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Vehrec

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Terran Honor Guard
« on: 01 October 2023, 18:04:22 »
So, I came up with this fanfic idea that a bunch of old warships were given to various local Terran governments as party favors/promises to not bombard them.  And these would go on to have various long and noted careers, until the Amaris Coup happens...at which case, their long history might reveal that some of them, not being expeditionary craft, have been trading cargo volume for other things.

Let's start with MNSS Clemenceau.  A block one Aegis, we'll give it the standard coat of Ferro-carbide they all picked up, and replace the white shark launchers with AR10s.  We then consult the big book of French designs and decide that a Tertiary and Quaternary battery are needed-so we're gonna add AMS and anti-fighter defenses.  A lot of AMS, because the Quaternary battery is very important.  Like, 20 AMS per firing arc, that's how many AMS we're putting on this thing.  And pulse lasers and SSRMs for the tertiary battery because Star League Baby!

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Aegis Heavy Cruiser MNSS Clemenceau (2752 refit)
Mass: 750,000 tons
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Introduced: 2752
Mass: 750,000
Battle Value: 115,983
Tech Rating/Availability: E/E-X-E-F
Cost: 10,248,527,000 C-bills

Fuel: 1,000 tons (2,500)
Safe Thrust: 2
Maximum Thrust: 3
Sail Integrity: 5
KF Drive Integrity: 16
Heat Sinks: 2,046
Structural Integrity: 75

Armor
    Nose: 91
    Fore Sides: 101/101
    Aft Sides: 101/101
    Aft: 91

Cargo
    Bay 1:  Small Craft (10)        2 Doors   
    Bay 2:  Fighter (18)            4 Doors   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (104714.5 tons)   1 Door   

Ammunition:
    60 rounds of AR10 Killer Whale ammunition (350 tons),
    840 rounds of NAC/10 ammunition (168 tons),
    3,840 rounds of Anti-Missile System [IS] ammunition (8 tons),
    60 rounds of AR10 Barracuda ammunition (210 tons),
    120 rounds of AR10 White Shark ammunition (280 tons),
    400 rounds of Streak SRM 2 ammunition (8 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 4
Grav Decks: 2 (90 m, 90 m)
Escape Pods: 0
Life Boats: 20
Crew:  65 officers, 205 enlisted/non-rated, 120 gunners, 86 bay personnel

Notes: Mounts 672.5 tons of ferro-carbide armor.

