Design Challenge: Replace the Congress-D.

[FastConcentrate8]

It is the 28th Century and mankind looks like it isn't doing so hot. The Star League is stagnating, a new Arms Race is developing, open warfare is occurring between the Member States, and the Periphery are getting uppity again. Everyone is arming at an alarming rate especially now that the Council Edict of 2650 has been overturned and few branches of service are getting as much love as each House's Fleet.

This is especially true for the Federated Suns Navy who have recently been granted significantly greater operational and budgetary freedom now that the First Prince has separated their procurement and command from the Unified AFFS Command. As such, the FSN with their newly expanded budget are going on a spending spree and are particularly interested in making large scale changes to the Fleet Roster. One subject of their Ire being their main Medium Combatant, the Congress-D Class Frigate.

While more heavily armed than its Terran Sisters, the Congress-Ds still suffered from the same issues as them such as paper thin armor, limited carrying capacity, a small arsenal, and the main issue for the Navy that due to their licensing agreement to produce them, having to pay premiums to Terran Hegemony Shipyards for their continued maintenance. As such, the FSN is looking for a capability replacement.

The Admiralty is calling for a new Heavy Frigate or Light Cruiser design massing no more than 780,000 tones and no less than 720,000 tones. It must possess greater firepower and survivability than the Congress and carry at least a FedSuns Air Wing of ASFs but maintain a large cargo capacity for extended patrols or troop transport duties.

The only other stipulation is that any Naval Autocannons mounted on the design must be Class 30 systems. The Navy is looking to standardize the ammunition of the Primary Artillery Pieces of its ships and has settled on NAC-30s for its Block III Davion class Destroyers, new Corvettes, and new Battlecruisers with this new Medium Combatant expected to follow suit.

Good luck designers, these ships will be the new Swords of Avalon.

[Andras]

How many fighters is a FedSuns wing?


I have a prebuilt 780k at 3/5 with 32 NAC30s, 16 NL55, 64 ERPPC, 48 AMS, 24 fighters and 300 armor per facing. 6collars.

[FastConcentrate8]

How many fighters is a FedSuns wing?

20.

3 Six ship Squadrons and 1 Two ship Command Flight.

[Primus203]

DeKirk aerospace determined not to lose their contract has decided to put up a straight upgrade of their Congress D out.

DeKirk aerospace is proud to present the Congress G (for the love of God don't ask the E and F) Keeping the same good speed this 780,000 ton ship has an expanded airwing of 20 fighters. The redesigned armament will make this ship a feared foe on the fore and aft broadsides are 8 NL55 providing great all around capability. But the crown jewel is on the nose when the distances close the nose swings around revealing 10 NAC 30 with 60 rounds per gun a crushing armament. Other than that all faces mount 5 twin mount ER Large Lasers and 5 dual mount shell firing AMS with 50 tons of ammo per bay. Armor has been improved being about 10 percent greater without resorting to more advanced and expensive types than the Congress C. The new congress also mounts a large naval Comm-Scanner for those independent operations. The only place where this ship has less of other than costing more is a smaller cargo bay at only 140k tons from the C's 160k.

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Congress G Frigate Jumpship
Mass: 780,000 tons
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Introduced: 2720
Mass: 780,000
Battle Value: 159,485
Tech Rating/Availability: E/E-X-E-F
Cost: 15,471,611,000 C-bills

Fuel: 5,000 tons (12,500)
Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5
Sail Integrity: 5
KF Drive Integrity: 17
Heat Sinks: 3500 (7000)
Structural Integrity: 38

Armor
    Nose: 94
    Fore Sides: 81/81
    Aft Sides: 81/81
    Aft: 80

Cargo
    Bay 1:  Fighter (20)            5 Doors   
    Bay 2:  Small Craft (2)         1 Door   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (140009.5 tons)   1 Door   

Ammunition:
    24,000 rounds of Anti-Missile System [IS] ammunition (40 tons),
    600 rounds of NAC/30 ammunition (4 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 2
Grav Decks: 2 (90 m, 90 m)
Escape Pods: 0
Life Boats: 30
Crew:  47 officers, 166 enlisted/non-rated, 64 gunners, 50 bay personnel

Notes: Equipped with
    lithium-fusion battery system
    1 Naval Comm-Scanner Suite (Large)
592.5 tons of ferro-carbide armor.

