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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #210 on: 15 February 2023, 09:07:36 »
RG Vol 29

Dragoon Battle Armour Pg 11 says
"Swarm/Leg Attack/Mechanized/AP: Yes/Yes/Yes/No"

The record sheets from page 14 onwards all have the AP box ticked.

I believe that the boxes should be unticked.

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #211 on: 17 February 2023, 15:37:32 »
ilClan Recognition Guide Volume 32

PROBLEM: There are two copies of Drillson Heavy Hover Tank C. Both appear identical.

SOLUTION: Remove one of the two copies.
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #212 on: 19 February 2023, 12:25:40 »
RG32, Record Sheet for Viper VP-7, VP-8, and VP-9

Critical Hit locations specify Active Probe as Clan, Weapons & Equipment Inventory box does not.
Solution: Tack on a (C)

Pages 12-13
Not sure if this is an error, but it is a discrepancy. Armaments & Weapons and Ammo sections uses Binary Laser Cannon while all instances on Record Sheets use Binary Laser (Blazer) Cannon.
Solution: Add (Blazer) if required.

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #213 on: 22 February 2023, 17:45:59 »
ilClan Rec Guide Vol 32

PROBLEM: The MUL refers to a "Schrek AC Carrier" in addition to the "Schrek AC Carrier (Lothian)". The link is here:

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2822/schrek-ac-carrier

This record sheet was not included with the volume.

SOLUTION: add the record sheet back in any subsequent re-release.
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #214 on: 22 February 2023, 21:56:21 »
Vol 32

Problem: The record sheet for the Drillson (MML) lacks a role:

Solution: set role to Striker

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #215 on: 23 February 2023, 13:06:40 »
Volume 4, Updated
Page 10, Warhammer IIC

"Kalasa worked closely with the Exarch over the next week until Labov could resume command"
Issue: RG24 p. 11 states Labrov was out of action for "several weeks." Even after Labrov returned to command she "functioned more as an observer" until the final clash for the capital. Per Era Digest: Dark Age p. 6, this final battle took place "nearly a month" after the battle began.
Solution: Resolve the discrepancy in whichever source. I'm inclined lean towards "several weeks."
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #216 on: 13 March 2023, 14:56:53 »
ilClan Recognition Guide Volume 19 (original and updated)

Record Sheet, Rime Otter D

Problem: The Rime Otter D mounts a Narc Missile Beacon Laucher. The SRM-6 ammunition contained in the right arm is standard SRM-6 ammunition. While the Rime Otter D does not have to mount Narc-capable SRM ammunition, other 'Mechs with Narc launcher (for instance, the ARC-5S Archer from Volume 10) have customarily used Narc-capable ammunition.

Solution: Replace "Ammo (SRM 6)" with "Ammo (SRM 6 Narc-capable)"
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #217 on: 13 March 2023, 16:03:35 »
ilClan Recognition Guide, Volume 19 (original and updated)

Record Sheet for Iron Cheetah B:

Problem?: It is unclear if this is a problem. But a few observations led me to suspect an issue.

In the updated version of the pdfs, the Iron Cheetah B has a lower arm actuator on the left arm, but only has an upper arm actuator on the right arm.
In the original pdf version, the Iron Cheetah B has lower arm actuators on both arms.
In both versions, all other configurations of the Iron Cheetah lack arm actuators, and most are able to flip their arms. Additionally, as this is designed by Clan Smoke Jaguar, it feels strange to have the extra arm actuator.

I can not check the 1993 FASA Update at the moment to see if the actuator configurations were specified.

Solutions: 1) There is no problem, the Iron Cheetah B was supposed to have a lower arm actuator on the left arm.
2) There is a problem, we did not intend to change the lower arm actuator configurations from the original pdf.
3) There is a problem, neither were supposed to have any lower arm actuators.
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #218 on: 13 March 2023, 21:35:33 »
ilClan Recognition Guide Volume 21

Record Sheet for OSR-6R Ostroc:

Cosmetic Problem: In the right torso, the order of the weapons are (Cl) ER Large Laser, Streak SRM 4, and (Cl) ER Medium Laser.

Cosmetic Solution: Reorder the weapons in the right torso (Cl) ER Large Laser, (Cl) ER Medium Laser, Streak SRM 4.
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #219 on: 16 March 2023, 10:23:12 »
ilClan Recognition Guide Volume 24, updated (original is correct)

Record Sheet, AS8-S Atlas

Problem: The updated record sheet specifies the three CASE II systems are Clan-spec. However, the original (with IS-spec CASE II) was balanced. Therefore, making the 3 CASE II Clan-spec leaves the AS8-S 1.5 tons undermass.
I looked for something else added to utilize the extra 1.5 tons, but I could not find anything, and confirmed this by noting the BV (2.0) is unchanged at 2,789.

Solution: 1) revert to the original record sheet, making the CASE II systems IS-spec.
2) there is sufficient left over space to add 1.5 tons of equipment.
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #220 on: 16 March 2023, 10:51:26 »
ilClan Recognition Guide Volume 24

Record Sheet, Atlas C (updated and original):

Problem: As a mixed-tech BattleMech, weapon systems (4x IS Medium Lasers, 1x Cl Ultra AC/20, 1x Cl LRM-20, 1x Cl Streak SRM 6) should identify the tech base on the critical diagram.

Solution: Label the criticals with tech labels for Clan equipment "[Clan]"

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Problem: According to MUL, the Atlas C debuted in the Early Succession Wars (2830). Mixed technology base units are "Advanced" (TRO: 3145, p. 218) or "Experimental" (TRO:Prototypes, p. 208) until ~3082.
The record sheet from the original Rec Guide pdf has the Rules Level as "Experimental".
The record sheet from the updated Rec Guide pdf has the Rules Level as "Standard".