Weapons:                                        Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                                  Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
Nose (188 Heat)
4 Naval Autocannon (NAC/10)                 120  40(400) 40(400) 40(400)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/10 Ammo (60 shots)
20 Anti-Missile System                      20   6(60)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (480 shots)
4 Large Pulse Laser                         40   4(36)   4(36)    0(0)     0(0)   Pulse Laser
4 Streak SRM 2                               8   2(16)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   SRM         
    Streak SRM 2 Ammo (50 shots)
FRS/FLS (248 Heat)
4 Naval Autocannon (NAC/10)                 120  40(400) 40(400) 40(400)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/10 Ammo (60 shots)
3 Capital Missile Launcher (AR10 Launcher)  60   6(60)   6(60)   6(60)    6(60)   AR10       
    AR10 Barracuda Ammo (15 shots)
    AR10 Killer Whale Ammo (15 shots)
    AR10 White Shark Ammo (30 shots)
20 Anti-Missile System                      20   6(60)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (480 shots)
4 Large Pulse Laser                         40   4(36)   4(36)    0(0)     0(0)   Pulse Laser
4 Streak SRM 2                               8   2(16)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   SRM         
    Streak SRM 2 Ammo (50 shots)
RBS/LBS (643 Heat)
5 Naval Autocannon (NAC/10)                 150  50(500) 50(500) 50(500)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/10 Ammo (100 shots)
3 Naval Laser 55                            255  17(165) 17(165) 17(165) 17(165)  Capital Laser
5 Naval Autocannon (NAC/10)                 150  50(500) 50(500) 50(500)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/10 Ammo (100 shots)
1 Capital Missile Launcher (AR10 Launcher)  20   2(20)   2(20)   2(20)    2(20)   AR10       
    AR10 Barracuda Ammo (5 shots)
    AR10 Killer Whale Ammo (5 shots)
    AR10 White Shark Ammo (10 shots)
20 Anti-Missile System                      20   6(60)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (480 shots)
4 Large Pulse Laser                         40   4(36)   4(36)    0(0)     0(0)   Pulse Laser
4 Streak SRM 2                               8   2(16)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   SRM         
    Streak SRM 2 Ammo (50 shots)
ARS/ALS (523 Heat)
3 Naval Laser 55                            255  17(165) 17(165) 17(165) 17(165)  Capital Laser
6 Naval Autocannon (NAC/10)                 180  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/10 Ammo (100 shots)
1 Capital Missile Launcher (AR10 Launcher)  20   2(20)   2(20)   2(20)    2(20)   AR10       
    AR10 Barracuda Ammo (5 shots)
    AR10 Killer Whale Ammo (5 shots)
    AR10 White Shark Ammo (10 shots)
20 Anti-Missile System                      20   6(60)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (480 shots)
4 Large Pulse Laser                         40   4(36)   4(36)    0(0)     0(0)   Pulse Laser
4 Streak SRM 2                               8   2(16)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   SRM         
    Streak SRM 2 Ammo (50 shots)
Aft (508 Heat)
4 Naval Autocannon (NAC/10)                 120  40(400) 40(400) 40(400)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/10 Ammo (60 shots)
4 Naval Laser 45                            280  18(180) 18(180) 18(180) 18(180)  Capital Laser
2 Capital Missile Launcher (AR10 Launcher)  40   4(40)   4(40)   4(40)    4(40)   AR10       
    AR10 Barracuda Ammo (10 shots)
    AR10 Killer Whale Ammo (10 shots)
    AR10 White Shark Ammo (20 shots)
20 Anti-Missile System                      20   6(60)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (480 shots)
4 Large Pulse Laser                         40   4(36)   4(36)    0(0)     0(0)   Pulse Laser
4 Streak SRM 2                               8   2(16)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   SRM         
    Streak SRM 2 Ammo (50 shots)

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Re: Terran Honor Guard
« Reply #1 on: 01 October 2023, 19:53:17 »
Well, it'll survive the first wave of missiles... ;D
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Re: Terran Honor Guard
« Reply #2 on: 01 October 2023, 21:10:59 »
Quote from: Daryk on 01 October 2023, 19:53:17
Well, it'll survive the first wave of missiles... ;D
And hopefully the next 23 waves as well.  But the 25th wave might get through!
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Re: Terran Honor Guard
« Reply #3 on: 01 October 2023, 21:43:12 »
Game should be over by then...

20 turns...

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Re: Terran Honor Guard
« Reply #4 on: 04 October 2023, 21:16:00 »
Next up, the Nigerian Space Craft Al-Sudan, is one of the most comprehensive refits of any warship in the Terran National Navies, because it rips out the original engines and installs new, higher power engines that allow for absolutely absurd 3 G acceleration and enhanced hull framing to take up the slack in the design.  It also adds a small but significant AMS system, just big enough to be a tripwire.  The ship's quarters get a slight upgrade for VIPs and admiralty staff, but in terms of weapons, the Al-Sudan is pretty much just a normal Quixote class frigate-just with enough speed to match a Lola.

