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Andras · « **on:** 25 July 2012, 00:40:47 »

Taking a page from Evil Author from here I decided to try to duplicate a couple mechs as vehicles

3025 tech to keep it simple:

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Marauder MRD-3R

Mass: 95 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-E-D
Production Year: 3025
Cost: 5,307,525 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,170

Power Plant:  285 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 32.4 km/h
Flanking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    2  PPCs
    1  Autocannon/5
    2  Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: 
    Primary Factory: 
Communications System: 
Targeting and Tracking System: 

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      50 points                9.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                285                      25.00
    Cruise MP:  3
    Flank MP:   5
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             26                       16.00
Control Equipment:                                                         5.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    2.50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 192                 12.00

                                                      Armor      
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     45        
                                          Left/Right   40/40        
                                              Turret     34        
                                                Rear     33        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 Medium Lasers                              FR        6         2         2.00
2 PPCs                                       T         20        2        14.00
Autocannon/5                                 T         1         1         8.00
@AC/5 (20)                                   BD        -         0         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 12
3          3       4       3       0      4     0   Structure:  5
Special Abilities:

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Warhammer WRH-3R

Mass: 95 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-E-D
Production Year: 3025
Cost: 5,319,150 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,301

Power Plant:  285 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 32.4 km/h
Flanking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    2  PPCs
    1  SRM-6
    2  Medium Lasers
    2  Machine Guns
    2  Vehicle Flamers
Manufacturer: 
    Primary Factory: 
Communications System: 
Targeting and Tracking System: 

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      50 points                9.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                285                      25.00
    Cruise MP:  3
    Flank MP:   5
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             26                       16.00
Control Equipment:                                                         5.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    2.00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 240                 15.00

                                                      Armor      
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     58        
                                          Left/Right   48/48        
                                              Turret     48        
                                                Rear     38        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium Laser                                 FR        3         1         1.00
Machine Gun                                  FR        0         1         0.50
Vehicle Flamer                               FR        3         1         0.50
2 PPCs                                       T         20        2        14.00
SRM-6                                        T         4         1         3.00
Vehicle Flamer                               T         3         1         0.50
Machine Gun                                  T         0         1         0.50
Medium Laser                                 T         3         1         1.00
@MG (1/2) (100)                              BD        -         0         0.50
@Vehicle Flamer (20)                         BD        -         0         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      8    Points: 13
3          4       3       2       0      4     1   Structure:  5
Special Abilities:

CloaknDagger · « **Reply #1 on:** 25 July 2012, 00:44:18 »

My Marauder:

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Marauder MRD-3R

Mass: 70 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-F
Production Year: 0
Cost: 3,325,733 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,286

Power Plant:  280 Fuel Cell Engine
Cruise Speed: 43.2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 64.8 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Thunderbolt-20
    1  Thunderbolt-5
    2  Magshots
Manufacturer: 
    Primary Factory: 
Communications System: 
Targeting and Tracking System: 

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      35 points                7.00
Engine:             Fuel-Cell Engine             280                      19.50
    Cruise MP:  4
    Flank MP:   6
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             1                         0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         3.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    2.00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 208                 13.00

                                                      Armor      
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     51        
                                          Left/Right   41/41        
                                              Turret     42        
                                                Rear     33        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 Magshots                                   T         2         2         1.00
Thunderbolt-20                               T         8         1        15.00
Thunderbolt-5                                T         3         1         3.00
@Magshot Gauss Rifle (50)                    BD        -         0         1.00
@Thunderbolt-20 (12)                         BD        -         0         4.00
@Thunderbolt-5 (12)                          BD        -         0         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      7    Points: 13
4          1       1       1       0      3     2   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: EE

A. Lurker · « **Reply #2 on:** 25 July 2012, 02:22:59 »

Something a little bit lighter that I've actually had lying around for a while now:

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Model: Jenner-T Light Hover Tank
Type: Combat Vehicle
Technology Base: Inner Sphere
Rules Level: Standard

Mass: 35 tons
Motive Type: Hovercraft
Internal Structure: Standard                          3.5 t
Engine: 140 Standard Fusion (Vehicle)                 7.5 t
  Cruise MP: 9
  Flank MP: 14
Heat Sinks: 12 Single                                 2 t
Control Equipment:                                    2 t
Lift Equipment:                                       3.5 t
Turret:                                               1 t

