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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #180 on: 28 October 2023, 15:30:22 »
I'm still dialing in that Flower I owed you a couple of weeks ago... it's looking like a NL/45 will definitely fit if you're willing to trade the SCLs for ER PPCs (quad mounts) in all arcs.  They have the same damage and range with no to-hit penalty I can see...

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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #181 on: 28 October 2023, 15:45:52 »
SCLs use Capital range bands last I checked.

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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #182 on: 28 October 2023, 15:54:34 »
Ah, so it's a bit of a dial down on range... I'll keep tweaking...

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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #183 on: 28 October 2023, 16:03:39 »
Yeah a lot of the problem on a Warship as small as a Flower is just where do you get the mass for Naval Lasers to justify using them versus what you give up instead?

All NL-45s give is extreme range band that they will have trouble hitting at and only hit marginally harder than quad SCL-1s for a fair bit more mass and less capability in the AA role.

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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #184 on: 28 October 2023, 16:21:44 »
I still think their bit under powered for a warship's secondary weapons unless you're hunting dropships and doing orbital bombardments.
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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #185 on: 28 October 2023, 16:37:05 »
For a design where the margins are as thin as they are on the Flower you have to pick your poison and SCL-1s in bulk are pretty much the least worst solution for what I need the design to do.

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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #186 on: 28 October 2023, 16:43:58 »
Well, I finally finished my project.  Why not make art for the Arsenal Class Dropships? 50k ton frigging ball-shape of doom?  So despite me not wanting making it for something that may never be seen again, I went ahead made art anyways.   :wink:

This is a composite of multiple (mainly Clan) Dropships from TRO: 3057.



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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #187 on: 28 October 2023, 17:11:23 »
I'm only trying to squeeze in a single NL/45 so the Flower can properly call itself a WarShip... I'm pretty sure it'll fit...

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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #188 on: 28 October 2023, 17:11:53 »
There's a few things from the design threads I might borrow for other stories even if their origins differ a bit so who knows.

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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #189 on: 28 October 2023, 17:14:34 »
I started with a Sampan Mk VII, so it hasn't been too hard to tweak so far...

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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #190 on: 28 October 2023, 22:13:34 »
Sampan VII?  Interesting, I did the art years ago for Sampan II/III and the Landmark Class Destroyer (technically referred to as Sampan IV sometimes)
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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #191 on: 29 October 2023, 08:45:14 »
Ok, I think I've got it dialed in.  I cut the fuel back to 4,000 tons (over a burn-year), boosted the cargo to 3,248 (excluding 450 tons of consumables, just shy of a year of food), added a NL/45 to the nose, rounded the ER PPCs up to 9 quad mounts (for an even number of gunners; put the extra in whichever arc you want), kept the 4 quad mounts of SCL/1s, and put 2 AMS in every arc.  The air complement remains 2 Small Craft and 6 ASFs, but I added all the necessary support personnel (75 total for the "Squadron", with two extra officers and a Senior Enlisted Advisor).  Marine-wise, I assumed all 16 are BA, added all the support personnel for that plus one extra officer, and lumped the Medical Team in for 50 of them total (the Techs/AsTechs are essentially a non-BA Marine platoon).  All the extra ship weapons boosted the crew to 125 (25 of which are officers; it seems this is who is manning most of the bridge positions).  I also threw in an RTO for a Multi-Spectral Imager, and a "Field" Kitchen (along with 3 cooks).  The ship has "bay" racks for 106 short-term passengers (rescued personnel) and long-term quarters for all the "regular" passengers (250 with both embarked units).  It came out a bit over 14B C-Bills.  Any last adjustments before I start the copy-paste effort?

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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #192 on: 29 October 2023, 10:21:55 »
Sound like a dualible ship, but the boss AKA monbvol has say it's okay.
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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #193 on: 29 October 2023, 11:16:13 »
Actually since this is something Kolossus makes it is Cannonshop who has final say.