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Quixote Frigate Al-Sudan (2650)
Mass: 780,000 tons
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Introduced: 2650
Mass: 780,000
Battle Value: 90,207
Tech Rating/Availability: E/E-X-E-F
Cost: 12,091,299,200 C-bills

Fuel: 1,900 tons (4,750)
Safe Thrust: 4
Maximum Thrust: 6
Sail Integrity: 5
KF Drive Integrity: 17
Heat Sinks: 1,177
Structural Integrity: 83

Armor
    Nose: 151
    Fore Sides: 140/140
    Aft Sides: 140/140
    Aft: 113

Cargo
    Bay 1:  Fighter (12)            4 Doors   
    Bay 2:  Small Craft (6)         4 Doors   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (76146.5 tons)    1 Door   

Ammunition:
    288 rounds of Anti-Missile System [IS] ammunition (8 tons),
    360 rounds of Killer Whale ammunition (18,000 tons),
    480 rounds of White Shark ammunition (19,200 tons),
    480 rounds of Barracuda ammunition (14,400 tons),
    400 rounds of NAC/30 ammunition (320 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 6
Grav Decks: 3 (120 m, 145 m, 145 m)
Escape Pods: 40
Life Boats: 44
Crew:  56 officers, 145 enlisted/non-rated, 76 gunners, 54 bay personnel, 15 passengers, 150 marines

Notes: Mounts 1,294.5 tons of improved ferro-aluminum armor.

Weapons:                                       Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                                 Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
Nose (123 Heat)
6 Capital Missile Launcher (Killer Whale)  120  24(240) 24(240) 24(240) 24(240)  Capital Missile
    Killer Whale Ammo (120 shots)
3 Anti-Missile System                       3    1(9)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (36 shots)
FRS/FLS (328 Heat)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                100  30(300) 30(300) 30(300)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (100 shots)
1 Naval Laser 55                           85   6(55)   6(55)   6(55)    6(55)   Capital Laser
2 Capital Missile Launcher (Killer Whale)  40   8(80)   8(80)   8(80)    8(80)   Capital Missile
    Killer Whale Ammo (40 shots)
4 Capital Missile Launcher (White Shark)   60   12(120) 12(120) 12(120) 12(120)  Capital Missile
    White Shark Ammo (80 shots)
4 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda)     40   8(80)   8(80)   8(80)    8(80)   Capital Missile
    Barracuda Ammo (80 shots)
3 Anti-Missile System                       3    1(9)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (36 shots)
RBS/LBS (143 Heat)
2 Capital Missile Launcher (Killer Whale)  40   8(80)   8(80)   8(80)    8(80)   Capital Missile
    Killer Whale Ammo (40 shots)
4 Capital Missile Launcher (White Shark)   60   12(120) 12(120) 12(120) 12(120)  Capital Missile
    White Shark Ammo (80 shots)
4 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda)     40   8(80)   8(80)   8(80)    8(80)   Capital Missile
    Barracuda Ammo (80 shots)
3 Anti-Missile System                       3    1(9)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (36 shots)
ARS/ALS (328 Heat)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                100  30(300) 30(300) 30(300)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (100 shots)
1 Naval Laser 55                           85   6(55)   6(55)   6(55)    6(55)   Capital Laser
2 Capital Missile Launcher (Killer Whale)  40   8(80)   8(80)   8(80)    8(80)   Capital Missile
    Killer Whale Ammo (40 shots)
4 Capital Missile Launcher (White Shark)   60   12(120) 12(120) 12(120) 12(120)  Capital Missile
    White Shark Ammo (80 shots)
4 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda)     40   8(80)   8(80)   8(80)    8(80)   Capital Missile
    Barracuda Ammo (80 shots)
3 Anti-Missile System                       3    1(9)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (36 shots)
Aft (173 Heat)
2 Naval Laser 55                           170  11(110) 11(110) 11(110) 11(110)  Capital Laser
3 Anti-Missile System                       3    1(9)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (36 shots)

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Re: Terran Honor Guard
« Reply #5 on: 05 October 2023, 03:16:07 »
Nice upgrade! :)
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Re: Terran Honor Guard
« Reply #6 on: 05 October 2023, 13:44:28 »
You may find the next one less great-because the PRC (Liberal Democracy One Party State since 2023) have the single worst idea for a refit in all the fleets.  You see, they realized around the time that the Soyal class was being floated, that they could fit a light mass driver on their flagship the Cao Cao.  But they wanted to keep people off the tail of the refit Riga class frigate as well.  Their solution was to create a mobile Kessler Cascade by fitting no less than 47 minelaying pods to the aft of their flagship.  Referred to by many as the 'War Crimes Frigate, the Cao Cao also has improved internal framing to brace it's new main gun, but doesn't mount comparable armor to increase it's durability, instead bringing a single light marine company for internal security and counter-boarding.

