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New mech types? Fan discussion
« on: 30 March 2024, 21:54:31 »
I've been a big fan for many years so I had wondered if there was a plan to make super heavy mechs super heavy assault mechs or super light mechs etc? Quad mechs? ( Doomchaser)
I like the idea where the inner sphere tries out more unique squads due to constraints on production speed. Also from a game play standpoint these mechs don't need to be very overpowered. (Please don't mention the Amaris emperor mech.) I more was wondering due to an idea that they have better tech in the 3150s than the 2800s.
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Re: New mech types? Fan discussion
« Reply #1 on: 30 March 2024, 22:09:22 »
Minis of the Ares Super Heavy Mech (Possibly usable as the Poseidon as well depending on how the multiconfiguration gimmick it is getting works), the Ion Sparrow Ultra Light Mech, and a number of different quad mechs where on the list of planned future releases that was revealed at Kerenskykon two weeks ago.
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Re: New mech types? Fan discussion
« Reply #2 on: 30 March 2024, 23:17:09 »
Roadrunner or celerity is the ultralight, and I don't think it's up for release. Ion sparrow is just a light.

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Re: New mech types? Fan discussion
« Reply #3 on: 30 March 2024, 23:50:32 »
The Roadrunner has been out for years as a metal mini.  There's no such thing as a "super assault mech,"  the superheavy mech class refers to mechs that mass from 105-200 tons, not super-powered heavy mechs.  And since they barely function at the upper end of that category there's no point in creating anything bigger.  As was previously stated, quad mechs have been in the game nearly from the beginning.
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Re: New mech types? Fan discussion
« Reply #4 on: 31 March 2024, 00:38:00 »

There are quite a few recent quad mechs, super cool ones too

Getting them in plastic is a different thing (Doom Courser is upcoming one but nothing else so far beyond that)





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Re: New mech types? Fan discussion
« Reply #5 on: 31 March 2024, 01:36:44 »
There are quads in a couple of the upcoming Mercenaries KS ForcePacks:
- Scorpion - Inner Sphere Security Lance
- Goliath - Inner Sphere Assault Lance

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Re: New mech types? Fan discussion
« Reply #6 on: 31 March 2024, 11:01:02 »

Those two go without saying obviously, they are already on the boat IIRC

I meant other than two OGs the Doom Courser is the only one


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Re: New mech types? Fan discussion
« Reply #7 on: 31 March 2024, 11:02:23 »
cough - Thunder Fox - cough

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Re: New mech types? Fan discussion
« Reply #8 on: 31 March 2024, 14:56:02 »
by 2025 we'll have a fair shake of the quads out there in plastic (no there aren't very many)
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Re: New mech types? Fan discussion
« Reply #9 on: 31 March 2024, 15:01:15 »
by 2025 we'll have a fair shake of the quads out there in plastic (no there aren't very many)

We'll have four.  I can think of at least 16 quad mechs off the top of my head, plus the quad vees.
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« Reply #10 on: 31 March 2024, 15:04:36 »
There are 35-40

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Re: New mech types? Fan discussion
« Reply #11 on: 31 March 2024, 15:08:14 »
I've been a big fan for many years so I had wondered if there was a plan to make super heavy mechs super heavy assault mechs or super light mechs etc? Quad mechs? ( Doomchaser)
I like the idea where the inner sphere tries out more unique squads due to constraints on production speed. Also from a game play standpoint these mechs don't need to be very overpowered. (Please don't mention the Amaris emperor mech.) I more was wondering due to an idea that they have better tech in the 3150s than the 2800s.

I want to Punt on first down on this idea... but i can't. Give me a moment here...

Most of the worlds that holds a sizable human population are worlds that ride the Goldie Locks zone (Good enough air% and air pressure, close enough gravity, good enough to tolerable temperature, etc.) and most equipment (in the game) is designed for those near-earth like conditions...

but what if there was a Nitch where specific units were designed for environmental conditions barely outside Goldie Locks zones? Say low gravity? Low gravity (and higher gravity) tends to be punishing to some mechs (Solaris 7, for example, is very unforgiving for fast moving Lights, at a certain speed). An assault 'mech or Colossus-class Bipedal, Tripod or Quad would feel less imcumbering on a low G world, IF It wasn't pushing the envelope in the first place, yes? (or No(tm).

