Author Topic: Missile Carrier (Read 2292 times)

Luxan · « **on:** 02 August 2019, 15:22:29 »

Missile Carrier Mass: 60 tons Tech Base: Inner Sphere Motive Type: Tracked OmniVehicle Rules Level: Advanced Rules Era: Clan Invasion Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A Production Year: 3078 Cost: 1,522,000 C-Bills Battle Value: 319 Power Plant: GM 180 Fuel Cell Engine Cruise Speed: 32.4 km/h Flanking Speed: 54.0 km/h Armor: StarSlab-1 Ferro-Fibrous Armament: 34.0 tons of pod space. Manufacturer: Aldis Industries Primary Factory: Terra Communications System: Basix 220 Targeting and Tracking System: Aldis TTS 7 Overview: Developed for the Republic of the Sphere alongside the Kinnol MBT, the Missile Carrier was an attempt to create a flexible missile platform capable of filling both fire support and ambush roles. Built as an evolution of the ages old LRM and SRM Carriers, it had the effect of simplifying the logistics for producing such vehicles. The Republic of the Sphere made good use of the new Missile Carriers, but attempts to sell it to the Capellan Confederation had mixed results. The Capellans were ultimately unwilling to pay the increased cost for vehicles that still incurred a high casualty rate. Capabilities: One of the primary weaknesses of the original carriers, particularly with the SRM carrier, was the fixed forward firing arc of the missile racks. The Word of Blake was the first to deploy an SRM carrier that housed the racks in a turret, greatly increasing it's ability to ambush targets no matter which way they approached. The Missile Carrier follows suit with a configurable turret that can accomadate up to 30 tons of missile launchers. The turret housing is also useful when the Missile Carrier is configured for a fire support role, allowing the vehicle to go hull-down in built up terrain, protecting the body of the vehicle while still being able to track targets. The turret, and the CASE-protected ammunition bay beneath it, are also fully modular components. The entire assembly can be removed and replaced with another in a matter of hours, allowing Missile Carriers to be deployed in whatever mission role circumstances may dictate.The turret is also the most heavily armored part of the Missile Carrier. And while armor protection on the body of the vehicle is also better than the original carriers, the Missile Carrier remains relatively frail. It is also not any faster than it's predecessors, though a GM Fuel Cell engine frees up the mass required for the modular turret housing. The eight standard turret configurations are each centered around a single missile system, carrying 60 LRM tubes, 60 SRM tubes, 50 MML tubes, 100 MRM tubs, two Arrow IV launchers, two Thunderbolt-20 launchers, 24 Mortar launchers, or 35 Extended LRM tubes, respectively. The last configuration also incorporates a C3 Slave Computer to provide supporting fire from a safe distance as part of a C3 network. ================================================================================ Equipment Type Rating Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Structure: Standard 30 points 6.00 Engine: Fuel-Cell Engine 180 8.50 Cruise MP: 3 Flank MP: 5 Heat Sinks: Single Heat Sink 1 0.00 Control Equipment: 3.00 Lift Equipment: 0.00 Turret: 3.00 Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 89 5.00 Armor Factor Front 18 Left/Right 16/16 Turret 25 Rear 14 ================================================================================ Equipment Location Heat Spaces Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CASE BD - 1 0.50 BattleForce Statistics MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 3 Points: 3 3t 0 0 0 0 3 0 Structure: 3 Special Abilities: OMNI, ENE, EE, TUR() ================================================================================ Loadout Name: LRM Cost: 2,922,000 Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A BV2: 965 Equipment Type Rating Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Equipment Location Heat Spaces Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4 LRM-15s T 20 4 28.00 CASE BD - 1 0.50 @LRM-15 (48) BD - 0 6.00 BattleForce Statistics MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 3 Points: 10 3t 2 4 4 0 3 0 Structure: 3 Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, EE, TUR(2/4/4, LRM 2/4/4, IF 2/4/4), LRM 2/4/4, IF 4 ================================================================================ Loadout Name: SRM Cost: 3,122,000 Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A BV2: 937 Equipment Type Rating Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Equipment Location Heat Spaces Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10 SRM-6s T 40 10 30.00 CASE BD - 1 0.50 @SRM-6 (60) BD - 0 4.00 BattleForce Statistics MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 3 Points: 9 3t 6 6 0 0 3 0 Structure: 3 Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, EE, TUR(6/6/0, SRM 6/6/0), SRM 6/6/0 ================================================================================ Loadout Name: MML Cost: 3,022,000 Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A BV2: 793 Equipment Type Rating Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Equipment Location Heat Spaces Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10 MML-5s T 30 10 30.00 CASE BD - 1 0.50 @MML-5 (LRM) (24) BD - 0 1.00 @MML-5 (SRM) (60) BD - 0 3.00 BattleForce Statistics MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 3 Points: 8 3t 5 4 3 0 3 0 Structure: 3 Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, EE, TUR(5/4/3, SRM 5/3/2, LRM 5/3/2, IF 5/3/2), SRM 5/2/0, LRM 0/2/2, IF 2 ================================================================================ Loadout Name: MRM Cost: 3,122,000 Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A BV2: 970 Equipment Type Rating Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Equipment Location Heat Spaces Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 MRM-40s T 24 2 24.00 2 MRM-10s T 8 2 6.00 CASE BD - 1 0.50 @MRM-10 (24) BD - 0 1.00 @MRM-40 (18) BD - 0 3.00 BattleForce Statistics MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 3 Points: 10 3t 5 5 0 0 3 0 Structure: 3 Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, EE, TUR(5/5/0) ================================================================================ Loadout Name: Arrow Cost: 3,322,000 Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A BV2: 919 Equipment Type Rating Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Equipment Location Heat Spaces Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 Arrow IV Missiles T 20 2 30.00 CASE BD - 1 0.50 @Arrow IV (Cluster) (20) BD - 0 4.00 BattleForce Statistics MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 3 Points: 9 3t 4 0 0 0 3 0 Structure: 3 Special Abilities: OMNI, ARTAIS, CASE, EE, TUR(4/0/0) ================================================================================ Loadout Name: Mortar Cost: 1,942,000 Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A BV2: 493 Equipment Type Rating Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Equipment Location Heat Spaces Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 Mech Mortar 8s T 30 3 30.00 CASE BD - 1 0.50 @Mortar 8 (Armor Piercing) (16) BD - 0 4.00 BattleForce Statistics MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 3 Points: 5 3t 1 2 2 0 3 0 Structure: 3 Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, EE, TUR(1/2/2, IF 1/2/2), IF 2 ================================================================================ Loadout Name: Thunderbolt Cost: 3,322,000 Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-F-A BV2: 1,081 Equipment Type Rating Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Equipment Location Heat Spaces Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 Thunderbolt-20s T 16 2 30.00 CASE BD - 1 0.50 @Thunderbolt-20 (12) BD - 0 4.00 BattleForce Statistics MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 3 Points: 11 3t 2 3 3 0 3 0 Structure: 3 Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, EE, TUR(2/3/3, IF 2/3/3), IF 3 ================================================================================ Loadout Name: ELRM Cost: 3,522,000 Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-F-A BV2: 886 Rules Level: Experimental Tech Equipment Type Rating Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Equipment Location Heat Spaces Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Extended LRM-15 T 8 1 12.00 2 Extended LRM-10s T 12 2 16.00 CASE BD - 1 0.50 C3 Computer (Slave) BD 0 1 1.00 @ELRM-15 (12) BD - 0 2.00 @ELRM-10 (27) BD - 0 3.00 BattleForce Statistics MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 3 Points: 9 3t 2 3 3 0 3 0 Structure: 3 Special Abilities: OMNI, CASE, C3S, EE, TUR(2/3/3, IF 1/2/2), IF 2