Weapons:                                       Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                                 Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
Nose (1,130 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (120 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (120 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (120 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (120 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (120 shots)
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
FRS/FLS (810 Heat)
4 Naval Laser 55                           340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
4 Naval Laser 55                           340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
RBS/LBS (130 Heat)
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
ARS/ALS (810 Heat)
4 Naval Laser 55                           340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
4 Naval Laser 55                           340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
Aft (810 Heat)
4 Naval Laser 55                           340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
4 Naval Laser 55                           340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)

[Andras]

Pensacola-D

eta- I double checked the date of introduction on LFC warship armor and went with the good stuff. Armor is up to 324 per side.

I deleted the LFB for now, so cost is down to 12 billion cbills and cargo went up to 32kt. Also 24 fighters. 

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Class/Model/Name: Pensacola-D
Tech: Inner Sphere
Ship Cost: $12,047,676,004.00
Magazine Cost: $93,440,000.00
BV2: 143,109

Mass: 780,000
K-F Drive System: Compact
Power Plant: Maneuvering Drive
Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5
Armor Type: Lamellor Ferro-Carbide
Armament:
48 AMS (IS)
32 PPC
16 Naval Laser 45
32 Naval AC 30
16 Capital Launcher Barracuda

Equipment: Mass
Drive: 140,400.00
Thrust
Safe: 3
Maximum: 5
Controls: 1,950.00
K-F Hyperdrive: Compact (17 Integrity) 352,950.00
Jump Sail: (5 Integrity) 69.00
Structural Integrity: 120 93,600.00
Total Heat Sinks: 2424(4848) Double 1,850.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps: 18750 points 7,650
Fire Control Computers: 0.00
Armor: 1944 pts Lamellor Ferro-Carbide 1,872.00
Fore: 324
Fore-Left/Right: 324/324
Aft-Left/Right: 324/324
Aft: 324


Dropship Capacity: 5 5,000.00
Grav Decks:
Small: 2 100.00
Life Boats: 70 490.00

Crew And Passengers:
46 Officers in 1st Class Quarters 460.00
155 Crew in 2nd Class Quarters 1,085.00
70 Gunners and Others in 2nd Class Quarters 490.00
180 Bay Personnel 0.00
180 Steerage Passengers 900.00 (all bay pers have steerage quarters)

Weapons
# Weapons Loc Heat Damage Range Mass
12 AMS (IS) Nose 12 36 (3.6-C) PDS 6.00
12 AMS (IS) RBS 12 36 (3.6-C) PDS 6.00
12 AMS (IS) LBS 12 36 (3.6-C) PDS 6.00
12 AMS (IS) Aft 12 36 (3.6-C) PDS 6.00

8 PPC Nose 80 80 (8-C) Medium 56.00
8 PPC RBS 80 80 (8-C) Medium 56.00
8 PPC LBS 80 80 (8-C) Medium 56.00
8 PPC Aft 80 80 (8-C) Medium 56.00

4 Naval Laser 45 FR 280 180 (18-C) Extreme-C 3,600.00
4 Naval Laser 45 FL 280 180 (18-C) Extreme-C 3,600.00
4 Naval Laser 45 AR 280 180 (18-C) Extreme-C 3,600.00
4 Naval Laser 45 AL 280 180 (18-C) Extreme-C 3,600.00

8 Naval AC 30 FR 800 2400 (240-C) Long-C 28,000.00
8 Naval AC 30 FL 800 2400 (240-C) Long-C 28,000.00
8 Naval AC 30 AR 800 2400 (240-C) Long-C 28,000.00
8 Naval AC 30 AL 800 2400 (240-C) Long-C 28,000.00

4 Capital Launcher Barracuda FR 40 80 (8-C) Extreme-C 360.00
4 Capital Launcher Barracuda FL 40 80 (8-C) Extreme-C 360.00
4 Capital Launcher Barracuda AR 40 80 (8-C) Extreme-C 360.00
4 Capital Launcher Barracuda AL 40 80 (8-C) Extreme-C 360.00

Ammo Rounds Mass
AMS (IS) Ammo 9600 800.00
Naval AC 30 Ammo 1280 1,024.00
Capital Launcher Barracuda Ammo 160 4,800.00

Fighters: 24 (12 doors)
Small Craft:4 (2 doors)
Infantry: 4 platoons
Cargo-32kt 2 Doors
AMS in paired bays, PPC in two quad mounts per arc.