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Riga Frigate (2732 PRC Refit)
Mass: 750,000 tons
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Experimental)
Introduced: 2732
Mass: 750,000
Battle Value: 119,076
Tech Rating/Availability: E/F-X-F-F
Cost: 9,197,367,480 C-bills

Fuel: 10,560 tons (26,400)
Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5
Sail Integrity: 5
KF Drive Integrity: 16
Heat Sinks: 2,100
Structural Integrity: 82

Armor
    Nose: 91
    Fore Sides: 73/73
    Aft Sides: 67/67
    Aft: 43

Cargo
    Bay 1:  Fighter (12)            2 Doors   
    Bay 2:  Small Craft (4)         2 Doors   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (84350.0 tons)    2 Doors   

Ammunition:
    400 rounds of NAC/25 ammunition (240 tons),
    50 rounds of Light Mass Driver ammunition (50 tons),
    300 rounds of NAC/30 ammunition (240 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 2
Grav Decks: 2 (140 m, 65 m)
Escape Pods: 31
Life Boats: 20
Crew:  44 officers, 157 enlisted/non-rated, 85 gunners, 44 bay personnel, 25 marines

Notes: Equipped with
    1 Naval Comm-Scanner Suite (Small)
    47 Space Mine Dispenser
458 tons of ferro-carbide armor.

Weapons:                               Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                         Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
Nose (625 Heat)
1 Naval PPC (Heavy)                225  15(150) 15(150) 15(150) 15(150)  Capital PPC
2 Naval Laser 55                   170  11(110) 11(110) 11(110) 11(110)  Capital Laser
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)        200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (100 shots)
1 Mass Driver (Light)              30   60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital Mass Driver
    Light Mass Driver Ammo (50 shots)
FRS/FLS (415 Heat)
1 Naval PPC (Light)                105  7(70)   7(70)   7(70)     0(0)   Capital PPC
2 Naval Laser 45                   140  9(90)   9(90)   9(90)    9(90)   Capital Laser
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/25)        170  50(500) 50(500) 50(500)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/25 Ammo (100 shots)
RBS/LBS (595 Heat)
1 Naval PPC (Heavy)                225  15(150) 15(150) 15(150) 15(150)  Capital PPC
2 Naval Laser 55                   170  11(110) 11(110) 11(110) 11(110)  Capital Laser
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)        200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (100 shots)
ARS/ALS (415 Heat)
1 Naval PPC (Light)                105  7(70)   7(70)   7(70)     0(0)   Capital PPC
2 Naval Laser 45                   140  9(90)   9(90)   9(90)    9(90)   Capital Laser
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/25)        170  50(500) 50(500) 50(500)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/25 Ammo (100 shots)
Aft (245 Heat)
1 Naval PPC (Light)                105  7(70)   7(70)   7(70)     0(0)   Capital PPC
2 Naval Laser 45                   140  9(90)   9(90)   9(90)    9(90)   Capital Laser

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Re: Terran Honor Guard
« Reply #7 on: 05 October 2023, 17:30:44 »
That's totally GREAT because the fluff perfectly explains the design weirdness! ;D
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Re: Terran Honor Guard
« Reply #8 on: 07 October 2023, 19:38:02 »
The upgrade to the Indian flagship has been delayed by accidentally closing MML when the design was finished.  So instead, I'm making the American Vincent Refit.  A class that can be summed up with this quote from the Matrix.

