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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #330 on: 02 January 2020, 15:43:48 »
If only that were true of asbestos...
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #331 on: 02 January 2020, 15:45:10 »
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #332 on: 02 January 2020, 16:06:15 »
That doesn't sound very safe ... where do I sign up?
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #333 on: 03 January 2020, 05:12:01 »
Did they try selling the Hinds to a quasi allied user state? And by selling I mean "donating for parts and disposal". Corroded rockets included.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #334 on: 04 January 2020, 05:59:43 »
Quote from: Ursus Maior on 03 January 2020, 05:12:01
Did they try selling the Hinds to a quasi allied user state? And by selling I mean "donating for parts and disposal". Corroded rockets included.


I doubt Australia's legal system would allow that
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #335 on: 04 January 2020, 07:48:44 »
The article pretty much said exactly that...
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #336 on: 04 January 2020, 09:57:11 »
I do like the Martin-Baker MB.5


Someone mentioned F-22 vs F-35 a while ago. F-22 wins. I've helped build both, and the F-22 is a beast with better maneuverability than the F-16.

And these unit costs are WAAAAYYYYY high...
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #337 on: 04 January 2020, 10:03:54 »
Interesting infographic, but JSF talk tends to get these threads locked...

Sweet MB.5!  :thumbsup:
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #338 on: 04 January 2020, 10:40:49 »
That's probably "the cost of fuel, training for the entire crews/groundcrews, a whole bunch of munitions, enough spare parts to build two more planes, and so on with development prices amortized in and adjusted heavily for modern dollars to get the biggest number we could."  The way lifecycles are, we've got birds twice the age of their pilots now.  I mean, look at that billion-plus order from the Bulgarians for a handful of modern Vipers; they factored everything into that sale and it's insanely expensive.  But they've probably got 40 years of use out of those aircraft...
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #339 on: 04 January 2020, 11:01:29 »
wait the Raptor has a RCS LESS THAN A FREAKING HUMMING BIRD?!
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #340 on: 04 January 2020, 11:04:12 »
Exactly right angle and radar frequencies, quite possibly. I wouldn't trust numbers like those all that far...
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #341 on: 04 January 2020, 11:51:40 »
Yeah, that writeup looks like one of the "facts about jets" things that I got in magazines when I was a kid.  Probably technically true but only under the most optimized conditions.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #342 on: 04 January 2020, 13:29:16 »


Meet the Rocheville Arctic Tern: 1930s amphibian designed for photographic surveys of Alaska
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #343 on: 04 January 2020, 15:16:03 »
Quote from: Daryk on 04 January 2020, 10:03:54
Interesting infographic, but JSF talk tends to get these threads locked...

Sweet MB.5!  :thumbsup:

THAT only happens when I get involved, and I'm not getting involved this time.  The numbers speak for themselves.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #344 on: 04 January 2020, 15:27:27 »
It happened a few times while you were, ah, out.  So it's not just you...
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #345 on: 04 January 2020, 16:06:04 »
Quote from: Daryk on 04 January 2020, 15:27:27
It happened a few times while you were, ah, out.  So it's not just you...

ah, but I tend to be more the instigator of it than most, which is why I'm carefully staying the bleep out it this time.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #346 on: 04 January 2020, 16:18:47 »
That looks a little big for a P-38... what is it exactly?  ???
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #347 on: 04 January 2020, 16:57:56 »
a Northrop P-61 Black Widow maybe?
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #348 on: 04 January 2020, 16:59:55 »
The nose is big enough for that, but it still seems a little off... I'm not sure...
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #349 on: 04 January 2020, 17:26:27 »
A Hughes XF-11 or derivative. I believe that the guy in a dark suit is HH himself.



Edit. I found the picture. It is the Hughes D-2. And HH is the guy in the dark suit.
« Last Edit: 04 January 2020, 17:29:21 by God and Davion »
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #350 on: 04 January 2020, 17:34:29 »
Hmm... never heard of one before...
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #351 on: 04 January 2020, 20:12:47 »
Quote from: marauder648 on 04 January 2020, 13:29:16


Meet the Rocheville Arctic Tern: 1930s amphibian designed for photographic surveys of Alaska
Are those small passenger area above the pontoons? 
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #352 on: 04 January 2020, 20:30:16 »
Hmmm... they DO appear to have windows...
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #353 on: 04 January 2020, 22:51:47 »
That Martin Baker MB.5 looks like someone left a late model Spitfire and a P-51 alone in a hanger overnight.  It's a nice looking plane.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #354 on: 05 January 2020, 04:46:17 »
Quote from: marauder648 on 04 January 2020, 13:29:16


Meet the Rocheville Arctic Tern: 1930s amphibian designed for photographic surveys of Alaska

It looks like a P-26 Peashooter Fighter, and 2 of the Grumman Ducks bolted together. What a odd looking but workable plane.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #355 on: 05 January 2020, 06:32:27 »
Quote from: hoosierhick on 04 January 2020, 22:51:47
That Martin Baker MB.5 looks like someone left a late model Spitfire and a P-51 alone in a hanger overnight.  It's a nice looking plane.
True that!  ;D
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #356 on: 05 January 2020, 08:50:09 »
Quote from: hoosierhick on 04 January 2020, 22:51:47
That Martin Baker MB.5 looks like someone left a late model Spitfire and a P-51 alone in a hanger overnight.  It's a nice looking plane.

Given she's british by birth, we know which one was the father...
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #357 on: 05 January 2020, 13:59:29 »
The Mustang was for a British contract/to a British spec and came into its own when equipped with a British engine, so at best, the P-51 is halfsies.

Although, imagine if NAA hadn't proposed the Mustang and everyone had gone on merrily using P-40*s to the end of the war.  :P

I didn't actually realize that there were some Merlin-engined versions of the P-40 in use
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #358 on: 05 January 2020, 16:45:56 »
Quote from: Daryk on 04 January 2020, 20:30:16
Hmmm... they DO appear to have windows...

After a bit of Googling, it looks as if it had a crew of three - each of whom had their own area - the pilot in the (presumably frozen) open cockpit, and the other two (presumably the survey specialists) positioned one to each pontoon - not only with a side window, but each with their own forward glass, too!

According to the reference below, the single example was OK in flight tests, but suffered a fuel starvation crash and was destroyed.

https://elpoderdelasgalaxias.wordpress.com/2018/05/17/rocheville-emsco-arctic-tern-aeroplanum-inexploratus/
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #359 on: 05 January 2020, 16:50:12 »
It really makes you wonder when they finally settled on fully closed cockpits...
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