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Re: New mech types? Fan discussion
« Reply #12 on: 31 March 2024, 15:09:23 »
There are 35-40

Is that counting the two different iterations of Project Phoenix for the Scorpion and Goliath as separate from the Reseen versions or not?
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« Reply #13 on: 31 March 2024, 15:11:34 »
No

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Re: New mech types? Fan discussion
« Reply #14 on: 31 March 2024, 15:17:40 »
I was a bit over. Araña/Tolva are militamech / clan standard sides of the same coin. It also includes quadvees, which is a special class like LAMs

Antlion
Araña
Arion
Balius
Barghest
Bishamon
Blue Flame
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Celerity
Cyllaros
Doom Courser
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Goliath
Great Turtle
Harpagos
Jaguar
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Rhino
Sarath
Scorpion
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Stalking Spider
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Re: New mech types? Fan discussion
« Reply #15 on: 31 March 2024, 15:27:46 »
Is that counting the two different iterations of Project Phoenix for the Scorpion and Goliath as separate from the Reseen versions or not?
There are 26 quad mechs: Antlion, Arana, Balius, Barghest, Bishamon, Blue Flame, Doom Courser, Fire Scorpion, Goliath, Great Turtle, Jaguar, Rhino, Sarath, Scorpion, Sirocco, Snow Fox, Stalking Spider, Stalking Spider II, Tarantula, Thunder Fox, Thunder Stallion, Tolva, Trebaruna, Ursa, White Flame, and Xanathos.
Then there are 3 Quad drones: Celerity, Lich, and Revenant.
And 5 QuadVees: Arion, Boreas, Cyllaros, Harpagos, and Notos.
And finally the Scorpion LAM.
For a total of 35 quad mech designs.

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Re: New mech types? Fan discussion
« Reply #16 on: 31 March 2024, 19:17:05 »
QuadVees are an example of a "new" technology which, in game terms, is being evolved "on-screen" - as in, during the time in which Catalyst Game Labs has taken the lead on moving the timeline forward from the Dark Age Era into the IlClan Era.

While there was a throwaway mention of a "QuadVee" somewhere in a MW:DA/AoD product, the first actual rules, Record Sheets, and Unit Cards for these designs emerged in CGL publications. Indeed, the earliest prototypes were "tracked" QuadVees; only later (both in-universe and in game publication terms) did the Notos, the first "wheeled" QuadVee, emerge.

Going forward, I hope that more can be shown in terms of how much farther the QuadVee concept can evolve in terms of unit design; in how well Clan Hell's Horses succeed (or not) in terms of incorporating them into their combined arms doctrine; and, perhaps, in whether or not any of the other known Clans (to include the Scorpion Empire) might one day take a closer look at QuadVee technology for their own uses.

Although, since even the Horses deploy QuadVees two to a Point, it would seem best to compare them to tanks and other combat vehicles, rather than "standard" BattleMechs, in terms of where that place in the Horse touman might end up being.

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Actually, the Horses - as well as their estranged sibkin over in Clan Stone Lion - are noted as investigating other technologies also.

The Machina Domini system was originally designed and intended for use by the Word of Blake Shadow Divisions. However, the Horses have been slowly chopping away at producing a Clan variant, which made use of ProtoMech Enhanced Imaging rather than the Manei Domini's VDNI. No word yet on if or when they might field such a unit, however - or, for that matter, if they coin a term with fewer Blakist connotations for it by then.

Meanwhile, the Nova CEWS system deployed by Society Septs during the Wars of Reaving has been taken on board by the Stone Lions - but (at last reporting) only for testing on ground vehicles, and only for use against non-Clan opponents. Which, post-Reaving, would include the Horses themselves...

Indeed, now that Clan Sea Fox has gained access to Ares superheavy tripod technology as isorla from the Battle of Terra, I could readily imagine the Horses at least considering taking a look at how such units might (or might not) work in the Horse touman.

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Speaking of Clan Sea Fox: they (and, by extension, anyone they are open to selling their wares to) have designed units which make use of certain new technologies on board. Consider the hardened armour used on the Hammerhead, to give one example.