"So what will you need?  besides a miracle..."
"Guns.  Lots of guns."

How about 10 Barracudas instead of 2?  How about capital lasers instead of large lasers?  A couple naval gauss rifles?  HOW MANY GUNS IS ENOUGH GUNS???

Well, about 18.2% guns by wet-mass.  A thousand tons more fuel.  And not a PINCH more armor.

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Vincent Corvette Mk 39a (American Refit)
Mass: 420,000 tons
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Introduced: 2682
Mass: 420,000
Battle Value: 140,095
Tech Rating/Availability: E/E-X-E-X
Cost: 5,949,940,000 C-bills

Fuel: 3,000 tons (7,500)
Safe Thrust: 4
Maximum Thrust: 6
Sail Integrity: 4
KF Drive Integrity: 10
Heat Sinks: 2,500
Structural Integrity: 40

Armor
    Nose: 16
    Fore Sides: 19/19
    Aft Sides: 19/19
    Aft: 16

Cargo
    Bay 1:  Small Craft (4)         1 Door   
    Bay 2:  Fighter (6)             2 Doors   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (100.0 tons)      1 Door   
    Bay 4:  Cargo (19798.0 tons)    1 Door   

Ammunition:
    200 rounds of NAC/10 ammunition (40 tons),
    384 rounds of Anti-Missile System [IS] ammunition (8 tons),
    800 rounds of LB 10-X Cluster ammunition (8 tons),
    160 rounds of Medium N-Gauss ammunition (64 tons),
    400 rounds of NAC/30 ammunition (320 tons),
    180 rounds of Barracuda ammunition (5,400 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 0
Grav Decks: 1 (60 m)
Escape Pods: 8
Life Boats: 0
Crew:  31 officers, 104 enlisted/non-rated, 49 gunners, 32 bay personnel

Notes: Equipped with
    1 Naval Comm-Scanner Suite (Small)
105 tons of ferro-carbide armor.

Weapons:                                      Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                                Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
Nose (74 Heat)
6 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda)    60   12(120) 12(120) 12(120) 12(120)  Capital Missile
    Barracuda Ammo (100 shots)
5 LB 10-X AC                              10   5(50)   5(50)    0(0)     0(0)   LBX AC     
    LB 10-X Cluster Ammo (100 shots)
4 Anti-Missile System                      4   1(12)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (48 shots)
FRS/FLS (614 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)               230  70(700) 70(700) 70(700)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/10)
    NAC/10 Ammo (50 shots)
    NAC/30 Ammo (100 shots)
4 Naval Laser 55                          340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
2 Naval Gauss (Medium)                    30   50(500) 50(500) 50(500) 50(500)  Capital Gauss
    Medium N-Gauss Ammo (80 shots)
5 LB 10-X AC                              10   5(50)   5(50)    0(0)     0(0)   LBX AC     
    LB 10-X Cluster Ammo (100 shots)
4 Anti-Missile System                      4   1(12)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (48 shots)
RBS/LBS (584 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)               230  70(700) 70(700) 70(700)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/10)
    NAC/10 Ammo (50 shots)
    NAC/30 Ammo (100 shots)
4 Naval Laser 55                          340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
5 LB 10-X AC                              10   5(50)   5(50)    0(0)     0(0)   LBX AC     
    LB 10-X Cluster Ammo (100 shots)
4 Anti-Missile System                      4   1(12)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (48 shots)
ARS/ALS (14 Heat)
5 LB 10-X AC                              10   5(50)   5(50)    0(0)     0(0)   LBX AC     
    LB 10-X Cluster Ammo (100 shots)
4 Anti-Missile System                      4   1(12)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (48 shots)
Aft (54 Heat)
4 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda)    40   8(80)   8(80)   8(80)    8(80)   Capital Missile
    Barracuda Ammo (80 shots)
5 LB 10-X AC                              10   5(50)   5(50)    0(0)     0(0)   LBX AC     
    LB 10-X Cluster Ammo (100 shots)
4 Anti-Missile System                      4   1(12)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
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Re: Terran Honor Guard
« Reply #9 on: 07 October 2023, 20:20:21 »
It's got AMS and appropriately sized Naval Lasers... I like it! :)
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Re: Terran Honor Guard
« Reply #10 on: 07 October 2023, 23:45:53 »
Quote from: Vehrec on 01 October 2023, 18:04:22
We then consult the big book of French designs and decide that a Tertiary and Quaternary battery are needed-

