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« Reply #1320 on: 05 February 2021, 11:30:49 »
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/7294/beowulf-iic-pr

The Beowulf IIC PR probably should be extinct post-Early Republic, and be Unique as well due to its prototype status. Not only does it use C3I system, and XTRO Republic I indicates it could not be manufactured further once RotS dismantled C3I manufacturing.

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« Reply #1321 on: 05 February 2021, 11:34:04 »
there were a limited number of prototypes. at least one has survived into the DA
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« Reply #1322 on: 05 February 2021, 11:36:54 »
there were a limited number of prototypes (unique is used for very small numbers as well). at least one has survived into the DA
It did? Well then. Still reckon "unique" would be appropriate on the account of the variant's limited numbers.

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« Reply #1323 on: 05 February 2021, 11:39:13 »
i thought that it was already flagged as unique - added that for the DA.

most jihad-era prototypes from the XTROs do disappear post-3085, but a few slip through

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« Reply #1324 on: 05 February 2021, 12:20:24 »
Oddity: The Avatar-Prime (and C and F picked randomly) are available to the Clan Nova Cat, but the Avatar-U is available to the Rasalhague Dominion but not the Nova Cat.
I would presume the latter should be for the Clan Nova Cat rather than Rasalhague. Would be kinda weird to field only one OmniMech configuration.

Based off of the availabilities of the base Avatar chassis, the AV1-OU's RD availability is definitely in error. Fixed.
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« Reply #1325 on: 06 February 2021, 17:24:44 »
A Raven question:
The -4L is not available to the CapCon by the Dark Age but the C3 version -4LC is. Is this an error or have the Cappies moved to the -5L except where C3 use required?

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2666/raven-rvn-4l
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2667/raven-rvn-4lc

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« Reply #1326 on: 06 February 2021, 17:31:14 »
pretty much. they still make the 4L but that production largely goes to their underlings allies. you can still find the 4L in the CCAF, but not in large enough numbers to make the threshold 

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« Reply #1327 on: 06 February 2021, 17:31:54 »
Makes sense, thanks!

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« Reply #1328 on: 08 February 2021, 12:07:28 »
Hi guys. I moved on to the rabbit hole of vehicle research. I have a handful of potential errata for them, though most are potential issues on availability. I put the ones that are almost certainly errata first.

1. Rhino FST (standard): source should be TR3050U not TR3039: http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4913/rhino-fire-support-tank-standard

2. Zorya (ammo) variant: Has an intro date of 2841, but Zorya (standard) has an intro date of 2842, and the ammo variant is described as a field refit of the standard model in TR3060. So, should be introduced same year or after: http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3652/zorya-light-tank-ammo

3. Badger (C) and Bandit (C) should likely have Clan availability now that pre-Clan Invasion availabilities are in the MUL. Both have intro dates of 2875, implying that at least Clan Wolf had access to them prior to the invasion. That said, I'm not sure that there is any canon that gives guidance on who else (or if they become extinct on some point, etc.) It affects all Omni variants, but I just listed the prime ones below.
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/199/badger-c-tracked-transport-prime
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/228/bandit-c-hovercraft-prime

Here are a few availability issues that just need some filling in of missing eras:
4. Sabaku Kaze (standad): based on TR3075 fluff, should be available through Succession Wars to Draconis combine since they are available later and no additional units were produced then (so add availability to LSW-LT, LSW-R eras)
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2761/sabaku-kaze-heavy-scout-hover-tank-standard

5. Swift Wind (standard): add SIC to Civil War era (is available to SIC in prior eras and doubt it was extinct for them 3062-63)
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3145/swift-wind-scout-car-standard

6. Darter Scout Car (SRM) and (SRM2) variants: based on TR3075 fluff, should be available to Fed Suns in LSW-LT and LSW-R eras.
ALSO: pretty sure that (SRM) variant should also be Introductory technology (not Standard tech, which is why it should be available in LSWs)
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4050/darter-scout-car-srm2
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/835/darter-scout-car-srm

And then these are availability issues that are a bit more fuzzy, but look to be errata based on the sources cited.
7. Nightshade (standard): ComStar should have availability during Clan Invasion and Civil War eras, based on TR3050U (fluff says they had them on Tukayyid through bombing by WoB, which was Jan-3068)
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2278/nightshade-ecm-vtol-standard