But what they and others have yet to do is to develop a "generational shift" in BattleTechnology, which weaves a broad range of advances into a new "standard" by which past eras' advancements can be measured. Or at least, no-one is known to have created such a thing just yet.

Might this happen at some point between 3152 and 3250?

We'll have to wait and find out...
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Re: New mech types? Fan discussion
« Reply #17 on: 31 March 2024, 19:32:44 »
i'm personally hoping we'll get Hover quadvees and VTOL quadvees, as those would offer the most battlefield utility as an alternate mode for a Mech. both would allow for very rapid mobility in their vehicle mode, with the VTOL having the added bonus of flight allowing it to reach places that a normal vehicle couldn't.

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« Reply #18 on: 31 March 2024, 20:05:44 »
There's also the Interface Cockpit system used by the Gestalt and Ryoken III.
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« Reply #19 on: 01 April 2024, 00:18:47 »
AirMechs! The AirMech mode from LAMs only no transformation; completely dedicated to its WiGE and hover capabilities.
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Re: New mech types? Fan discussion
« Reply #20 on: 01 April 2024, 03:24:52 »
I want to Punt on first down on this idea... but i can't. Give me a moment here...

Most of the worlds that holds a sizable human population are worlds that ride the Goldie Locks zone (Good enough air% and air pressure, close enough gravity, good enough to tolerable temperature, etc.) and most equipment (in the game) is designed for those near-earth like conditions...

but what if there was a Nitch where specific units were designed for environmental conditions barely outside Goldie Locks zones? Say low gravity? Low gravity (and higher gravity) tends to be punishing to some mechs (Solaris 7, for example, is very unforgiving for fast moving Lights, at a certain speed). An assault 'mech or Colossus-class Bipedal, Tripod or Quad would feel less imcumbering on a low G world, IF It wasn't pushing the envelope in the first place, yes? (or No(tm).

thoughts?
You just described a 'Mech. No, seriously, BattleMechs come with full environmental dealing whilst tanks do not for some reason, 'Mechs are actually better then submarines down to depths equal to what modern millitary attack submarines can dive. About the only environment that 'Mechs don't work well in is pitched fleet battles.

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Re: New mech types? Fan discussion
« Reply #21 on: 01 April 2024, 08:55:54 »
For the Quadvee tech I can see it being popular with the FedSuns and Lyrans since they both use RCT and LCT.  As for new units if Quadvees become popular outside of fiction I hope we see a Goliath or Scorpion Quadvee.

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« Reply #22 on: 01 April 2024, 09:18:15 »
Personally I'd like to see the six-legger neck to appear. Just around everything up given that it appeared in a video game associated with battletech/MechWarrior.
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« Reply #23 on: 01 April 2024, 10:40:25 »
In case anyone was wondering (or cares), here's a list of the current RP/IWM Metal Quads.  Granted, 2 on the List are Unseen, and the molds long since destroyed, but there's always "The Secondary Market".   :undecided:

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Antlion              LK-3D        (20-5165)
Arion                                     (BT-304)      QuadVee
Barghest          BGS-1T       (20-644)
Barghest          BGS-4T      (20-5037)
Bishamon         BSN-3K       (20-636)
Blue Flame       BLF-2          (20-229)
Fire Scorpion                       (20-655)
Goliath            GOL-1H        (20-846)       Unseen, OOP
Goliath            GOL-4S        (20-202)       Reseen
Goliath            GOL-2H       (20-316)       Reseen
Goliath            GOL-5D       (20-468)       Reseen
Goliath C                            (20-5196)
Great Turtle    GTR-1         (20-405)      
Jaguar                                (20-5154)      
Revenant     UBM-1A        (BT-290)        Technically Drones, rather than " 'Mechs"
Revenant     UBM-2R        (BT-347)        Technically Drones, rather than " 'Mechs"
Sarath        SRTH-10 Prime(20-5143)
Sarath          SRTH-10 A   (BT-409)
Sarath          SRTH-10 B   (BT-410)
Scorpion      SCP-1N        (20-859)           Unseen, OOP
Scorpion      SCP-12S        (20-216)         Reseen
Sirocco         SRC-3C        (20-647)
Snow Fox                          (20-651)
Stalking Spider                   (20-918)
Tarantula      ZPH-1A        (20-789)
Thunder Fox   TFT-A9    (20-5125)
Thunder Stallion              (20-656)
Trebaruna   TR-XB          (BT-406)
Trebaruna   TR-XB   (TREBLTDJP-16)      LE Jumping Variant Mini
White Flame    WHF-3B     (20-230)   
Xanthos Mech    Xnt-30     (20-482)
Xanthos Mech    Xnt-70    (20-5158)