Solution for the original record sheet: Change the Rules Level of the Atlas C to "Advanced" if the Rules Level should be revised after the publication of TRO:3145. Otherwise, no change is required.

Solution for the updated record sheet: Even when using the revised Rules Levels from TRO:3145, units debuting before ~3082 should not be "Standard" rules. Therefore, change the Rules Level to either "Experimental" (TRO:Prototypes) or "Advanced" (TRO:3145).

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Cosmetic Problem: In both the original and updated record sheets, the ammunition criticals in the left torso are order

Ammo (LRM 20)
Ammo (Streak SRM 6)
Ammo (LRM 20)

Solution: While it has little impact on game play or the value of the unit, the ammunition criticals could be reordered

Ammo (LRM 20)
Ammo (LRM 20)
Ammo (Streak SRM 6)
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #221 on: 19 March 2023, 13:49:29 »
ilClan Recognition Guide Volume 31

p.7 HARRIER HEAVY HOVER TANK (RE-LASER)

PROBLEM: The weight of the 265 light engine is listed as 21 tons.

Solution: change to 16 tons

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #222 on: 10 May 2023, 10:15:23 »
ilClan Recognition Guide Volume 32

Problem: Blood Asp "I" configuration BV accuracy

p.14 lists BV as "2,252"  (entry)
p.48 lists BV as "2,242"  (record sheet)

manual verification concludes that the original entry is the correct value

Solution: on p.48, change BV to "2,252"


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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #223 on: 21 May 2023, 14:20:46 »
ilClan Recognition Guide Volume 32

Problem: Viper VP-1 Record Sheet (page 39) lists rules level as Standard but considering the introduction date of the blazers and of the 'Mech, it is incorrect.

Solution: Change tech level to Experimental to reflect the status of the mech as a whole in the Succession Wars era.

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #224 on: 05 July 2023, 18:01:33 »
Recognition Guide, Vol 25, Chameleon
CLN-8V Entry say its Cruising and Maximum Speed are 75kph and 118kph respectively.
The movement is 6/9, not 7/11 for that variant .
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #225 on: 26 December 2023, 04:42:13 »
Recognition Guide, Vol 33

Page 18, the Harasser (LFE) is described as a 'Missile Platform'.  It has no missiles.  While variants do normally inherit the description of the original, there is a Haraser Laser Platform in the 3039 upgrade Record Sheet

Change the Type to Harasser Laser Platform (LFE)

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #226 on: 30 December 2023, 00:00:36 »
Vol 33 initial release

pg 23: change Scorpion Tank (MRM) rules level from Advanced to Standard
pg 24: change Scorpion Tank (RAC) rules level from Advanced to Standard
pg 35: change Partisan Heavy Tank (ELRM) role from Sniper to Missile Boat

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #227 on: 30 December 2023, 09:54:36 »
RG2, Sojourner D RS, p. 29, the 2 MPL are meant to be in the LT, not the LA.
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #228 on: 04 January 2024, 11:17:17 »
Rg33 adjust Blood Reaper 3’s BV to 2837

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #229 on: 20 January 2024, 11:14:35 »
I am not 100& sure if it is an error:

RecGuide #33, page 6
"in the Periphery, Rim Motors and manufacturers on Erod’s Escape resolved chronic resource shortages by dipping into ancient stockpiles of primitive rifled weapons."

Rim Motors is in Otisberg, in the Timbuktu Collective. So, either Rim Motors opened a factory in Erod’s Escape (Calderon Protectorade), or the planet mentioned should be "Otisberg", or the company mentioned should be "Protectorate Military Industries".
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #230 on: 20 January 2024, 11:23:19 »
That means that Rim Motors dipped into ancient stockpiles, and manufacturers on Erod's Escape did the same. It's not saying the Rim Motors is on Erod's Escape.

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #231 on: 20 January 2024, 11:35:42 »
That means that Rim Motors dipped into ancient stockpiles, and manufacturers on Erod's Escape did the same. It's not saying the Rim Motors is on Erod's Escape.

Sorry, you mean both Rim Motors and PMI (or other manufacturer) are making the Rifle Scorpions? If yes, then i can only blame my still crappy grasp of the English language.
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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #232 on: 21 January 2024, 20:13:30 »
Sorry, you mean both Rim Motors and PMI (or other manufacturer) are making the Rifle Scorpions? If yes, then i can only blame my still crappy grasp of the English language.
I had to take a double take myself (and English is my first language, so don't worry), but yes, that's how I interpreted it: produced by both Rim Motors (Otisberg) and PMI (Erod's Escape).
 

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #233 on: 14 February 2024, 22:05:56 »
RG 32

Record Sheet Drillson C pg26/27

Problem Duplicate Sheet in the guide

Solution Remove additional sheet

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #234 on: 06 March 2024, 19:37:44 »
RG33, GAL-106 Galleon Light Tank, p. 7, the Mass for 56 points of Hardened armor should be 7, not 7.5.

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #235 on: 07 April 2024, 09:59:35 »
RG33, Scorpion Light Tank (Ultra) record sheet p. 20.
Error: Machine gun location is marked as TU, but the actual unit entry and art (as this is a WYSIWYG upgrade) indicate it is front-mounted.
Correction: Change the machine gun location to FR on the record sheet.

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Re: Recognition Guide: IlClan (all volumes)
« Reply #236 on: 19 May 2024, 00:47:17 »
Recognition Guide 30

Page 14: Record sheet for Stormbird BA has AP box checked.  Per page 11 it does not mount an AP weapon and should not have this ability.
Page 15: Record sheet for Stormbird (Jade Falcon) BA has AP box checked.  Per Page 11 it does not mount an AP weapon and should not have this ability.
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