8. And Nightshade (armor): also based on fluff from TR3050U, think this is the "2-passenger" downgraded SW-era variant, so I think there are two issues:
Technology should be Introductory (not Standard),
Availability should be IS-General instead of Comstar for all eras (or until they are extinct at some point given the tech level?)
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2274/nightshade-ecm-vtol-armor

9. J Edgar (MG variant): based on TR3039 fluff, should be available to Taurians in all eras (i.e., should have same availability as Flamer variant since both are mentioned as "common refits" together)
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1640/j-edgar-light-hover-tank-mg

10. Pegasus (3058 upgrade): should be available to Liao and Marik during Clan Invasion, Civil War, and Jihad eras (and maybe other factions who were exported to as well?). Earthwerks (FWL) and Hellespont (CC) is listed as a producer of the upgrade in TR3058U, and both are listed as producers of the standard model in TR3039
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2455/pegasus-scout-hover-tank-3058-upgrade

11. Prowler MTV (support variant): based on TR3085-Supp, this is an APC version of the downgraded SW-era variant ("most common variant of the SW-era"), so probably should be available to everyone (IS-General, Periph-General, Mercs) in LSW-LT and LSW-R eras.
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2588/prowler-multi-terrain-vehicle-support

12. Prowler MTV (sealed variant): also based on TR3085-Supp, this is the environmentally sealed version that is exclusive to Explorer Corps, so probably only should be available to ComStar throughout (or at least available to them only in earlier eras)? Also looked at Explorer Corps fluff for it, which seems to describe the same variant, but it's not clear if the version produced throughout the IS that the EC SB fluff cites is the same one, mostly because this variant has LosTech and there exists a downgraded variant.
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2585/prowler-multi-terrain-vehicle-sealed

13. Rommel (Gauss): If availability of standard model is retconned from the Taurians (Obj Raids vs. Rommel fluff in TR3039 stating that their production of the Rommel was just a rumor), then it's not clear how the Taurians have the upgraded Gauss variant.
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2735/rommel-tank-gauss

14. Padilla HAT (LRM variant): according to the TR3058U fluff, this is the SW-era Liao downgrade, and they only had 20 of them as of the 1st SW. So, this should probably be available to Liao for LSW-LT and LSW-R eras. On top of that, since the standard (Arrow IV) version is available to Liao starting in the Clan Invasion era, perhaps this variant should also be extinct from either the Clan Invasion or Civil War eras forward? At the same time, it is Standard tech (is this correct?). If that's the case, maybe all are gone by 2SW (and Liao doesn't have the standard variant)? Either way, something is inconsistent here...
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2403/padilla-heavy-artillery-tank-lrm

15. Po (standard): original TR3058 suggests that Liao begins exporting the Po in 3038, especially to Mercs (and also Houses). TR3058 also cites Mercs as popular customers, but only cites FWL as customers as of 3060 ("over the last ten years"). So, I think at least Mercs (and maybe others?) should have availability in LSW-R era.
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2549/po-heavy-tank-standard

 (And yes, I've also gone down the aerospace rabbit hole. I just need to verify a few things and will post what I found there soon, too...  ;) )

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« Reply #1329 on: 08 February 2021, 12:19:30 »
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2333/orion-on1-k-kerensky
Kerensky's Orion, has introduction date 2753 and sports a Snub-nose PPC. Which was developed in 2779 by the Star League.
BattleTech Legends does mention Kerensky kept tinkering with his Orion and changed loadouts, so it seems likely the Snubby-armed version appeared circa 2779 (or later).
So, should Kerensky's Orion have its introduction date altered? Seems easier than issuing errata regarding the Snub-nose PPC's introduction date (though i think the Star League sourcebook had it "appear" around mid-2700s rather than its current introduction date).

Update on the update: This has largely been tentatively resolved. It will require some errata if adopted.

The prototype date for the SNPPC will have to be moved up to 2695 due to the PHX-HK1R's entry stating explicitly in TR3085 that it was produced before the classic unseen Phoenix Hawk LAM that appeared in 2701. Kerensky's Orion and the Royal Falcon will stay where they are. The PXH-1c "Special" is being bumped up to 2765 so it agrees with the Falcon's fluff. The Falcon's Fluff in OP Klondike will have to be modified slightly as well to acknowledge the Phoenix Hawk LAM as the first user of the snub.
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« Reply #1330 on: 08 February 2021, 12:28:08 »
Wow?
100 years more Snubbie... huh.