Cargo is less but I have 5 drop collars and 3x as much armor as the Congress. Is the type of armor correct for the time period? I usually use FerroCarbide and would have 300/facing.

DHS is enough for all weapons at same time.

note: see eta at top

[Hellraiser]

How many fighters is a FedSuns wing?

20.

3 Six ship Squadrons and 1 Two ship Command Flight.

I really hate FM FS for pushing that agenda

I feel the need to point out that not a single FS Naval Design carries 20 ASF.

Fox/Avalon only carry 12 (Fighters/Shuttles)
Davion-II & Conquistador wings are only 18 Fighters  (No Command Lance there)
Robinson is 24 Fighters  (4 Squadrons, Still No Command Lance)
New Syrtis has a whopping 120 + 4 Squadrons of Shuttles (24)  (Fighters can have loads of options, Shuttles have no Command unit)
Mjolnir from the LC have an even 36 because half the nation never mentions using a command flight.

The original fluff for FS Wings from the HDSB was the following.

Regimental Wings (attached to mech regiments) were "around 20"
Fleet Wings were "about the same as Regimental Wings"

I've long felt that the Regimental wings used "Around" in there to point out that the DS carrying a Mech Regiment varied and could give you anywhere from 18 (3 Overlords) to 54 (27 Leopards), and averaged out to something like an Overlord, 4 Unions, 3 Leopards (20ish), & the rest in cargo, but varied from Regiment to Regiment.

Fleet Wings on the Other hand were a Trio of Leo-CVs = 18, or in later years, the Fleet Wing is in the RCT Command Conquistador (18).

So don't feel shoehorned into having to be 20, the creators of the Davion-II & Conquistador certainly didn't.

Given the Leo-CV is the most common fighter mover in the IS, I'll really never get behind the idea that all wings are 20.  Makes no sense.
Let alone the issue of Regimental Wings when every unit has a different allotment of DS assigned to it.  Ugh.

[Primus203]

Hey Andras this is the poster above you. First the original Congress used ferro-carbide so that should be fine. But the barracudas are too new the designs would be using 2700's tech barracuda and all other subcap armaments are 3060 tech. I also think your cargo bay is smaller than they'd want but I'm not sure on that.

[Hellraiser]

and the main issue for the Navy that due to their licensing agreement to produce them, having to pay premiums to Terran Hegemony Shipyards for their continued maintenance.

The only other stipulation is that any Naval Autocannons mounted on the design must be Class 30 systems. 

1.  I don't think they actually had to pay any premiums.  They got access because of the court case about it being stolen from them to begin with.
They built & did maintenance at their own fleet yards.

2.  I love the caveat about Class-30.

Why?

Because I had an idea about a Congress that went full on all 30's in place of the mix of 10/30.
So instead of 8/8 (D/2750) or 4/12 (3057), just pack in 16/0.

Upgrade the KW/WS systems to AR10.

Keep the same IS & Armor type, just pay the extra couple hundred tons to max it out.

And then replace the 8*LL with several batteries of ERLL*7 & AMS*2+ in all arcs.

Boost the Fighter/Shuttle from 6/4 to 18/6 & dedicate a company of 84-Marines.

Walla, done.

Could it be cheesier w/ way more guns & minimal cargo.  Yeah,  But when I had that idea it was for a tweak not a full on uber cheese replacement.
As is it would still very much fit in with canon ships of the era.

[Hellraiser]

Hey Andras this is the poster above you. First the original Congress used ferro-carbide so that should be fine. But the barracudas are too new the designs would be using 2700's tech barracuda and all other subcap armaments are 3060 tech. I also think your cargo bay is smaller than they'd want but I'm not sure on that.

Barracuda are SLDF, he's fine with them, they are the smallest of Cap Missiles.  (KW, WS, BC)

What your thinking of is MantaRay/Piranha grades.