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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #194 on: 29 October 2023, 12:34:59 »
Rog, I'll wait for him to weigh in... :)

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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #195 on: 29 October 2023, 13:52:18 »
approved.
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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #196 on: 29 October 2023, 13:56:01 »
Is replacement or variant, Daryk, let me know. I will update the wiki profile for the Flower.
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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #197 on: 29 October 2023, 14:51:40 »
Woo!  I'll work on the copy-paste of the details shortly... I'm also trying to work out Kowloon's shuttles... there doesn't seem to be minimum size Jump Drive, so 1 LY will absolutely do.  The thing that's hanging me up is the minimum 50,000 ton size for Primitive Jump Ships.  I think a ferry can be smaller...

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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #198 on: 29 October 2023, 15:43:35 »
Ok, my take on the Flower:
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Flower
Tonnage 100,000.0
Thrust 24,000.0 4/6
Fuel   4,000.0 409 Burn Days
Pumps          80.0
SI (60)   6,000.0
KF Drive (Compact Core) 45,250.0 (4 Integrity)
Lithium-Fusion Battery   1,000.0
Sail      35.0 (3 Integrity)
Controls     250.0
Base Crew Quarters     483.0 65+4 Extra Crew
Double Heat Sinks     119.0 (264 Free, 766 Total)
Armor       120.0 168 LFC (30 Nose, 28 L/R F/A, 26 Aft, +6 all from SI)
NL/45       900.0 1 900 Nose
Barracuda Launchers     720.0 8 90 Dual mounts in 4 arcs
AMS      16.0 16 1 Dual mounts in all arcs
ER PPCs     252.0 36 7 9 Quad mounts
SCL/1s   2,400.0 16 150 Quad mounts in 4 arcs
AMS Ammo     160.0 160 1 10 per AMS
Mobile HPG            50.0 1 50 10 Extra RTOs
Communications Equipment       2.0 2 1 2 Extra RTOs
Hyperspectral Imager         7.5 1 7.5 1 Extra RTO
Large NCSS     500.0 1 500 12 Extra RTOs
Small Grav Deck      50.0 1 50
Small Craft Cubicles     400.0 2 200 5 racks each
ASF Cubicles     900.0 6 150 2 racks each
Docking Collars   2,000.0 2 1000
Doors       0.0 9 0 2 Small Craft, 6 ASF, 1 Cargo
AsTech Bays      10.0 2 5 30 racks each
BA Bays      32.0 4 8 6 racks each
MASH       3.5 3.5 1 1 Operating Theater
"Field Kitchen"       3.0 3 1 3 additional crew
Gunners     217.0 7 31 Long Term Quarters
RTOs     175.0 7 25 Long Term Quarters
Squadron Staff      21.0 7 3 Long Term Quarters
Bay Crew     154.0 7 22 Long Term Quarters
AsTechs     336.0 7 48 Long Term Quarters
BA AsTechs     140.0 7 20 Long Term Quarters
Armored Marines     112.0 7 16 Long Term Quarters
BA Techs      56.0 7 8 Long Term Quarters
Medical Team      35.0 7 5 Long Term Quarters
Cooks      21.0 7 3 Long Term Quarters
Officer/Chief Upgrades     135.0 3 45 10 tons vice 7 for Crew Quarters
Life Boats     357.0 7 51 7 PAX per Lifeboat
Missle Bays   4,800.0 8 600 20 Barracudas each
Consumables     450.0 1.25 360 Crew Days
Cargo   3,248.0 Usually more food, always equipment for harvesting water from asteroids

Final Cost 14,077,474,000 C-Bills

Crew and Passenger Breakdown:
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Officers (25): CO, XO, 5 Department Heads, 18 Division Officers and Assistant Division Officers
Crew (100): CMC, Ship's Secretary, Missile Division (9), Supply Division (6, includes the cooks), Gunnery Division (22), Combat Systems Division (9), Navigation Division (3), Signals Division (15 RTOs), Communications Division (10 RTOs), Deck Division (6), Engineering (18, includes Auxiliary, Machinery, and Electrical Divisions)
Marines (50): CO (BA Officer), XO, 15 BA Troopers, 5 Medical (1 Warrant (PA), and 4 Medics), 1 Warrant Tech, 3 Other Techs, 24 AsTechs
Squadron (75): CO, Paddles (Landing Signals Officer), Senior Enlisted Advisor, 10 Pilots (6 ASF, 4 SC), 6 Air Crew, 8 Techs, 48 AsTechs

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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #199 on: 29 October 2023, 19:46:54 »
I've translated excel sheet best I can to MegaMek so everyone can use it.