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« Reply #1331 on: 08 February 2021, 12:37:51 »
our hands were tied by the Mk1 LAM. ultimately in canon it's not going to affect much... maybe a unit or two appearing down the road. it does give people some more wiggle room in home games to have fun with it

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« Reply #1332 on: 08 February 2021, 12:42:01 »
Yeah sure, it was an easy way to correct stuff, and pretty good one too considering that previous info placed the Snubbie earlier in timeline, not to mention it ties nicely to ERPPC development, maybe.
I'm just mildly amused a rather simple question results in stuff like this.

EDIT Checked The Star League, which gives the original date for the Snubbie as 2690s. So all this did was to restore canon basically :)
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« Reply #1333 on: 08 February 2021, 12:45:10 »
the other bit was that the original Star League book had the gun appearing during the reign of Jonathan Cameron so the LAM's intro date allowed us to not have to mess with that.

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« Reply #1334 on: 08 February 2021, 13:32:14 »
snip
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« Reply #1335 on: 08 February 2021, 19:04:44 »
A victory for the OG Star Leauge book?  AWESOME!  :thumbsup:

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« Reply #1336 on: 09 February 2021, 23:56:13 »
wall'o'words

Answers!

1. Rhino: error, fixed.
2. Zorya: error, supported by the intro to the Clan vehicle section as well. Fixed.
3. We're not there yet. The only Clan units to have availabilities in pre-CI eras so far are those introduced in the year 2900 or later, or those found in TR:Golden Century.
4. We're not there yet. We'll come to it in due time.
5. Fixed. Availability expanded to cover all Swift Wind variants.
6. See point 4. Tech level fixed.
7. Nighshade: error, fixed.
8. Nightshade (armor): Tech level fixed. Availabilities given to other factions in Early SW era.
9. J. Edgar (MG): Variant adjusted to follow base model's availabilities.
10. Pegasus: Error, fixed.
11. See point 4.
12. Prowler (sealed): Distribution will remain as-is.
13. Rommel: Availabilities massaged to better follow the standard model.
14. Padilla: Availabilities will remain as-is. Perhaps House Liao refit more of their Padillas to this standard.
15. Po: Po: Merc availability give. FWL will remain off of LSW-R due to conflicting information in 3058u.

Thanks for your time in finding these!
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« Reply #1337 on: 10 February 2021, 07:05:15 »
Should the Hellbringer have wider availability? Recognition Guide 1 says that the Clan Sea Fox provides it to all buyers, which has lead to its appearance across the Inner Sphere, and details a case of Cappies vs mercs where the latter used the Hellbringer.

Or is this is a case of "yeah, anyone can have a Hellbringer but not to the extent it appears on MUL"?

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1929/loki-hellbringer-prime

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« Reply #1338 on: 10 February 2021, 11:14:22 »
Answers!

*snip*

Thanks for your time in finding these!

My pleasure! You guys are MUL updating machines.

I'll post what I have for Aerospace soon (significantly smaller list, I think), and that might be it from me for a while.

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« Reply #1339 on: 10 February 2021, 11:16:27 »
feel free. i've drafted late-era fighter and small craft stuff but it's still in the review queue. we can make adjustments behind the scenes if necessary and avoid later adjustments (in other words, good timing)

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« Reply #1340 on: 10 February 2021, 12:03:21 »
Should the Hellbringer have wider availability? Recognition Guide 1 says that the Clan Sea Fox provides it to all buyers, which has lead to its appearance across the Inner Sphere, and details a case of Cappies vs mercs where the latter used the Hellbringer.

Or is this is a case of "yeah, anyone can have a Hellbringer but not to the extent it appears on MUL"?

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1929/loki-hellbringer-prime

This was actually previously discussed, but it looks like we forgot to implement the changes. Making them now.
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« Reply #1341 on: 11 February 2021, 15:24:48 »
Alpha Strike issue. Maybe.
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6413/hitotsume-kozo-hkz-1p

This Hitotsume sports jump jets, should it have that jump-weak ability? The 1F variant does have that.

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« Reply #1342 on: 11 February 2021, 15:33:54 »
Alpha Strike issue. Maybe.
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6413/hitotsume-kozo-hkz-1p

This Hitotsume sports jump jets, should it have that jump-weak ability? The 1F variant does have that.

