version would basically just be a Behemoth.
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Re: Mech of the Week: DVS- Devastator
« Reply #95 on: 11 February 2024, 02:06:31 »
Maybe not since it would probably be based off the EC- so ERPPCs still instead of pulse lasers.
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Re: Mech of the Week: DVS- Devastator
« Reply #96 on: 11 February 2024, 11:44:54 »
Hmm, I just feel like that wouldn't really be doing anything that dozens of other Clan assault mechs already do.
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Re: Mech of the Week: DVS- Devastator
« Reply #97 on: 11 February 2024, 12:55:28 »
Hmm, I just feel like that wouldn't really be doing anything that dozens of other Clan assault mechs already do.

Not really disagreeing- ERPPC or LPL w/ Gauss has been done.
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Re: Mech of the Week: DVS- Devastator
« Reply #98 on: 11 February 2024, 13:23:26 »
Not really disagreeing- ERPPC or LPL w/ Gauss has been done.

According to MegaMek, only the Crucible 2 is configured with dual Clan Gauss and dual Clan ER PPC.  It's not an alpha baby either.
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Re: Mech of the Week: DVS- Devastator
« Reply #99 on: 11 February 2024, 13:29:34 »
I prefer the DVS 2 and the 3 over the other variants, but I see what Davion is aiming for with the newer variants. I'm sad to see we didn't get a full up Clan version at some point, but such is life. The new art and in service date in 3048 makes me a happy Lyran though

To be fair everyone on the forums has made a Devastator IIC in the fan-made forums. Simple solution in swap to Clan tech weapons, frame, DHS, armor etc.

It would be nice of course but Omni-mechs became a thing and any particular Omni with enough pod space can replicate it.

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Re: Mech of the Week: DVS- Devastator
« Reply #100 on: 11 February 2024, 13:38:10 »
It would be nice of course but Omni-mechs became a thing and any particular Omni with enough pod space can replicate it.

It was a pretty popular Dire Wolf configuration in MechWarrior Online.
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Re: Mech of the Week: DVS- Devastator
« Reply #101 on: 11 February 2024, 13:38:36 »
According to MegaMek, only the Crucible 2 is configured with dual Clan Gauss and dual Clan ER PPC.  It's not an alpha baby either.

Sure but you have . . .

Dire Wolf A- GR & 3 LPL
Dire Wolf H- 2 GR & 2 HLL
Dire Wolf Widowmaker- if you just look at the ranged damage, matches DVS profile
Supernova 3- same was DW Widowmaker
Tomahawk Prime- matches DVS
Deimos A- flip dmg profiles, 2 ERPPC, 2 LB-10X
Jupiter 2- same as Deimos

After a quick look at basic rules designs.

To be fair everyone on the forums has made a Devastator IIC in the fan-made forums. Simple solution in swap to Clan tech weapons, frame, DHS, armor etc.

It would be nice of course but Omni-mechs became a thing and any particular Omni with enough pod space can replicate it.

Which is why 5 of those I cited are Omnis.  I mean the Dire Wolf is a pretty basic frame for duplicating any of the Star League 3/5 assaults and getting just a bit more.  It is when you start talking those that are faster or like the Liao update of the Pillager to Stealth armor that you have to start reaching.
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Re: Mech of the Week: DVS- Devastator
« Reply #102 on: 11 February 2024, 14:02:13 »
Sure but you have . . .

Dire Wolf A- GR & 3 LPL
Dire Wolf H- 2 GR & 2 HLL
Dire Wolf Widowmaker- if you just look at the ranged damage, matches DVS profile
Supernova 3- same was DW Widowmaker
Tomahawk Prime- matches DVS
Deimos A- flip dmg profiles, 2 ERPPC, 2 LB-10X
Jupiter 2- same as Deimos

After a quick look at basic rules designs.

Agreed - I was thinking of four headcappers.  The Dire Wolf A only has one  :wink:
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Re: Mech of the Week: DVS- Devastator
« Reply #103 on: 11 February 2024, 15:01:50 »
But they look like thier parent designs, not a Devastator.  :cool:

Hmm, I just feel like that wouldn't really be doing anything that dozens of other Clan assault mechs already do.