Then, MF Germany made one several years back, though it's NOT Canon.  The Surtur mini came in both a one-piece leg and multi-piece leg versions.  Seems like they remade it several years back, I got mine before 2010, so they're the "older" sculpts.  Not sure what (if Any) the difference is though, in the newer sculpts.

I've Currently got 151 Quad minis.  :rolleyes:  That will go up a bit when the Mercs KS arrives!   :grin:  Eh, only by 2, but still!


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Re: New mech types? Fan discussion
« Reply #24 on: 01 April 2024, 11:20:22 »
You just described a 'Mech. No, seriously, BattleMechs come with full environmental dealing whilst tanks do not for some reason, 'Mechs are actually better then submarines down to depths equal to what modern millitary attack submarines can dive. About the only environment that 'Mechs don't work well in is pitched fleet battles.

a typical conceit for giant robot settings, to be honest. whatever applied phlebotinum is in use that makes giant piloted robots possible usually doesn't get applied to conventional vehicles at all or to the same extent. since in a realistic setting where the various technologies are applied more uniformly, tracked/wheeled Tanks would usually end up more combat effective than legged vehicles

battletech does a better job than most in disguising the conceit though.

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Re: New mech types? Fan discussion
« Reply #25 on: 01 April 2024, 14:08:47 »
For the Quadvee tech I can see it being popular with the FedSuns and Lyrans since they both use RCT and LCT.  As for new units if Quadvees become popular outside of fiction I hope we see a Goliath or Scorpion Quadvee.

Agreed on QuadVees, those things got potential, I especially like Notos

I don't think we will be getting QuadVee versions of Scorpion and Goliath,  those two are way too bulky plus RecGuides already hinted that they are due for Omni treatment





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Re: New mech types? Fan discussion
« Reply #26 on: 01 April 2024, 15:19:53 »
For the Quadvee tech I can see it being popular with the FedSuns and Lyrans since they both use RCT and LCT.  As for new units if Quadvees become popular outside of fiction I hope we see a Goliath or Scorpion Quadvee.

honestly, I doubt it, the main value of tanks over mechs is cost. quadvees kinda eliminiate that.
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Re: New mech types? Fan discussion
« Reply #27 on: 01 April 2024, 17:46:51 »
More QuadVees with different motive types, hover, screw, VTOL, submarine/boat would be cool.

Piloted AutoMechs, of all types, as an improvement/biped alternative to QuadVees. 

Tripod Vehicle Mechs of all types above.

More LAM Types (Clan, Quads, Tripods, Industrial, Bimodal, heavier than 55 tons, OMNI, Battle Armor) with a variety of motive options for different engine types and fewer than 3 jump jets.

Mechs with other engine types (Battery + Steam)

Pure AirMechs

Pure VeeMechs

Super Light Mechs: The IS's answer to Protos.

Mechs, of all types, having cockpits in multiple locations and Mechs with the old Dual Cockpits.

APC Mechs

Six-eight Legged Mechs.

Centaur Mechs.

Crablike Mechs (4+ legs, 2 arms, no torso twist)

RV Mechs (The fluff for the Marco gives it a 2 man cabin.)

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Re: New mech types? Fan discussion
« Reply #28 on: 01 April 2024, 19:11:46 »
A super heavy mech that makes sense, aka 4 or 6 legged mech not the crazy tripod design.
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Re: New mech types? Fan discussion
« Reply #29 on: 01 April 2024, 22:54:57 »
Even if we get a Goliath IIC mech I would like to see an Assault Quadvee.  If there is one please disregard the post.

 

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