Armor: 136 pts Standard                               8.5 t

                      IS      Armor
  Front                4        37
  Left Side            4        27
  Right Side           4        27
  Rear                 4        18
  Turret               4        27


Equipment:

4 Medium Lasers (Turret)                              4 t
SRM 4 (Turret)                                        2 t
@SRM 4 (25, Body)                                     1 t
                                                   --------
                                                      7 t
                                                   ========
                                                     35 t

BV: 893
Cost (unloaded): 1,301,633 C-bills

About the only reason I didn't write the rules level down as "introductory" is that I'm reasonably sure the intro-level rules don't actually cover vehicles. If I should be wrong about that, somebody let me know. :)

Sabelkatten · « **Reply #3 on:** 25 July 2012, 03:40:06 »

Had to ditch one ML and 40% of the armor, but... :)

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Archer 

Mass: 70 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/C-E-D
Production Year: 0
Cost: 3 850 083 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1 105

Power Plant:  280 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 43,2 km/h
Flanking Speed: 64,8 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    2  LRM-20s
    3  Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: 
    Primary Factory: 
Communications System: 
Targeting and Tracking System: 

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      35 points                7,00
Engine:             Fusion Engine                280                      24,00
    Cruise MP:  4
    Flank MP:   6
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0,00
Control Equipment:                                                         3,50
Lift Equipment:                                                            0,00
Turret:                                                                    0,50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 128                  8,00

                                                      Armor      
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     36        
                                          Left/Right   26/26        
                                              Turret     20        
                                                Rear     20        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 LRM-20s                                    FR        12        2        20,00
3 Medium Lasers                              T         9         3         3,00
@LRM-20 (24)                                 BD        -         0         4,00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      4    Points: 11
4          1       1       0       0      3     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: LRM 1/2/2, IF 2

Andras · « **Reply #4 on:** 25 July 2012, 17:36:01 »

Tracked Atlas

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Atlas AT-LS

Mass: 100 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/X-E-D
Production Year: 3025
Cost: 6,257,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,582

Power Plant:  300 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 32.4 km/h
Flanking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  LRM-20
    1  Autocannon/20
    1  SRM-6
    2  Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: 
    Primary Factory: 
Communications System: 
Targeting and Tracking System: 

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      50 points               10.00
Engine:             Fusion Engine                300                      28.50
    Cruise MP:  3
    Flank MP:   5
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         5.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    2.00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 296                 18.50

                                                      Armor      
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     70        
                                          Left/Right   60/60        
                                              Turret     60        
                                                Rear     46        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 Medium Lasers                              FR        6         2         2.00
LRM-20                                       FR        6         1        10.00
Autocannon/20                                T         7         1        14.00
SRM-6                                        T         4         1         3.00
@AC/20 (15)                                  BD        -         0         3.00
@LRM-20 (18)                                 BD        -         0         3.00
@SRM-6 (15)                                  BD        -         0         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:     10    Points: 16
3          2       2       1       0      4     0   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: AC 1/1/0, IF 1

Feign · « **Reply #5 on:** 26 July 2012, 21:09:40 »

Quote from: Andras on 25 July 2012, 17:36:01

Tracked Atlas

Oh, I see some great potential here! Heck, actually have the torso of an AS7-D welded onto the turret ring of a vehicle frame. With most of the engine compartment and cockpit and such pretty much hollow. Inspire some shock and awe on a budget when the enemy sees it moving around out behind a hill. >:D

CloaknDagger · « **Reply #6 on:** 26 July 2012, 21:20:03 »

Quote from: Feign on 26 July 2012, 21:09:40

Oh, I see some great potential here! Heck, actually have the torso of an AS7-D welded onto the turret ring of a vehicle frame. With most of the engine compartment and cockpit and such pretty much hollow. Inspire some shock and awe on a budget when the enemy sees it moving around out behind a hill. >:D

Be careful what you wish for.