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Re: Mech of the Week: DVS- Devastator
« Reply #104 on: 12 February 2024, 20:43:29 »
regarding clantech upgrades for the DVS, one intreasting idea might be 2 silverbulelt gausses and 2 clan tech ERPPCs. open holes with the PPCs and then buckshot the crap outta the enemy mech
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Re: Mech of the Week: DVS- Devastator
« Reply #105 on: 12 February 2024, 21:04:22 »
I like the Silver Bullet Gauss idea as we don't see enough of that weapon imo.

It's kinda hard to beat the DVS 2 without deviating away from range, then you still have to compete with similar overlapping designs. A duel RAC+Snubs would be a brutal urban combat build but would be similar to the King Crab KGC-007.   
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Re: Mech of the Week: DVS- Devastator
« Reply #106 on: 27 March 2024, 10:39:55 »
Brian Davion,

double SB Gauss double cERPPC with a few lasers is nasty nasty.  I'm going to do that up in MegaMek.

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Re: Mech of the Week: DVS- Devastator
« Reply #107 on: 27 March 2024, 19:20:47 »
Brian Davion,

double SB Gauss double cERPPC with a few lasers is nasty nasty.  I'm going to do that up in MegaMek.

Even all IS tech; double Silver Bullet Gauss and double ER PPC would be vicious. Similar to a Carronade. The Devastator is symmetrical, otherwise I’d say 1 SB Gauss, 1 regular Gauss, and 2 ER PPC’s would be cool/ cover both ranged hole punching and crit seeking, but 2 SB and 2 PPC covers that in spades and stays symmetrical and in line with the art.

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Re: Mech of the Week: DVS- Devastator
« Reply #108 on: 27 March 2024, 20:09:13 »
I mean the SB GR is a straight up swap for the standard IS GR yeah? so you could refit the basic DVS-2 to those specs
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Re: Mech of the Week: DVS- Devastator
« Reply #109 on: 28 March 2024, 12:17:36 »
In later ages I'm not a fan of Devastator but faster. 

So a Dark Age/ IlClan version with 2 cERPPCs and 2 SB Gauss sounds Deliciously nasty, and plan hasn't been done at all yet.

In addition to punching holes and filling them with SB Gauss flechettes, nasty as hell to VTOLs, aerospace, and combat vehicles, just searching for crits/motive hits.

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Re: Mech of the Week: DVS- Devastator
« Reply #110 on: 28 March 2024, 12:41:29 »
Even all IS tech; double Silver Bullet Gauss and double ER PPC would be vicious. Similar to a Carronade. The Devastator is symmetrical, otherwise I’d say 1 SB Gauss, 1 regular Gauss, and 2 ER PPC’s would be cool/ cover both ranged hole punching and crit seeking, but 2 SB and 2 PPC covers that in spades and stays symmetrical and in line with the art.

I didn't take the time to post--but you nailed my thought on the head. Two Clan-grade ER PPC (produced in FedSuns already for the new Marauder lines) backed up by one regular IS Gauss Rifle and one SB Gauss would be just sick.  The extra heat would be slightly problematic, but I doubt anyone would complain about the extra firepower.  Perhaps drop a medium laser for an extra HS.  I don't want to derail thread, so I'll go ahead and say the DVS-11 is back on track. 

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Re: Mech of the Week: DVS- Devastator
« Reply #111 on: 28 March 2024, 19:42:14 »
I didn't take the time to post--but you nailed my thought on the head. Two Clan-grade ER PPC (produced in FedSuns already for the new Marauder lines) backed up by one regular IS Gauss Rifle and one SB Gauss would be just sick.  The extra heat would be slightly problematic, but I doubt anyone would complain about the extra firepower.  Perhaps drop a medium laser for an extra HS.  I don't want to derail thread, so I'll go ahead and say the DVS-11 is back on track.

Hey, not bad for a dude who’s actually never designed a Mech and is still trying to figure out the construction rules! 😆 (My current fantasy project is doing “3025 Now”, redesigning all the original 3025 stock Mechs but using all off the Ilkhan era tech available, like the stock was would have something like a light PPC, and MML 3, reflective armor, and maybe advance structure, improve jump nets, partial wing, etc. Take all that with a grain of salt, though,  because, like I said, I’ve got the ideas, but no idea what I’m doing 😆).

Back on the Devastator: I was saying IS ER PPCs, not even going as nasty as the Clan ER PPCs.
To steer further back on topic, I love the new art and plastic sculpt of the Devastator, too, and can’t wait until mine arrive.

 

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