Author Topic: Shadow Hawk 3H (Read 5988 times)

blackjack · « **on:** 30 March 2019, 21:32:16 »

Where do I find the mech sheet for this mech? Very curious about its load out........

Liam's Ghost · « **Reply #1 on:** 30 March 2019, 21:42:58 »

I'm not sure a record sheet exists.

Sartris · « **Reply #2 on:** 30 March 2019, 22:21:10 »

it doesn't even have a bv or cost on the mul. anyone remember where it was referenced? it's not in any of the old record sheet books to my knowledge.

Charistoph · « **Reply #3 on:** 30 March 2019, 22:31:12 »

Sarna didn't have a reference for it, unless it was under a different name version.

nckestrel · « **Reply #4 on:** 30 March 2019, 22:39:18 »

The only other (other than the MUL) canon mention of the 3H is in FM:SLDF.
But it's status is a bit muddied by XTRO Primitives I and we never sorted it out. I don't feel like posting the entire mess.
There were never any stats for it. It only ever existed as trying to fix the Shadow Hawk/Dragon competition mess.

blackjack · « **Reply #5 on:** 31 March 2019, 00:43:53 »

In the New Fronc Reaches PDF its #7 for the pirates on the random assignment table. Was hoping that we might get a sheet.

blackjack · « **Reply #6 on:** 31 March 2019, 00:47:24 »

Quote from: Charistoph on 30 March 2019, 22:31:12

Sarna didn't have a reference for it, unless it was under a different name version.

Yes it was the first place I looked. Its in all era's on the MUL & is listed in the Fronc Reaches pdf in the random assignment list. One could hope

Luciora · « **Reply #7 on:** 31 March 2019, 02:21:51 »

Hope its not unresolved for as long as the Liberator was.

Quote from: blackjack on 31 March 2019, 00:43:53

In the New Fronc Reaches PDF its #7 for the pirates on the random assignment table. Was hoping that we might get a sheet.

nckestrel · « **Reply #8 on:** 31 March 2019, 04:09:06 »

Its a typo.

skiltao · « **Reply #9 on:** 31 March 2019, 10:30:24 »

Stepping outside of canon for a moment, the old TCI variant which replaced the SRM with a MG, that was designated -3H, wasn't it?

Hellraiser · « **Reply #10 on:** 03 April 2019, 01:14:27 »

Yes, I think that it was.

I forget where the extra tonnage went.

Kit deSummersville · « **Reply #11 on:** 03 April 2019, 07:45:07 »

Quote from: Luciora on 31 March 2019, 02:21:51

Hope its not unresolved for as long as the Liberator was.

You're welcome for that. :P

TigerShark · « **Reply #12 on:** 03 April 2019, 10:00:10 »

Quote from: Hellraiser on 03 April 2019, 01:14:27

Yes, I think that it was.

I forget where the extra tonnage went.

My guess would be either (a) an Ultra AC/5 or (b) an ER-PPC. The first makes sense just as a ballistic upgrade. The second because of the introduction year (2752), which is only a year after ER-PPC production.

nckestrel · « **Reply #13 on:** 03 April 2019, 10:11:47 »

Quote from: TigerShark on 03 April 2019, 10:00:10

My guess would be either (a) an Ultra AC/5 or (b) an ER-PPC. The first makes sense just as a ballistic upgrade. The second because of the introduction year (2752), which is only a year after ER-PPC production.

The old TCI SHD-3H they are referring to predates TR2750. It did not have any SL technology. It's not the SHD-3H the MUL team created and listed on the MUL site. Which may or may not exist now and never had any stats/equipment at all.

Luciora · « **Reply #14 on:** 03 April 2019, 10:27:41 »

Histories mysteries!

Quote from: Kit deSummersville on 03 April 2019, 07:45:07

You're welcome for that. :P

Sartris · « **Reply #15 on:** 03 April 2019, 10:36:55 »

Quote from: nckestrel on 03 April 2019, 10:11:47

The old TCI SHD-3H they are referring to predates TR2750. It did not have any SL technology. It's not the SHD-3H the MUL team created and listed on the MUL site. Which may or may not exist now and never had any stats/equipment at all.

A mech with no guns could be boondoggles v2 all by itself

Kit deSummersville · « **Reply #16 on:** 03 April 2019, 11:25:39 »

Quote from: Sartris on 03 April 2019, 10:36:55

A mech with no guns could be boondoggles v2 all by itself

You rang?

Sartris · « **Reply #17 on:** 03 April 2019, 11:30:02 »

I can't even out-absurd canon. This is humiliating.