Why and which big book?
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Re: Terran Honor Guard
« Reply #11 on: 08 October 2023, 07:23:48 »
Quote from: Ice Hellion on 07 October 2023, 23:45:53
Why and which big book?



I did warn you, it's a big book!  As for the why-I made a whole RNG chart and the french shipbuilders got 'Slightly cursed' as their option.  So they played a game of Tumblehome for a bit before actually desigining the refit :P.
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Re: Terran Honor Guard
« Reply #12 on: 08 October 2023, 09:43:04 »
Interesting. Thanks.
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Re: Terran Honor Guard
« Reply #13 on: 08 October 2023, 17:22:09 »
Interesting designs

French Sponge
Nigerian Sprinter
PRC War Crime
American Glass Hammer

So given these not at all stereotypes I'm guessing:
Russian Big Primitive with Nukes
British Fatcat Broadsider still talking about the Empire and Nelson
German Beercrate with the best kitchens
Japanese TechCruiser a technical nightmare
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Re: Terran Honor Guard
« Reply #14 on: 08 October 2023, 21:52:25 »
Given the backstory there are actually multiple options for sponsoring a Russian ship, depending on whether they have the economic clout to do so. You could justify both the oligarch's mega-yacht and the poorly maintained communist propaganda piece! 

(and maybe five others for the rest of the post USSR successor states mentioned in canon?)

A minor quibble, I'm not sure the PRC would exist, at least as the PRC, by the time WarShips were around?  Canonically, Republican China annexed Hong Kong, and later when Elias Liao launched his terror campaign, he figured Beijing was a valid target, and it was Republican Chinese commandoes that launched the raid to capture him. It kinda feels like the implication is that the two Chinas somehow re-integrated with the Republicans on top. 
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Re: Terran Honor Guard
« Reply #15 on: 09 October 2023, 09:13:12 »
Quote from: Liam's Ghost on 08 October 2023, 21:52:25
Given the backstory there are actually multiple options for sponsoring a Russian ship, depending on whether they have the economic clout to do so. You could justify both the oligarch's mega-yacht and the poorly maintained communist propaganda piece! 

(and maybe five others for the rest of the post USSR successor states mentioned in canon?)

A minor quibble, I'm not sure the PRC would exist, at least as the PRC, by the time WarShips were around?  Canonically, Republican China annexed Hong Kong, and later when Elias Liao launched his terror campaign, he figured Beijing was a valid target, and it was Republican Chinese commandoes that launched the raid to capture him. It kinda feels like the implication is that the two Chinas somehow re-integrated with the Republicans on top.

Then again, by this point in the timeline, Nationstates themselves would no longer exist having been disbanded by McKenna and their administrations turned into the regional governments of the Hegemony. This is already a major AU for the Hegemony.
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Re: Terran Honor Guard
« Reply #16 on: 09 October 2023, 10:37:09 »
Yeah, in this timeline the PRC undergoes major liberalization in 2023, holds singapore/Japan style elections where minority parties get maybe 30% of the vote, and then joins the Terran Alliance before the Deimos Project kicks off.  And then when McKenna takes over, the Communist Party's right wing (by now pretty not communist but unable to change their name for branding purposes) sides with him for nationalist pride and because he promises them a Warship of their very own Soon(tm).

Hong Kong doesn't remain an independent micro-state for 200 years in the face of One China policy from both sides, come on.

