Author Topic: Legacy Star League Formations (Read 1472 times)

paladin2019 · « **on:** 27 June 2023, 01:50:59 »

Do SLDF formations that are legacies of pre-Star League nations retain their insignia? (And should the Sarna pages include those insignia?) It's not like FASA was shy about about plastering the "boy scout patch" all over the Renegade Legion 2d ACR book.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #1 on:** 27 June 2023, 14:47:56 »

Huh, I thought the Screaming Eagles used the puke'n chicken . . . guess not.

paladin2019 · « **Reply #2 on:** 27 June 2023, 17:46:20 »

All the legacy units I've seen on Sarna either have no insignia or the generic Star League star, hence the question.

Guardian11 · « **Reply #3 on:** 27 June 2023, 18:18:10 »

The Royal Black Watch Regiment have an insignia that is similar to, but not the same as the insignia for the current real life Black Watch, the 3rd Battalion, Royal Scots Regiment. Other than that exceptional unit, they don't have unit insignia attached to them other than maybe the Cameron Star. If the Royal Black Watch are any indication, they likely did continue using an evolution of the current real life unit insignia, unless the Royal Black Watch were the only unit allowed to keep their traditional insignia.

tassa_kay · « **Reply #4 on:** 27 June 2023, 21:39:18 »

The Royal Black Watch, even before its reconstitution by Ian Cameron, was supported by and had sworn fealty to the Cameron family going all the way back to pre-spaceflight Terra, so I'd definitely call them the definition of "exception to the rule".

paladin2019 · « **Reply #5 on:** 28 June 2023, 03:56:01 »

Not sure exactly how the American (or other units) units got pulled into the monarchical SLDF, but I know the units. If they were inducted wholecloth, there would be some...pushback over not being allowed their totems. I understand from colleagues that British Army units tend to share this attitude, perhaps moreso than Americans.. And the Black Watch isn't the only unit with their own insignia; cf Minnesota Tribe. So, questions.

Wolf72 · « **Reply #6 on:** 28 June 2023, 06:15:18 »

Quote from: paladin2019 on 28 June 2023, 03:56:01

... Minnesota Tribe. So, questions.

that's what I first thought of too

mbear · « **Reply #7 on:** 28 June 2023, 06:35:19 »

Quote from: paladin2019 on 27 June 2023, 01:50:59

Do SLDF formations that are legacies of pre-Star League nations retain their insignia? (And should the Sarna pages include those insignia?) It's not like FASA was shy about about plastering the "boy scout patch" all over the Renegade Legion 2d ACR book.

We don't know. And until we get an answer from CGL (or official artwork for the unit insignia) Sarna's probably going to continue using the generic SLDF insignia.

Generalstoner · « **Reply #8 on:** 28 June 2023, 09:54:46 »

I am unsure of exact insignia but the SLDF did have the 1st Infantry Division, 82nd Royal Jump Infantry Division and 101st Jump Infantry division all in its ranks and the SLDF books states they all traced their lineage back to the Terran member state the USA.

If they trace lineage it may be safe to assume insignia did not change.

Hellraiser · « **Reply #9 on:** 28 June 2023, 16:51:44 »

Quote from: Generalstoner on 28 June 2023, 09:54:46

I am unsure of exact insignia but the SLDF did have the 1st Infantry Division, 82nd Royal Jump Infantry Division and 101st Jump Infantry division all in its ranks and the SLDF books states they all traced their lineage back to the Terran member state the USA.

If they trace lineage it may be safe to assume insignia did not change.

I was just thinking of those myself. Big Red One!

Maybe the French Demi-Brigade uses the Foreign Legion symbol?

GRUD · « **Reply #10 on:** 29 June 2023, 11:41:15 »

Quote from: Generalstoner on 28 June 2023, 09:54:46

I am unsure of exact insignia but the SLDF did have the 1st Infantry Division, 82nd Royal Jump Infantry Division and 101st Jump Infantry division all in its ranks and the SLDF books states they all traced their lineage back to the Terran member state the USA.

If they trace lineage it may be safe to assume insignia did not change.

I can't imagine the 101st Jump Infantry Division giving up their gagging chicken patch! :thumbsup:

Likewise, the 82nd Royal Jump Infantry Division would Probably retain their Alcoholics Anonymous patch.

Colt Ward · « **Reply #11 on:** 29 June 2023, 12:07:08 »

Quote from: GRUD on 29 June 2023, 11:41:15

I can't imagine the 101st Jump Infantry Division giving up their gagging chicken patch! :thumbsup:

Likewise, the 82nd Royal Jump Infantry Division would Probably retain their Alcoholics Anonymous patch.

The identity and espirit de corps is why you integrate those formations as they are- you do not have to build a identity and at the beginning it allows a focus for any lingering nationalism.

paladin2019 · « **Reply #12 on:** 29 June 2023, 18:05:53 »

The 9th (still a contemporary formation when Star League (FASA 1630) was was published) might enthusiastically give up the Girl Scout Cookie patch. ;)

paladin2019 · « **Reply #13 on:** 29 June 2023, 18:18:45 »

BTW, off-topic, but found while getting a cookie pic. Probably a useful guide.

Generalstoner · « **Reply #14 on:** 29 June 2023, 21:45:39 »

I might pull my SLDF book this weekend and try to catalog a list of the legacy divisions.

paladin2019 · « **Reply #15 on:** 29 June 2023, 22:53:14 »

There are five American divisions: 1st Cav/1st Royal Mech, 82d Airborne/82d Royal Jump, 1st Infantry, 9th Infantry/9th Mech, and 101st Airborne/101st Jump (and all except the Big Red One are Exodus units because the 1st didn't survive the ~~coup~~ Periphery uprisings).

Smaller units have no mention, so Renegade Legion is obviously not in the the same universe, otherwise the Boy Scout patch would be noted.

Generalstoner · « **Reply #16 on:** 02 July 2023, 19:30:55 »

Legacy Star League Formations

105th mech inf- the Cameron highlanders
166th mech inf- the red Diamond division
101st Royal jump inf- the screaming eagles
175th Royal mech inf- the desert rats
4th Royal inf- the Gurkha rifles
245th battlemech- The Marne division
185th mech inf- The Swiss guard
127th mech inf- Hell on Wheels
181st Royal mech inf- King’s own scot rifles
1st Royal mech inf- the first team
82nd Royal jump inf- the all-Americans
1st inf division- the big red one
110th mech inf- the Royal Irish fusiliers

Broken_Metal_Dreaming · « **Reply #17 on:** 02 July 2023, 19:44:19 »

Just read up on the Cameron's Highlanders yesterday. FM: SLDF, explains the circumstances surrounding their nickname. As best as I can tell, they don't trace their lineage directly to the UK Regiment The Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders, or the current Queen's Own Highlanders regiment that was formed from them and another unit, but they are given the unit nickname and because of the circumstances I would imagine they did some research and implemented the old traditions as well. At least such is my understanding.

Generalstoner · « **Reply #18 on:** 02 July 2023, 22:01:09 »

I just pulled names that existed in our world today. For what it’s worth there were also 2 Hell on Wheels nicknames too.

paladin2019 · « **Reply #19 on:** 02 July 2023, 22:40:16 »

Red Diamond (5th ID), Marne (3d ID?), and Hell on Wheels (2d AD) are a bit misnumbered (and potentially misclassed) if they're legacies. ;)

(And the 101st isn't a royal division.)

Generalstoner · « **Reply #20 on:** 02 July 2023, 23:06:03 »

Very misnumbered. Just picking up on names.