Luciora · « **Reply #18 on:** 03 April 2019, 11:45:59 »

There's an Ostscout and Cephalus that want to talk to you too.

Quote from: Kit deSummersville on 03 April 2019, 11:25:39

You rang?

Colt Ward · « **Reply #19 on:** 03 April 2019, 12:06:41 »

Oh that Ceph is awesome tied into one of the right Osteons . . . and can be done under 5k!

For the -3H, was someone proposing something like the -5M?

TigerShark · « **Reply #20 on:** 03 April 2019, 12:07:15 »

Quote from: nckestrel on 03 April 2019, 10:11:47

The old TCI SHD-3H they are referring to predates TR2750. It did not have any SL technology. It's not the SHD-3H the MUL team created and listed on the MUL site. Which may or may not exist now and never had any stats/equipment at all.

I just saw the back of the box in a photo. Looks like you're dead on.

It just replaces the SRM-2 with a MG and 200 rounds of ammo. Not sure where the other 0.5 tons goes, but that could easily be solved with armor.

Courtesy of JalPhoenix:

Sartris · « **Reply #21 on:** 03 April 2019, 12:50:45 »

Quote from: Luciora on 03 April 2019, 11:45:59

There's an Ostscout and Cephalus that want to talk to you too.

The Ostscout has TAG at least

The Kuma's just like
I don't need weapons. I can jump!

Empyrus · « **Reply #22 on:** 03 April 2019, 15:49:17 »

Quote from: nckestrel on 30 March 2019, 22:39:18

The only other (other than the MUL) canon mention of the 3H is in FM:SLDF.
But it's status is a bit muddied by XTRO Primitives I and we never sorted it out. I don't feel like posting the entire mess.
There were never any stats for it. It only ever existed as trying to fix the Shadow Hawk/Dragon competition mess.

Seems to me that retconning the Dragon's intro date would've solved that neatly. But i suppose that would've opened its own can of worms.

blackjack · « **Reply #23 on:** 04 May 2019, 15:17:49 »

Quote from: TigerShark on 03 April 2019, 12:07:15

I just saw the back of the box in a photo. Looks like you're dead on.

It just replaces the SRM-2 with a MG and 200 rounds of ammo. Not sure where the other 0.5 tons goes, but that could easily be solved with armor.

Courtesy of JalPhoenix:

Can always use a 1/2 ton cargo pod. . No impact!!! Please make this beast cannon!!!

Hellraiser · « **Reply #24 on:** 05 May 2019, 00:40:11 »

It has FASA in the writing at the bottom.

That seems pretty cannon.

Given the MG ammo isn't where the SRM ammo was (CT) the best solution might be to add another JJ to the CT for 4 MP.

Mostly useless but it would make sense for the ammo to be moved.

At least I think the SRM ammo was in the CT on the original 2H.......

(Better yet, drop the ammo to 100 & add 2 JJ's to make this thing keep up with the rest of the 55 ton 5-jumpers)

Daryk · « **Reply #25 on:** 05 May 2019, 10:25:40 »

+1 to Hellraiser's idea of adding two JJs! :thumbsup:

The_Caveman · « **Reply #26 on:** 05 May 2019, 11:01:14 »

Quote from: Daryk on 05 May 2019, 10:25:40

+1 to Hellraiser's idea of adding two JJs! :thumbsup:

glitterboy2098 · « **Reply #27 on:** 05 May 2019, 16:33:55 »

that must have been back in the day before half ton MG ammo bins. and i'd really question the engineer's competence that came up with that mod, because you are sacrificing a useful missile rack for a gun that has 1/3rd the range, half the damage, and has a torso bomb for an ammo supply.

Easy · « **Reply #28 on:** 05 May 2019, 17:04:11 »

- .5 tons : 1/2 ton of MG ammo
+ 1 ton : Medium Laser

1 AC/5
1 LRM-5
2 ML
1 MG

AC/5 Ammo (20)
LRM-5 Ammo (24)
MG Ammo (100)

(It's liable to blow up, but it already was.)

The_Caveman · « **Reply #29 on:** 05 May 2019, 17:22:36 »

Quote from: glitterboy2098 on 05 May 2019, 16:33:55

that must have been back in the day before half ton MG ammo bins. and i'd really question the engineer's competence that came up with that mod, because you are sacrificing a useful missile rack for a gun that has 1/3rd the range, half the damage, and has a torso bomb for an ammo supply.

The one thing a SHD can't do well is squick PBI. The SRM can be loaded with frags or infernos, but with a single SRM-2 those are questionable options.