And yes, the entire point of this is that in order to get the nation states to agree to McKenna's reforms, he has to placate various power groups, just like he left the House of Windsor on the throne of Great Britain.  James McKenna himself never delivered any of his warship promises, and India got theirs first-and only after he was dead.

And speaking of India, I want to ask you a question:  What's just the nastiest upgrade you can give a Black Lion block 1 to make it a more effective low-orbit brawler?  Well, I thought it over and decided that NAC40s were the way to go.  I could have gone a bit more extreme but I decided to hold back on converting the ship entirely from expeditionary warship to super-BC, and anyways, it was already pretty nasty.  So I got rid of the anti-fighter ACs and put on something with some more kick.  Gauss rifles and ER LLs replace them, greatly increasing the anti-fighter punch.  The AMS grid is pretty leaky, but it would suffice to make it a bit harder to hit.

And if I ever wrote this up, the Lord Varuna, a ship given to a region of 2 billion to assure them they would never be bombed from orbit would do a lot of bombing from orbit with both regular NACs and with their 'special weapons locker.'  Turns out, nukes are easy to come by if you request DOME funding for 'mountain removal charges'.

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Black Lion I Battlecruiser Lord Varuna
Mass: 720,000 tons
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Introduced: 2755
Mass: 720,000
Battle Value: 168,413
Tech Rating/Availability: E/E-X-E-F
Cost: 7,624,378,000 C-bills

Fuel: 1,000 tons (2,500)
Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5
Sail Integrity: 5
KF Drive Integrity: 16
Heat Sinks: 1054 (2108)
Structural Integrity: 75

Armor
    Nose: 102
    Fore Sides: 177/177
    Aft Sides: 177/177
    Aft: 102

Cargo
    Bay 1:  Fighter (16)            1 Door   
    Bay 2:  Fighter (16)            1 Door   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (68576.0 tons)    2 Doors   

Ammunition:
    400 rounds of NAC/40 ammunition (46.8 tons),
    1,024 rounds of Gauss Rifle [IS] ammunition (16 tons),
    192 rounds of Anti-Missile System [IS] ammunition (8 tons),
    160 rounds of Killer Whale ammunition (8,000 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 0
Grav Decks: 2 (150 m, 150 m)
Escape Pods: 36
Life Boats: 36
Crew:  99 officers, 394 enlisted/non-rated, 104 gunners, 64 bay personnel, 70 passengers, 140 marines

Notes: Mounts 1,080 tons of ferro-carbide armor.