[FastConcentrate8]

1.  I don't think they actually had to pay any premiums.  They got access because of the court case about it being stolen from them to begin with.
They built & did maintenance at their own fleet yards.

They didn't in canon, that Caviat was mainly to provide an in universe reason why they're interested in an entirely new hull rather than just a Congress-D Block II. I find it to be entirely in character for the Terran Hegemony to settle the dispute in that way so decided why not.

Edit: Changed the first part to clarify phrasing. They did not have to pay a premium in canon.

[Primus203]

Whops hellraiser is right got em confused with piranha not enough sleep and both are fishy on the smaller size

[Andras]

I checked the date on the good stuff (LFC armor) and the good stuff is introduced in 2615 so I'm going with that. I'd rather have 324 points per facing and 5 collars for drop ships then have less armor and more internal cargo. If you get blown in half it doesn't matter how much internal cargo you have.

Also took out the LFB for now, cuts the cost in half and there's room in the cargo bay for it if you want it.

Also went to 24 fighters.

[Primus203]

I mean I agree with you Andras I wouldn't carry that much cargo myself but I liked my congress G so I made a modified version for myself taking 90k of that 140k cargo and boosting SI and armor.

Congress G3

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Congress G Frigate Warship
Mass: 780,000 tons
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Introduced: 2720
Mass: 780,000
Battle Value: 199,917
Tech Rating/Availability: E/E-X-E-F
Cost: 15,873,136,000 C-bills

Fuel: 5,000 tons (12,500)
Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5
Sail Integrity: 5
KF Drive Integrity: 17
Heat Sinks: 3500 (7000)
Structural Integrity: 150

Armor
    Nose: 500
    Fore Sides: 400/400
    Aft Sides: 400/400
    Aft: 330

Cargo
    Bay 1:  Fighter (20)            5 Doors   
    Bay 2:  Small Craft (2)         1 Door   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (50902.0 tons)    1 Door   

Ammunition:
    24,000 rounds of Anti-Missile System [IS] ammunition (2,000 tons),
    600 rounds of NAC/30 ammunition (480 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 2
Grav Decks: 2 (90 m, 90 m)
Escape Pods: 0
Life Boats: 30
Crew:  47 officers, 166 enlisted/non-rated, 64 gunners, 50 bay personnel

Notes: Equipped with
    lithium-fusion battery system
    1 Naval Comm-Scanner Suite (Large)
2,340 tons of lamellor ferro-carbide armor.

Weapons:                                       Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                                 Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
Nose (1,130 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (120 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (120 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (120 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (120 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (120 shots)
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
FRS/FLS (810 Heat)
4 Naval Laser 55                           340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
4 Naval Laser 55                           340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
RBS/LBS (130 Heat)
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
ARS/ALS (810 Heat)
4 Naval Laser 55                           340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
4 Naval Laser 55                           340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
Aft (810 Heat)
4 Naval Laser 55                           340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
4 Naval Laser 55                           340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)

Edit: Heh I didn't  notice that my design program automatically added a LF battery I was doing the math going there was no way Andras ship could be cheaper than mine the NAC-30 are several times more expensive than the NL55. So dropped the LF battery and I end up with something markedly superior for only slightly more.

Congress G no LF for FastConcentrate large cargo bay 140k costs less then the Congress C somehow.

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Congress G Frigate For Challenge
Mass: 780,000 tons
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Introduced: 2720
Mass: 780,000
Battle Value: 165,245
Tech Rating/Availability: E/E-X-E-F
Cost: 9,030,336,000 C-bills

Fuel: 5,000 tons (12,500)
Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5
Sail Integrity: 5
KF Drive Integrity: 17
Heat Sinks: 3500 (7000)
Structural Integrity: 48

Armor
    Nose: 150
    Fore Sides: 130/130
    Aft Sides: 130/130
    Aft: 108

Cargo
    Bay 1:  Fighter (20)            5 Doors   
    Bay 2:  Small Craft (2)         1 Door   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (140000.0 tons)   1 Door   

Ammunition:
    24,000 rounds of Anti-Missile System [IS] ammunition (2,000 tons),
    600 rounds of NAC/30 ammunition (480 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 2
Grav Decks: 2 (90 m, 90 m)
Escape Pods: 0
Life Boats: 30
Crew:  47 officers, 166 enlisted/non-rated, 64 gunners, 50 bay personnel

Notes: Mounts 748 tons of lamellor ferro-carbide armor.