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Tracklas 

Mass: 100 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Quad
Rules Level: Era Specific
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E
Production Year: 2750
Cost: 10,400,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,012

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 300 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 32.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54.0 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  LB 20-X AC
    1  LRM-20
    1  SRM-6
    2  Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                     160 points               10.00
Engine:             Fusion Engine                300                      19.00
    Walking MP: 3
    Running MP: 5
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: H+UL+LL+F    R: H+UL+LL+F
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 320                 20.00

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     31           48        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  13        
                                           L/R Torso     21           31        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  11        
                                       L/R Front Leg     21           41        
                                        L/R Rear Leg     21           42        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LB 20-X AC                                   RT        6         11       14.00
LRM-20                                       LT        6         5        10.00
SRM-6                                        LT        4         2         3.00
2 Medium Lasers                              CT        6         2         2.00
@LB 20-X (Slug) (5)                          RT        -         1         1.00
@SRM-6 (15)                                  LT        -         1         1.00
@LRM-20 (12)                                 LT        -         2         2.00
@LB 20-X (Cluster) (10)                      LT        -         2         2.00
Tracks                                       *         -         4        10.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 5

* Tracks occupy 1 slot in every leg location.

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:     11    Points: 20
3          3       3       0       0      4     0   Structure:  8
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, LRM 1/1/1, IF 1, FLK 1/1/0

SCC · « **Reply #7 on:** 28 July 2012, 02:11:52 »

Did something like this a while back: http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,14301.0.html
I think half a ton of armor is worth it to put the AC20 in a turret, never mind the massive drop in production cost or the transport weight drop
Will try and have Locust and Atlas ones up soon
The key to doing this right is to use non-flash bulbs

A. Lurker · « **Reply #8 on:** 28 July 2012, 07:10:00 »

Here's another early design of mine:

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Model: Crusader-T Heavy Tank
Type: Combat Vehicle
Technology Base: Inner Sphere
Rules Level: Standard

Mass: 65 tons
Motive Type: Tracked
Internal Structure: Standard                          6.5 t
Engine: 195 Standard Fusion (Vehicle)                12 t
  Cruise MP: 3
  Flank MP: 5
Heat Sinks: 10 Single                                  --
Control Equipment:                                    3.5 t
Turret:                                               2.5 t

Armor: 224 pts Standard                              14 t

                      IS      Armor
  Front                7        52
  Left Side            7        46
  Right Side           7        46
  Rear                 7        32
  Turret               7        48


Equipment:

2 LRM 15 (Turret)                                    14 t
2 Medium Lasers (Turret)                              2 t
2 SRM 6 (Turret)                                      6 t
2 Machine Guns (Turret)                               1 t
@LRM 15 (16, Body)                                    2 t
@SRM 6 (15, Body)                                     1 t
@Machine Gun (100, Body)                              0.5 t
                                                   --------
                                                     26.5 t
                                                   ========
                                                     65 t

BV: 1,228
Cost (unloaded): 2,800,875 C-bills

Looking back, there's room for improvement -- like maybe dropping a ton of armor for more ammunition, and/or tweaking said armor's distribution some more in any case --, but it does nicely demonstrate that you can in fact basically put a Crusader's full armament on a tank no heavier than the 'Mech itself, if at the cost of some speed.

Andras · « **Reply #9 on:** 28 July 2012, 08:56:17 »

Quote from: A. Lurker on 28 July 2012, 07:10:00

Here's another early design of mine:

...
Looking back, there's room for improvement -- like maybe dropping a ton of armor for more ammunition, and/or tweaking said armor's distribution some more in any case --, but it does nicely demonstrate that you can in fact basically put a Crusader's full armament on a tank no heavier than the 'Mech itself, if at the cost of some speed.

Nice, I like it! How about moving the LRM15s to the front? That will free up 1.5tons for ammo and armor.

A. Lurker · « **Reply #10 on:** 28 July 2012, 09:23:48 »

Quote from: Andras on 28 July 2012, 08:56:17

Nice, I like it! How about moving the LRM15s to the front? That will free up 1.5tons for ammo and armor.

Honestly hadn't considered it, but it's an option. If I'm going to front-mount anything (other than a small point-defense gun for tradition's sake, that is), it may as well be the long-range part of my arsenal -- it's only at shorter ranges that the turret's ability to compensate for attempts to outmaneuver me suddenly becomes vital, and LRMs in particular start to suffer at those distances anyway. I'd probably invest the difference in another ton of ammo -- either LRMs for better fire support or else SRMs for the inferno option -- and eight more points of armor reinforcing the front.