Weapons:                                       Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                                 Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
Nose (646 Heat)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/40)                135  40(400) 40(400)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/40 Ammo (20 shots)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/40)                135  40(400) 40(400)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/40 Ammo (20 shots)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/40)                135  40(400) 40(400)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/40 Ammo (20 shots)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/40)                135  40(400) 40(400)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/40 Ammo (20 shots)
4 Gauss Rifle                               4   6(60)   6(60)   6(60)     0(0)   AC         
    Gauss Rifle Ammo [IS] (64 shots)
4 Gauss Rifle                               4   6(60)   6(60)   6(60)     0(0)   AC         
    Gauss Rifle Ammo [IS] (64 shots)
8 ER Large Laser                           96   6(64)   6(64)   6(64)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (24 shots)
FRS/FLS (509 Heat)
3 Capital Missile Launcher (Killer Whale)  60   12(120) 12(120) 12(120) 12(120)  Capital Missile
    Killer Whale Ammo (40 shots)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/40)                135  40(400) 40(400)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/40 Ammo (20 shots)
4 Gauss Rifle                               4   6(60)   6(60)   6(60)     0(0)   AC         
    Gauss Rifle Ammo [IS] (64 shots)
4 Gauss Rifle                               4   6(60)   6(60)   6(60)     0(0)   AC         
    Gauss Rifle Ammo [IS] (64 shots)
4 Naval Laser 35                           208  14(140) 14(140) 14(140)   0(0)   Capital Laser
8 ER Large Laser                           96   6(64)   6(64)   6(64)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (24 shots)
RBS/LBS (646 Heat)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/40)                135  40(400) 40(400)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/40 Ammo (20 shots)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/40)                135  40(400) 40(400)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/40 Ammo (20 shots)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/40)                135  40(400) 40(400)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/40 Ammo (20 shots)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/40)                135  40(400) 40(400)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/40 Ammo (20 shots)
4 Gauss Rifle                               4   6(60)   6(60)   6(60)     0(0)   AC         
    Gauss Rifle Ammo [IS] (64 shots)
4 Gauss Rifle                               4   6(60)   6(60)   6(60)     0(0)   AC         
    Gauss Rifle Ammo [IS] (64 shots)
8 ER Large Laser                           96   6(64)   6(64)   6(64)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (24 shots)
ARS/ALS (509 Heat)
3 Capital Missile Launcher (Killer Whale)  60   12(120) 12(120) 12(120) 12(120)  Capital Missile
    Killer Whale Ammo (40 shots)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/40)                135  40(400) 40(400)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/40 Ammo (20 shots)
4 Gauss Rifle                               4   6(60)   6(60)   6(60)     0(0)   AC         
    Gauss Rifle Ammo [IS] (64 shots)
4 Naval Laser 35                           208  14(140) 14(140) 14(140)   0(0)   Capital Laser
4 Gauss Rifle                               4   6(60)   6(60)   6(60)     0(0)   AC         
    Gauss Rifle Ammo [IS] (64 shots)
4 ER Large Laser                           48   3(32)   3(32)   3(32)     0(0)   Laser       
4 ER Large Laser                           48   3(32)   3(32)   3(32)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (24 shots)
Aft (646 Heat)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/40)                135  40(400) 40(400)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/40 Ammo (20 shots)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/40)                135  40(400) 40(400)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/40 Ammo (20 shots)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/40)                135  40(400) 40(400)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/40 Ammo (20 shots)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/40)                135  40(400) 40(400)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/40 Ammo (20 shots)
4 Gauss Rifle                               4   6(60)   6(60)   6(60)     0(0)   AC         
    Gauss Rifle Ammo [IS] (64 shots)
4 ER Large Laser                           48   3(32)   3(32)   3(32)     0(0)   Laser       
4 Gauss Rifle                               4   6(60)   6(60)   6(60)     0(0)   AC         
    Gauss Rifle Ammo [IS] (64 shots)
4 ER Large Laser                           48   3(32)   3(32)   3(32)     0(0)   Laser       
2 Anti-Missile System                       2    1(6)    0(0)    0(0)     0(0)   AMS         
    Anti-Missile System Ammo [IS] (24 shots)

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Re: Terran Honor Guard
« Reply #17 on: 09 October 2023, 18:49:24 »
At least is HAS an AMS grid! :)
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Re: Terran Honor Guard
« Reply #18 on: 16 October 2023, 11:44:00 »
Quote from: Daryk on 09 October 2023, 18:49:24
At least is HAS an AMS grid! :)
That's probably because it's an older ship without a dedicated dropship collar, and thus it's required to protect itself a bit more.  And they probably can't afford the all-up protection that a Star League ship is supposed to be escorted by.
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Re: Terran Honor Guard
« Reply #19 on: 16 October 2023, 16:58:54 »
Fighters can mount AMS too, so it's good the ship designers still bothered to install some on the ship itself... :)
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Re: Terran Honor Guard
« Reply #20 on: 16 October 2023, 17:06:04 »
Quote from: Daryk on 16 October 2023, 16:58:54
Fighters can mount AMS too, so it's good the ship designers still bothered to install some on the ship itself... :)
I defy you to show me one (1) Star League fighter with AMS.
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Re: Terran Honor Guard
« Reply #21 on: 16 October 2023, 17:27:26 »
Not in canon, no... but we're not talking canon here, are we? ;)
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