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Flower Class Corvette Block III
Mass: 100,000 tons
Use: Escort and Patrol
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Experimental)
Introduced: 3137
Mass: 100,000 Battle Value: 15,810
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-F
Cost: 8,175,420,132 C-bills
Dimensions      Length: 104      Width: 22      Height: 23
Fuel: 6,441.5 tons (64,415)
Safe Thrust: 4
Maximum Thrust: 6
Sail Integrity: 3
KF Drive Integrity: 4
Heat Sinks: 289 (578)
Structural Integrity: 60

Armor     
Nose: 30     
Fore Sides: 30/30     
Aft Sides: 30/30     
Aft: 30

Cargo
Bay 1: Small Craft (4) 2 Doors
Bay 2: Fighter (6) 3 Doors
Bay 3: Cargo (1728.5 tons) 1 Door
Dropship Capacity: 2
Grav Decks: 1 (100 m)
Escape Pods: 15 Life Boats: 15
Crew: 25 officers, 75 enlisted/non-rated, 28 gunners, 32 bay personnel, 50 marines

Ammunition: 720 rounds of Anti-Missile System [IS] ammunition (60 tons), 20 rounds of AR10 Barracuda ammunition (600 tons), 20 rounds of AR10 Peacemaker ammunition (1,000 tons), 80 rounds of Barracuda ammunition (2,400 tons)

Notes:  Equipped with 1 Mobile Hyperpulse Generators (Mobile HPG), 1 Naval Comm-Scanner Suite (Large), 1 Lithium-Fusion Battery, and 120 tons of ferro-carbide armor.
Weapons:

Capital Attack Values (Standard)

Arc (Heat) Heat SRV MRV LRV ERV Class

Nose (152 Heat)
2 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda), Barracuda Ammo (40 shots) 20 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) Capital Missile
4 ER PPC 60 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) 0(0) PPC
2 Anti-Missile System, Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (240 shots) 2 1(6) 0(0) 0(0) 0(0) AMS
1 Naval Laser 45 70 5(45) 5(45) 5(45) 5(45) Capital Laser

FRS/FLS (96 Heat)
4 Sub-Capital Laser /1 96 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) 0(0) Sub-Capital Laser

RBS/LBS (102 Heat)
4 ER PPC 60 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) 0(0) PPC
2 Anti-Missile System, Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (120 shots) 2 1(6) 0(0) 0(0) 0(0) AMS
2 Capital Missile Launcher (AR10 Launcher), AR10 Barracuda Ammo (10 shots), AR10 Peacemaker Ammo (10 shots) 40 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) AR10

ARS/ALS (96 Heat)
4 Sub-Capital Laser /1 96 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) 0(0) Sub-Capital Laser

Aft (82 Heat)
4 ER PPC 60 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) 0(0) PPC
2 Anti-Missile System, Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (240 shots) 2 1(6) 0(0) 0(0) 0(0) AMS
2 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda), Barracuda Ammo (40 shots) 20 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) Capital Missile
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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #200 on: 29 October 2023, 20:05:32 »
I don't know how MegaMek works, but that's pretty different than what I hand jammed in Excel...

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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #201 on: 29 October 2023, 22:06:56 »
I don't know how MegaMek works, but that's pretty different than what I hand jammed in Excel...
MegaMek Lab programmed with rules of the game. Canon record sheets can be produced with it.  The ship I displayed here, is original one monbvol made, with subtraction on fuel to make room for Naval Laser.   The crews for the fighters covered, their suppose to be wrapped up in the crew but I'm not sure.   

I've never seen fighter pilots themselves and break down individual roles each of crewmembers roles are on the spread sheet calculator used in canon record sheets. 
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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #202 on: 30 October 2023, 03:14:37 »
Tech Manual gives you the "bay racks" provided by each kind of bay.  At the moment, they don't include the AsTechs necessary to make up the Tech Teams you need to maintain those units, so I added them via Foot Infantry Bays, then provided proper crew quarters for them.  It's all there in the list.

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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #203 on: 30 October 2023, 07:27:21 »
Except you don't need both the foot infantry bays and quarters.  Just the quarters would be fine.