Sabelkatten · « **Reply #11 on:** 28 July 2012, 12:15:36 »

Nah, it's the SRMs that are front (leg ) mounted! ;)

Sartris · « **Reply #12 on:** 28 July 2012, 12:39:02 »

Orion Mass: 75 tons Tech Base: Inner Sphere Motive Type: Wheeled Rules Level: Tournament Legal Era: All Eras (non-canon) Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/C-E-D Production Year: 0 Cost: 3,184,250 C-Bills Battle Value: 1,019 Power Plant: 280 Fusion Engine Cruise Speed: 43.2 km/h Flanking Speed: 64.8 km/h Armor: Standard Armor Armament: 1 LRM-15 1 Autocannon/10 2 Medium Lasers 1 SRM-4 Manufacturer: Primary Factory: Communications System: Targeting and Tracking System: ================================================================================ Equipment Type Rating Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Structure: Standard 40 points 7.50 Engine: Fusion Engine 280 24.00 Cruise MP: 4 Flank MP: 6 Heat Sinks: Single Heat Sink 10 0.00 Control Equipment: 4.00 Lift Equipment: 0.00 Turret: 2.00 Armor: Standard Armor AV - 184 11.50 Armor Factor Front 45 Left/Right 36/36 Turret 37 Rear 30 ================================================================================ Equipment Location Heat Spaces Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SRM-4 FR 3 1 2.00 2 Medium Lasers FR 6 2 2.00 LRM-15 T 5 1 7.00 Autocannon/10 T 3 1 12.00 @AC/10 (10) BD - 0 1.00 @LRM-15 (8) BD - 0 1.00 @SRM-4 (25) BD - 0 1.00 BattleForce Statistics MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 6 Points: 10 4 3 3 1 0 3 0 Structure: 4 Special Abilities:

Dread Moores · « **Reply #13 on:** 28 July 2012, 13:53:07 »

Quote from: A. Lurker on 25 July 2012, 02:22:59

About the only reason I didn't write the rules level down as "introductory" is that I'm reasonably sure the intro-level rules don't actually cover vehicles. If I should be wrong about that, somebody let me know. :)

Officially, no. However, Tech Base isn't the same as rules level. Total Chaos and other publications make it clear that you have "Introductory" tech vehicles, which have different costs and needs than Tournament/Standard tech vehicles.

Yeah, it's a bit misleading. :)

A. Lurker · « **Reply #14 on:** 28 July 2012, 14:26:05 »

Quote from: Dread Moores on 28 July 2012, 13:53:07

Officially, no. However, Tech Base isn't the same as rules level. Total Chaos and other publications make it clear that you have "Introductory" tech vehicles, which have different costs and needs than Tournament/Standard tech vehicles.

Yeah, it's a bit misleading. :)

Well, "tech base" to my understanding to date is simply either Inner Sphere or Clan. The rules level then governs (among other things) how much of that base's tech you actually have access to. Things like your force's "Tech Rating", if I read the Chaos Campaign PDF right, are then something else altogether...and not necessarily related to the "Tech Rating" the TechManual construction rules would assign to each of your units in turn, either.

So...yeah, it gets just a tad confusing. ;)

Dread Moores · « **Reply #15 on:** 28 July 2012, 19:19:52 »

Quote from: A. Lurker on 28 July 2012, 14:26:05

Things like your force's "Tech Rating", if I read the Chaos Campaign PDF right, are then something else altogether...and not necessarily related to the "Tech Rating" the TechManual construction rules would assign to each of your units in turn, either.

Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about though. If you want to purchase a new vehicle, you have to first figure out if it is a Tournament/Standard rules vehicle, or Introductory. The costs for purchasing such a unit are different, depending on the...well, I don't rightly know what to call it. Tech Thingie?! :)

So you can have "Introductory" vehicles. They just can't be used with the Introductory boxed set. ;D

Sartris · « **Reply #16 on:** 28 July 2012, 20:06:36 »

Reprint CityTech!

Edit: not reprint, revise. CityTech wasn't an intro-level product... at least 2nd ed with clan mechs....

SCC · « **Reply #17 on:** 29 July 2012, 00:21:21 »

Okay the other two designs I mentioned earlier, this first one shows you why a Locust is a bad design, this has the same specs but is 1/5 the price and 1/3 the transport weight, so you can easily carry 3 of these for a single Locust, thus if you lose one it's not as big a hit, you still have more scouts and it costs less to replace plus it's harder to mission kill

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Cricket LiC-1A

Mass: 20 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Hovercraft
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/C-C-C
Production Year: 0
Cost: 341,900 C-Bills
Battle Value: 298

Power Plant:  75 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 86.4 km/h
Flanking Speed: 129.6 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Medium Laser
    2  Machine Guns
Manufacturer: 
    Primary Factory: 
Communications System: 
Targeting and Tracking System: 