Weapons:                                       Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                                 Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
Nose (1,130 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (120 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (120 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (120 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (120 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (120 shots)
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
FRS/FLS (810 Heat)
4 Naval Laser 55                           340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
4 Naval Laser 55                           340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
RBS/LBS (130 Heat)
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
ARS/ALS (810 Heat)
4 Naval Laser 55                           340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
4 Naval Laser 55                           340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
Aft (810 Heat)
4 Naval Laser 55                           340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
4 Naval Laser 55                           340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)Congress G no LF for personal fleet 50 K cargo bay

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Congress G Frigate Warship
Mass: 780,000 tons
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Introduced: 2720
Mass: 780,000
Battle Value: 199,917
Tech Rating/Availability: E/E-X-E-F
Cost: 9,371,176,000 C-bills

Fuel: 10,000 tons (25,000)
Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5
Sail Integrity: 5
KF Drive Integrity: 17
Heat Sinks: 3500 (7000)
Structural Integrity: 150

Armor
    Nose: 500
    Fore Sides: 400/400
    Aft Sides: 400/400
    Aft: 330

Cargo
    Bay 1:  Fighter (20)            5 Doors   
    Bay 2:  Small Craft (2)         1 Door   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (54102.0 tons)    1 Door   

Ammunition:
    24,000 rounds of Anti-Missile System [IS] ammunition (2,000 tons),
    600 rounds of NAC/30 ammunition (480 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 2
Grav Decks: 2 (90 m, 90 m)
Escape Pods: 0
Life Boats: 30
Crew:  47 officers, 166 enlisted/non-rated, 64 gunners, 50 bay personnel

Notes: Mounts 2,340 tons of lamellor ferro-carbide armor.

Weapons:                                       Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                                 Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
Nose (1,130 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (120 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (120 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (120 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (120 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (120 shots)
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
FRS/FLS (810 Heat)
4 Naval Laser 55                           340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
4 Naval Laser 55                           340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
RBS/LBS (130 Heat)
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
ARS/ALS (810 Heat)
4 Naval Laser 55                           340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
4 Naval Laser 55                           340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
Aft (810 Heat)
4 Naval Laser 55                           340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
4 Naval Laser 55                           340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 ER Large Laser                           24   2(16)   2(16)   2(16)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (600 shots)

[Andras]

My design above was done using the Google Sheets calculator. I've noticed some discrepancies between the google sheets one and Megamek Lab so I went and redid it in MML to see what the differences are. Weapons are the same, dual NA30s, quad barracudas and NL45s, 8PPCs and 12AMS in bays.

eta- i found where i messed up the design, I didnt see the docking collars at the top, that took up the remaining tonnage and cost that was missing. below are the corrected stats per MML

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Pensacola-D Warship
Base Tech Level: Advanced (IS)
Level                Era                 
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Experimental         -                   
Advanced             2750+ (Star League -)
Standard             -                   
Extinct              2835-3055           
Tech Rating: E/E-X-E-F

Weight: 780000 tons
BV: 220,584
Cost: 12,033,432,000 C-bills
Source: (Unknown)

Movement: 3/5
Heat Sinks: 2424 [4848]
Cockpit: Standard Cockpit
Fuel Points: 18750 (7500.0 tons)
Tons Per Burn Day: 39.52

Structural Integrity: 120
Sail Integrity: 5
KF Drive Integrity: 17
Armor: 1944 (Capital Scale) Lamellor Ferro-Carbide
                  Armor 
-------------------------
Nose               324   
Left Front Side    324   
Right Front Side   324   
Aft                324   
Aft Left Side      324   
Aft Right Side     324   