No. A unit must at least have different movement profiles for ground and jump to have jump-weak.  Where a unit has weak or strong jump is relative to its ground movement.  The 1P has the same ground and jump movement.  The 1F has a higher ground than jump movement.
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« Reply #1343 on: 11 February 2021, 15:45:18 »
Ah, i see. Will keep this in mind for future. (Not familiar with the AS changes.)

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« Reply #1344 on: 13 February 2021, 23:30:10 »
Enyo Strike Tank (LBX) “Sholef”

Movement is listed as 12”t, based on its record sheet from 3067:Unabridged it should be 10”. No change to TMM.

I looked at the errata thread for 3067U and there was no mention of 5/8 being wrong there
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« Reply #1345 on: 14 February 2021, 16:50:53 »
feel free. i've drafted late-era fighter and small craft stuff but it's still in the review queue. we can make adjustments behind the scenes if necessary and avoid later adjustments (in other words, good timing)

Ok, here's what I have for all aerospace! I actually didn't have too much for fighters themselves. Mostly dropships, jumpships, and warships.

Aerospace fighters:
1. Trident TRN-3U: TR3050U fluff suggests that this is the downgraded version that can still be found in the "periphery, backwater militias, and independent states" as of 3070, so probably not extinct? (I would guess available to Periphery-General for LSW-LT, LSW-R, and maybe Clan Invasion eras?)
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5277/trident-trn-3u

2. Rogue RGU-133P: I think this is supposed to the the unsuccessful Lyran PPC variant referenced in its TR3050U fluff. So, a) probably not available to Comstar (Intro date is 2821), and instead available to Steiner from ESW on? (and maybe even extinct at some point, too?)
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2734/rogue-rgu-133p

3. Hellcat-213D, Hellcat HCT-213S: According to TR3075 fluff, Steiner *and* Davion should have access to both of these variants. I'm pretty sure "S" references space-superiority, and "D" references DropShip, not the usual "Steiner" and "Davion" variants. (In other words, both should probably have the same availability as HCT-213R)
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4296/hellcat-hct-213d
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5539/hellcat-hct-213s   

4. Chippewa CHP-W7: This is an SLDF LosTech variant that was reintroduced just prior to the Clan invasion [TR3039 fluff], so it should should either be: A) extinct prior to Clan Invasion era (then available as specified thereafter), or B) available only to Comstar prior to the Clan Invasion era, with Comstar, WoB also having availability from Clan Invasion thru Jihad (since it has a SF-era Intro year)
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/586/chippewa-chp-w7

DropShips:
5. Fury (2638): Should also be available to Comstar in ESW, LSW-LT, and LSW-R eras? (no source but would be consistent with availabilities of all other SL-era DropShips)
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4191/fury-2638

6. Leopard (PPC): This is the PPC variant produced by the Canopians [Objective Raids fluff for producer], but the availability shifts abruptly pre/post Clan Invasion. One of two fixes probably works: i.e., Canopians exported it widely and therefore available to all even after Clan invasion, or Canopians kept home-grown variant to themselves before and after Clan invasion. But the current available to all prior to the Clans and then only MoC afterwards seems weird.
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4495/leopard-ppc

7. Gazelle (2531): Should also be available to Mercenaries in all eras it is available to IS-General and Periph-General? (no source but would be consistent with all other SL-era ships that are available to the general lists)
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4204/gazelle-2531

8. Intruder (Liao): Should this only be available to Capellans and St Ives throughout? I didn't see any mention of export, outside producers, etc., in Dropships & Jumpships or TR3057R.
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4370/intruder-liao

9. Vulture (2405), Vulture (Standard), Vulture (cargo): I think the three variants are switched around here based on the TR3075 fluff.
--Standard: http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5369/vulture-standard  I think this is the primitive-tech era original model and should probably be extinct by the end of the Star League?
--2405: http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/7340/vulture-2405 I think this is the "standard" SL-era version and should likely be available to Mercs and Periph-General from LSW on according to TR3075?
--Cargo: http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5368/vulture-cargo The "converted commercial shipping" version in the fluff? If so, should probably be available to Periph-General from LSW-LT era, too?