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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #204 on: 30 October 2023, 08:23:43 »
Soo.....I've added Daryk's ER PPC 36 instead of the 16 it originally had.   That' matches up full to Daryk's modification and it's 100k as specified.

I've translated excel sheet best I can to MegaMek so everyone can use it.

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Flower Class Corvette Block III
Mass: 100,000 tons
Use: Escort and Patrol
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Experimental)
Introduced: 3137
Mass: 100,000 Battle Value: 15,810
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-F
Cost: 8,175,420,132 C-bills
Dimensions      Length: 104      Width: 22      Height: 23
Fuel: 6,303.5 tons (63,035)
Safe Thrust: 4
Maximum Thrust: 6
Sail Integrity: 3
KF Drive Integrity: 4
Heat Sinks: 289 (578)
Structural Integrity: 60

Armor     
Nose: 30     
Fore Sides: 30/30     
Aft Sides: 30/30     
Aft: 30

Cargo
Bay 1: Small Craft (4) 2 Doors
Bay 2: Fighter (6) 3 Doors
Bay 3: Cargo (1728.5 tons) 1 Door
Dropship Capacity: 2
Grav Decks: 1 (100 m)
Escape Pods: 15 Life Boats: 15
Crew: 25 officers, 75 enlisted/non-rated, 28 gunners, 32 bay personnel, 50 marines

Ammunition: 720 rounds of Anti-Missile System [IS] ammunition (60 tons), 20 rounds of AR10 Barracuda ammunition (600 tons), 20 rounds of AR10 Peacemaker ammunition (1,000 tons), 80 rounds of Barracuda ammunition (2,400 tons)

Notes:  Equipped with 1 Mobile Hyperpulse Generators (Mobile HPG), 1 Naval Comm-Scanner Suite (Large), 1 Lithium-Fusion Battery, and 120 tons of ferro-carbide armor.
Weapons:

Capital Attack Values (Standard)

Arc (Heat) Heat SRV MRV LRV ERV Class

Nose (152 Heat)
2 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda), Barracuda Ammo (40 shots) 20 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) Capital Missile
9 ER PPC 60 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) 0(0) PPC
2 Anti-Missile System, Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (240 shots) 2 1(6) 0(0) 0(0) 0(0) AMS
1 Naval Laser 45 70 5(45) 5(45) 5(45) 5(45) Capital Laser

FRS/FLS (96 Heat)
4 Sub-Capital Laser /1 96 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) 0(0) Sub-Capital Laser

RBS/LBS (102 Heat)
9 ER PPC 60 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) 0(0) PPC
2 Anti-Missile System, Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (120 shots) 2 1(6) 0(0) 0(0) 0(0) AMS
2 Capital Missile Launcher (AR10 Launcher), AR10 Barracuda Ammo (10 shots), AR10 Peacemaker Ammo (10 shots) 40 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) AR10

ARS/ALS (96 Heat)
4 Sub-Capital Laser /1 96 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) 0(0) Sub-Capital Laser

Aft (82 Heat)
9 ER PPC 60 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) 0(0) PPC
2 Anti-Missile System, Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (240 shots) 2 1(6) 0(0) 0(0) 0(0) AMS
2 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda), Barracuda Ammo (40 shots) 20 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) Capital Missile

I do think the length of the ship way too short, but that's fluff issue.  Its almost a Sampan IV without being one.
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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #205 on: 30 October 2023, 16:55:21 »
Except you don't need both the foot infantry bays and quarters.  Just the quarters would be fine.
True, but I figured the ship should have some capacity for "unexpected" passengers, and Infantry Bays are only 5 tons a piece for 30 racks... :)

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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #206 on: 30 October 2023, 17:16:27 »
Use the racks as a brig but as passage for VIP personnel?

Quarters I can see...

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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #207 on: 30 October 2023, 17:50:08 »
I was thinking more rescued personnel than VIPs, but whatever floats your boat... ;)

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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #208 on: 30 October 2023, 18:46:26 »
I think steerage would make sense for rescue persons to go.
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Re: A New Weapon of War
« Reply #209 on: 30 October 2023, 19:03:29 »
Those are 5 tons per person... like I said, (Foot) Infantry Bays are 5 tons for 30... ;)