Weapons                Loc      Heat   
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AMS Bay                NOS       12     
PPC Bay                NOS       80     
Capital Missile Bay    FLS       40     
Capital AC Bay         FLS       200   
Capital AC Bay         FLS       200   
Capital AC Bay         FLS       200   
Capital AC Bay         FLS       200   
Capital Laser Bay      FLS       280   
Capital Missile Bay    FRS       40     
Capital AC Bay         FRS       200   
Capital AC Bay         FRS       200   
Capital AC Bay         FRS       200   
Capital AC Bay         FRS       200   
Capital Laser Bay      FRS       280   
AMS Bay                AFT       12     
PPC Bay                AFT       80     
Capital Missile Bay    ALS       40     
Capital AC Bay         ALS       200   
Capital AC Bay         ALS       200   
Capital AC Bay         ALS       200   
Capital AC Bay         ALS       200   
Capital Laser Bay      ALS       280   
Capital Missile Bay    ARS       40     
Capital AC Bay         ARS       200   
Capital AC Bay         ARS       200   
Capital AC Bay         ARS       200   
Capital AC Bay         ARS       200   
Capital Laser Bay      ARS       280   
AMS Bay                LBS       12     
PPC Bay                LBS       80     
AMS Bay                RBS       12     
PPC Bay                RBS       80     

Ammo                           Loc  Shots 
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Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS]  NOS   2400 
Barracuda Ammo                 FLS    40   
NAC/30 Ammo                    FLS    80   
NAC/30 Ammo                    FLS    80   
NAC/30 Ammo                    FLS    80   
NAC/30 Ammo                    FLS    80   
Barracuda Ammo                 FRS    40   
NAC/30 Ammo                    FRS    80   
NAC/30 Ammo                    FRS    80   
NAC/30 Ammo                    FRS    80   
NAC/30 Ammo                    FRS    80   
Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS]  AFT   2400 
Barracuda Ammo                 ALS    40   
NAC/30 Ammo                    ALS    80   
NAC/30 Ammo                    ALS    80   
NAC/30 Ammo                    ALS    80   
NAC/30 Ammo                    ALS    80   
Barracuda Ammo                 ARS    40   
NAC/30 Ammo                    ARS    80   
NAC/30 Ammo                    ARS    80   
NAC/30 Ammo                    ARS    80   
NAC/30 Ammo                    ARS    80   
Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS]  LBS   2400 
Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS]  RBS   2400 

Carrying Capacity                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
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Aerospace Fighter (12 doors) - 24 units (2 recovery open)
Cargo Space (2 doors) - 32,000 tons
Small Craft (2 doors) - 4 units (2 recovery open)
Dropship - 1 unit
Dropship - 1 unit
Dropship - 1 unit
Dropship - 1 unit
Dropship - 1 unit


Crew                   
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Officers             46 (1st class)
Enlisted/Non-rated  155 (standard)
Gunners              70 (standard)
Bay Personnel        68 (in steerage qquarters)
Passengers            3 (in 2nd class)
Marines             112 (4 platoons in steerage quarters)



[Gorgon]

Not to lose out on a lucrative and long-running contract, Challenge System of Galax enters their own proposal for a successor to the Congress-D into the race.

Envisioned as a NAC-heavy design with the capability of acting as part of a fleet (either commanding lighter elements or in support of fleet carriers and heavy cruisers) and to engage in medium to long term patrols on its own, the Council-class is envisioned as a multi-role vessel. Designed around four powerful Challenge Enduro-4000 main thrusters, the Council has superior acceleration to the Congress, allowing it to mimic the performance of the lighter Davion-II class or the DCA's Samarkand-class. Against heavier foes, the superior maneuverability should allow the Council to approach at an opportune angle of attack or break off engagement as desired.

Its main firepower stems from six dual-NAC-30 turrets along its flanks, with a bias towards the Council's fore quarters. Supported by quad-turrets of medium naval lasers and light and heavy capital missile launchers, the Council can fight at any given range, although it prefers to keep to long-range engagements. Protection is drastically increased over the Congress, the heavier and more modern armor providing passive protection, while a plethora of smaller weapon turrets provide a credible deterrent against enemy fighter and dropship attacks.
Finally, the Council boasts an extensive and sophisticated sensor arrays, comparable in capability to the one seen on the Congress. This, along its complement of two platoons of marines, its full fighter wing and up to three attached dropships allow the Council independent operations.