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      10 points                2.00
Engine:             I.C.E. Engine                 75                       4.00
    Cruise MP:  8
    Flank MP:   12
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             3                         3.00
Control Equipment:                                                         1.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            2.00
Power Amplifiers:                                                          0.50
Turret:                                                                    0.50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  64                  4.00

                                                      Armor      
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     15        
                                          Left/Right   12/12        
                                              Turret     15        
                                                Rear     10        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 Machine Guns                               T         0         2         1.00
Medium Laser                                 T         3         1         1.00
@MG (200)                                    BD        -         0         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      2    Points: 3
8          1       1       0       0      1     0   Structure:  1
Special Abilities: EE

My Atlas as a tank

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Ackey AiC-1A

Mass: 100 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/D-E-D
Production Year: 0
Cost: 6,720,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,608

Power Plant:  300 Fusion Engine
Cruise Speed: 32.4 km/h
Flanking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  LRM-20
    1  Autocannon/20
    1  SRM-6
    4  Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: 
    Primary Factory: 
Communications System: 
Targeting and Tracking System: 

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      50 points               10.00
Engine:             Fusion Engine                300                      28.50
    Cruise MP:  3
    Flank MP:   5
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             12                        2.00
Control Equipment:                                                         5.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    0.50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 288                 18.00

                                                      Armor      
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     70        
                                          Left/Right   57/57        
                                              Turret     58        
                                                Rear     46        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Autocannon/20                                FR        7         1        14.00
SRM-6                                        FR        4         1         3.00
LRM-20                                       FR        6         1        10.00
4 Medium Lasers                              T         12        4         4.00
@AC/20 (10)                                  BD        -         0         2.00
@LRM-20 (12)                                 BD        -         0         2.00
@SRM-6 (15)                                  BD        -         0         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:     10    Points: 16
3          2       2       1       0      4     0   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: AC 1/1/0, IF 1

A. Lurker · « **Reply #18 on:** 29 July 2012, 00:26:10 »

Quote from: Dread Moores on 28 July 2012, 19:19:52

Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about though. If you want to purchase a new vehicle, you have to first figure out if it is a Tournament/Standard rules vehicle, or Introductory. The costs for purchasing such a unit are different, depending on the...well, I don't rightly know what to call it. Tech Thingie?! :)

So you can have "Introductory" vehicles. They just can't be used with the Introductory boxed set. ;D

Hmmm...would that mean I could also have "introductory" battle armor? After all, there are some suits around that nominally only use intro-level weaponry... :D

Really, though, I wouldn't quite know how to list that sort of thing. If the intro-level rules don't cover a particular unit type, I can't then very well note said units' "rules level" as introductory, and apparently we don't actually have another convenient shorthand for what we mean here -- if one wants to be strict about it, then technically "intro-level" vehicles do in fact use equipment that's not in the intro box, it's just in the form of integral components (like motive system, controls, and turrets) that kind of sneak in under the radar until they're suddenly supposed to take critical hits or something...which only Total Warfare tells you how to handle. ;)

Dread Moores · « **Reply #19 on:** 29 July 2012, 20:00:16 »

Quote from: A. Lurker on 29 July 2012, 00:26:10

Hmmm...would that mean I could also have "introductory" battle armor? After all, there are some suits around that nominally only use intro-level weaponry... :D

Really, though, I wouldn't quite know how to list that sort of thing. If the intro-level rules don't cover a particular unit type, I can't then very well note said units' "rules level" as introductory, and apparently we don't actually have another convenient shorthand for what we mean here -- if one wants to be strict about it, then technically "intro-level" vehicles do in fact use equipment that's not in the intro box, it's just in the form of integral components (like motive system, controls, and turrets) that kind of sneak in under the radar until they're suddenly supposed to take critical hits or something...which only Total Warfare tells you how to handle. ;)

You hit it in a nutshell. It's one of my issues with the way that units are classified. I always thought Introductory/Standard (or Tournament)/Advanced/Experimental seemed simple. It isn't though, as they have since complicated it. Your BA point is a solid one, and one I've wondered about myself. It's interesting that MegaMek seems to use the whole "Introductory" vehicle thing as well. Perhaps this would have been a whole lot easier if they had called the boxed set a "Starter" box set. :)

Had rules level simply been techbase (Intro/Standard/etc), it would be a whole lot easier. Although, that would lead to interesting questions about Clan "Introductory." :D