10. Condor (3054): I am pretty sure the availability should be FWL, not the Lyrans. The producer is Nimikachi Fusion on Dalton (TR3057R, with Dalton location inferred from DS&JS and Obj Raids).
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3984/condor-3054

11. Vengeance (3056): I am pretty sure the availability should also be FWL, not Fed Suns. The Kallon plant referenced in the TR3057R fluff should refer to the one on Loyalty. I don't think Kallon made any DS, JS, or WS in the Fed Suns.
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5343/vengeance-3056

12. Mammoth (2658), Behemoth (2658): These are both from a reference in the Star League SB about an earlier producer, presumably about the SL-era version of the Standard variant listed in TR3057R. As such, both should probably have the same availabilities throughout. Currently, Mammoth is available to all, but Behemoth is extinct by the Clan Invasion.
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4575/mammoth-2658
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3811/behemoth-2658

JumpsShips and Warships:
11. Scout JumpShip (std):  Should also be available to Mercenaries in Clan Invasion and later eras (no source but would be consistent with earlier eras and all other SL-era ships that are available to the general lists)
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4999/scout-jumpship-standard

12. Tramp JumpShip (std): This is actually an errata in TR3057R, so I don't know how to fix this. The fluff says it was "produced sporadically throughout the SWs" but this cannot be true because it has LosTech weapons. Ideally, it would go extinct by the LSW-LT era (and reappear in the Clan Invasion era),  and there would be some "Tramp (2835)" downgraded variant available, but I don't think anything like that exists in the canon.   So...  :-\
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5273/tramp-jumpship-standard

13. Whirlwind (2606): This is the original SL-era model, but the TR3057R fluff states that all of them left on the Exodus, and the only Whirlwind ever noted in the Comstar/WoB fleets was the captured CGB Fire Fang, which would presumably be the Lithium-Fusion "(Clan)" variant (and Comstar has it as available in its MUL entry to confirm). So, I think it should be extinct (in the IS) from ESW forward?
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5402/whirlwind-destroyer-2606

14. Finally, I think all 5 of these warships are duplicate entries. The intro years and the sources of their own and their duplicate entries suggest that they are in fact the same ship/variant just referenced in a different book.
a. Essex (2443) http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4135/essex-destroyer-2443 -- duplicate of Essex Destroyer I entry. It cites TR2750 as its source, but this only has a reference to "an earlier version active in the 25th and 26th centuries," which seems to fit the description of the Essex I.
b. Commonwealth (std) http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3980/commonwealth-standard -- duplicate of Commonwealth (Block I) entry. The SO book as the same intro year as the Block I variant, and its only mentioned in SO fluff.
c. Defender (std) [SO reference] http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4058/defender-standard -- duplicate of Defender (standard) entry [FR: 2765 FS reference]. The SO book as the same intro year as the other "standard" variant, and its only mentioned in SO fluff.
d. Riga (Carrier-Destroyer) http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4921/riga-destroyercarrier-standard -- duplicate of Riga II entry. York CV-DD fluff in TR3057 implies that the two are one and the same, including the same Intro date.
e. Newgrange Yardship (std) http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/4135/essex-destroyer-2443 -- duplicate of Newgrange III Yardship (standard) entry. The Newgrange fluff in TR3085-Supp suggests that the two are one and the same (citing the earlier Jihad SB)

That's all I got! At some point I'll move on to the Jihad and Dark Ages, but I have a LOT of catching up to do before then...

         

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« Reply #1346 on: 16 February 2021, 00:50:06 »
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Got a question here.  The Stalker STK-3H has the special ability of SRM1/1.  The Stalker STK-3F does not, yet it has the same number of SRM 6 racks and ammo (based on Record Sheets: Succession Wars).  I don't know the conversion rules, so why is this?  Thanks in advance!
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« Reply #1348 on: 17 February 2021, 01:46:19 »
Got a question here.  The Stalker STK-3H has the special ability of SRM1/1.  The Stalker STK-3F does not, yet it has the same number of SRM 6 racks and ammo (based on Record Sheets: Succession Wars).  I don't know the conversion rules, so why is this?  Thanks in advance!
Most likely the Stalker has so much heat generation it removes the special ability. Not 100% on this though.

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« Reply #1349 on: 17 February 2021, 12:00:19 »
Most likely the Stalker has so much heat generation it removes the special ability. Not 100% on this though.
Sounds reasonable.  That would explain a similar situation I found. The Centurion CN9-A has the AC special and the Orion ON1-K does not.
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