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Council
Mass: 730,000 tons
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Introduced: 2720
Mass: 730,000
Battle Value: 104,078
Tech Rating/Availability: E/E-X-E-F
Cost: 10,165,536,000 C-bills

Fuel: 8,000 tons (20,000)
Safe Thrust: 4
Maximum Thrust: 6
Sail Integrity: 5
KF Drive Integrity: 16
Heat Sinks: 1652 (3304)
Structural Integrity: 75

Armor
    Nose: 201
    Fore Sides: 166/166
    Aft Sides: 145/145
    Aft: 101

Cargo
    Bay 1:  Fighter (20)            6 Doors   
    Bay 2:  Small Craft (6)         2 Doors   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (77297.0 tons)    4 Doors   

Ammunition:
    40 rounds of Killer Whale ammunition (100 tons),
    1,600 rounds of AC/20 ammunition (83 tons),
    2,880 rounds of LRM 20 ammunition (4 tons),
    120 rounds of Barracuda ammunition (60 tons),
    1,200 rounds of NAC/30 ammunition (4.8 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 3
Grav Decks: 2 (86 m, 86 m)
Escape Pods: 30
Life Boats: 30
Crew:  46 officers, 184 enlisted/non-rated, 60 gunners, 70 bay personnel, 42 marines       

Notes: Equipped with
    1 Naval Comm-Scanner Suite (Large)
    1,095 tons of ferro-carbide armor.

Weapons:                                       Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                                 Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       

Nose (76 Heat)
12 Small Laser                             12   4(36)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   Point Defense
8 Large Laser                              64   6(64)   6(64)    0(0)     0(0)   Laser       

FRS/FLS (764 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (200 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (200 shots)
4 Naval Laser 45                           280  18(180) 18(180) 18(180) 18(180)  Capital Laser
2 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda)     20   4(40)   4(40)   4(40)    4(40)   Capital Missile
    Barracuda Ammo (60 shots)
4 AC/20                                    28   8(80)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AC         
    AC/20 Ammo (400 shots)
6 LRM 20                                   36   7(72)   7(72)   7(72)     0(0)   LRM         
    LRM 20 Ammo (720 shots)

RBS/LBS (108 Heat)
12 Small Laser                             12   4(36)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   Point Defense
12 Large Laser                             96   10(96)  10(96)   0(0)     0(0)   Laser       

ARS/ALS (564 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (200 shots)
4 Naval Laser 45                           280  18(180) 18(180) 18(180) 18(180)  Capital Laser
1 Capital Missile Launcher (Killer Whale)  20   4(40)   4(40)   4(40)    4(40)   Capital Missile
    Killer Whale Ammo (20 shots)
4 AC/20                                    28   8(80)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AC         
    AC/20 Ammo (400 shots)
6 LRM 20                                   36   7(72)   7(72)   7(72)     0(0)   LRM         
    LRM 20 Ammo (720 shots)

Aft (356 Heat)
4 Naval Laser 45                           280  18(180) 18(180) 18(180) 18(180)  Capital Laser
12 Small Laser                             12   4(36)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   Point Defense
8 Large Laser                              64   6(64)   6(64)    0(0)     0(0)   Laser       
OOC: as far as my limited expertise can tell, the other entries are all very good 3/5 designs, so I tried to differ somewhat from them by picking larger engines. In the end, it turned into a larger Davion-II. Oh well. Speaking of which, I limited myself to use only advanced tech seen on the Davion-II, so DHS were possible, but fancy stuff like pulse lasers was out. The Council also features full quarters for all bay personnel, to give it (or its crew) better endurance.

[Andras]

Tried my hand at a lighter ship. I wanted 720, but I needed the extra 10k so it ended up on 730kt. Much more cargo at almost 60kt and 4 drop collars.

Four NAC30s and 15 NL45s in each corner arc comprise the anti-warship firepower. Fighters will face a withering array of Gauss Rifles backed by Barracudas and any unlucky enough to try to slide around the flanks will find 30 NLs on each side of the ship.  At first I had more NACs but I realized I was entirely ammo dependent so I added the NL45s, at 67.5pts per bay. Only 8 AMS per arc, but in 4 paired bays they will still stop up to a KW based nuke and will inflict a significant penalty on any volley they don't outright destroy.

