Arrow IV flight times (Alpha Strike House Rule)

[DarkJaguar]

So the house errata we came up wit hto deal with this is

Replace Third Paragraph AS Pg. 76 'Air-Defense Arrow IV'
"In place of artillery attack rules, air-defense Arrow’s are resolved as standard ground-to-air weapon attacks (see Ground to Air Combat, p. 60). For targets in the Central Zone that are engaged in air-to-ground actions, treat the air- defense Arrow as if it is attacking at Short range. If the target is in the Central Zone, but is not attempting to land or engaging in air-to-ground combat, the air-defense attack is made at Medium range. If the target is in the Inner Ring, the attack is made using the Long range bracket. An additional –2 to- hit modifier is then applied to represent the improved homing capabilities of the
Arrow missiles."
with
"In place of artillery attack rules, air-defense Arrow’s are resolved as standard ground-to-air weapon attacks (see Ground to Air Combat, p. 60).  For targets in the same Zone that are attempting to land or engaged in air-to-ground or air-to-air actions, treat the air- defense Arrow as if it is attacking at Short range. If the target is in the same Zone, but is not attempting to land or engaging in air-to-ground or air-to-air combat, the air-defense attack is made at Medium range. If the target is in and adjacent zone, the attack is made using the Long range bracket. An additional –2 to- hit modifier is then applied to represent the improved homing capabilities of the Arrow missiles."

[Xochi]

I could really use a clarification as well on whether ADA requires it to be a ground unit, or its just treated as ground to air.

Since a Vtol can attack an Aero in the central zone, but is airborne yet their is no rule set on that so you treat is as ground to air.

[Weirdo]

Ground-to-air = requiring the shooter to be a ground unit. Right there in the name.

VTOLs are ground units in every sense except for being vulnerable to AA and not actually touching the ground all that often. Very simple.

[Xochi]

There is nothing in the rule book at states what constitutes a ground to air attack. Just that it has to be on the map. There is a huge difference between treated as and is required to be. You treat all direct fire artillery as short range, but you don't use range brackets. Its clearly stated. Aero can make an artillery attack. The rule states that you replace standard artillery rules with "treated as xxxx." This doesn't not require you to be a ground unit. There is no specific rule that actually states it requires a ground unit. Just that you have an arrow IV launcher and are in the central zone or inner ring.

I am not saying it should be this way. I am saying the verbiage isn't clearly written and does allow it to be fired from any unit in the inner ring and central zone.

[Weirdo]

There is nothing in the rule book at states what constitutes a ground to air attack.

No definition is needed. It's in the name. Not everything needs to be explicitly spelled out beyond that.

[Tai Dai Cultist]

There is nothing in the rule book at states what constitutes a ground to air attack. Just that it has to be on the map.

Anything on the battlefield is by definition a ground unit (to include VTOLs, as Wierdo mentioned).  Anything in the central zone (or anywhere else on the radar map) is an aerospace unit.  It's binary: every unit in your game has got to be exactly one and only one.  And an attack from a ground unit is a ground (unit) attack.  QED.

Now for funsies:  A unit can transition from being a ground unit to an aerospace unit and back... (LAMs hitting fighter mode and blasting off, ASFs landing somewhere on the battle zone, etc).  Now if you want to rules lawyer, consider landing your ASF so it becomes a ground unit, THEN it may make ADA attacks...