8 AMS, 8 Gauss Rifles, and 4 Barracuda tubes per cardinal arc
4 NAC30 and 15 NL/45 per corner arc.
100% DHS
Deep ammo reserves with 60 shots per NAC and 120 per GR.

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Class/Model/Name: San Juan-D
Tech: Inner Sphere
Ship Cost: $10,654,262,004.00
Magazine Cost: $80,000,000.00
BV2: 115,539

Mass: 730,000
K-F Drive System: Compact
Power Plant: Maneuvering Drive
Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5
Armor Type: Lamellor Ferro-Carbide
Armament:
32 AMS (IS)
32 Gauss Rifle (IS)
16 Capital Launcher Barracuda
60 Naval Laser 45
16 Naval AC 30

Ammo Rounds Mass
AMS (IS) Ammo 9600 800.00
Gauss Rifle (IS) Ammo 3840 480.00
Capital Launcher Barracuda Ammo 160 4,800.00
Naval AC 30 Ammo 960 768.00

Equipment: Mass
Drive: 131,400.00
Thrust
Safe: 3
Maximum: 5
Controls: 1,825.00
K-F Hyperdrive: Compact (16 Integrity) 330,325.00
Jump Sail: (5 Integrity) 67.00
Structural Integrity: 90 65,700.00
Total Heat Sinks: 3012(6024) Double 2,455.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps: 18750 points 7,650.00
Fire Control Computers: 0.00
Armor: 1368 pts Lamellor Ferro-Carbide 1,314.00
Fore: 228
Fore-Left/Right: 228/228
Aft-Left/Right: 228/228
Aft: 228

Dropship Capacity: 4 4,000.00
Grav Decks:
Small: 2 100.00
Life Boats: 72 504.00

Crew And Passengers:
49 Officers in 1st Class Quarters 490.00
142 Crew in 2nd Class Quarters 994.00
98 Gunners and Others in 2nd Class Quarters 686.00
124 Bay Personnel 0.00
3 2nd Class Passengers 21.00
124 Steerage Passengers 570.00 (bay pers)

# Weapons Loc Heat Damage Range Mass
8 AMS (IS) Nose 8 24 (2.4-C) PDS 4.00
8 AMS (IS) RBS 8 24 (2.4-C) PDS 4.00
8 AMS (IS) LBS 8 24 (2.4-C) PDS 4.00
8 AMS (IS) Aft 8 24 (2.4-C) PDS 4.00
8 Gauss Rifle (IS) Nose 8 120 (12-C) Long 120.00
8 Gauss Rifle (IS) RBS 8 120 (12-C) Long 120.00
8 Gauss Rifle (IS) LBS 8 120 (12-C) Long 120.00
8 Gauss Rifle (IS) Aft 8 120 (12-C) Long 120.00
4 Capital Launcher Barracuda Nose 40 80 (8-C) Extreme-C 360.00
4 Capital Launcher Barracuda RBS 40 80 (8-C) Extreme-C 360.00
4 Capital Launcher Barracuda LBS 40 80 (8-C) Extreme-C 360.00
4 Capital Launcher Barracuda Aft 40 80 (8-C) Extreme-C 360.00
15 Naval Laser 45 FR 1050 675 (67.5-C) Extreme-C 13,500.00
15 Naval Laser 45 FL 1050 675 (67.5-C) Extreme-C 13,500.00
15 Naval Laser 45 AR 1050 675 (67.5-C) Extreme-C 13,500.00
15 Naval Laser 45 AL 1050 675 (67.5-C) Extreme-C 13,500.00
4 Naval AC 30 FR 400 1200 (120-C) Long-C 14,000.00
4 Naval AC 30 FL 400 1200 (120-C) Long-C 14,000.00
4 Naval AC 30 AR 400 1200 (120-C) Long-C 14,000.00
4 Naval AC 30 AL 400 1200 (120-C) Long-C 14,000.00


Fighters: 24 (12 doors)
Small Craft: 4 (2 doors)
Cargo: 58.5kt (2 doors)
2 Platoons Foot Infantry


[Hellraiser]

Congress G no LF for FastConcentrate large cargo bay 140k costs less then the Congress C somehow.

You just said how,  No LFB.