idea weenie · « **Reply #1 on:** 03 August 2019, 11:07:33 »

Very nice setup

Normally I whine about vehicles being over 50 tons and not close to 100 tons (to take advantage of Vehicle Bay limitations), but the designs you have are quite good.

The only two tweaks I would make are:
MRM - drop the MRM-10s, and bring a total of 10 tons of MRM-40 ammo. 30 turns of fire, 80 MRMs at a time, and only keep track of one type of ammo. But that does drop its per-turn firepower by 20%
ELRM - change to a pair of ELRM-15, and free up 7 tons for extra ammo for the ELRM-15s. Total 9 tons, 54 shots, or 27 turns of ELRMs raining on an opponent. Drops per-turn firepower by ~14% though

Very nice concept, likely built on a planet and shipped as cargo to militia units so it uses cargo size for shipping, instead of needing a full size vehicle bay. Good competition to Quikcell too.

Dave Talley · « **Reply #2 on:** 03 August 2019, 13:36:48 »

a common field mod i forsee is to simply add a C3 pod in place of one ton of ammo for forces that are equipped with C3, the extra shots you lose should be replaced by a better number actually hitting because of the C3 triangulation

Luxan · « **Reply #3 on:** 04 August 2019, 00:21:22 »

Quote from: idea weenie on 03 August 2019, 11:07:33

The only two tweaks I would make are:
MRM - drop the MRM-10s, and bring a total of 10 tons of MRM-40 ammo. 30 turns of fire, 80 MRMs at a time, and only keep track of one type of ammo. But that does drop its per-turn firepower by 20%
ELRM - change to a pair of ELRM-15, and free up 7 tons for extra ammo for the ELRM-15s. Total 9 tons, 54 shots, or 27 turns of ELRMs raining on an opponent. Drops per-turn firepower by ~14% though

I can see the argument for the ELRM change, as it could conceivably remain far enough away to actually use all of that ammo. But the MRM configuration is still fundamentally an ambusher like the SRM Carriers of old. The MRMs have a bit more range in case the enemy tries to run away, but it's spray and pray at that point. Ultimately, it wants to be up close where it's most effective and thus won't survive long. Certainly not 30 turns. Even the 9 turns of continuous fire I've given it is doubtful. If it can't kill it's target in 2 turns it's game over. Here missiles in the air are much more valuable than missiles stuck in the ammo bin.

Speedbump · « **Reply #4 on:** 04 August 2019, 12:23:15 »

Quote from: Luxan on 04 August 2019, 00:21:22

I can see the argument for the ELRM change, as it could conceivably remain far enough away to actually use all of that ammo. But the MRM configuration is still fundamentally an ambusher like the SRM Carriers of old. The MRMs have a bit more range in case the enemy tries to run away, but it's spray and pray at that point. Ultimately, it wants to be up close where it's most effective and thus won't survive long. Certainly not 30 turns. Even the 9 turns of continuous fire I've given it is doubtful. If it can't kill it's target in 2 turns it's game over. Here missiles in the air are much more valuable than missiles stuck in the ammo bin.

I agree. In fact I'd be tempted to go the other way. Trade the MRM10s for Rocket Launchers.(10 RL10s + 2 RL15s will fit) The more favourable range bands and the instantaneous firepower at an opportune moment my well be more valuable that a greater final throw weight if you can fire for 7 turns.

Luxan · « **Reply #5 on:** 04 August 2019, 20:27:37 »

Quote from: Speedbump on 04 August 2019, 12:23:15

I agree. In fact I'd be tempted to go the other way. Trade the MRM10s for Rocket Launchers.(10 RL10s + 2 RL15s will fit) The more favourable range bands and the instantaneous firepower at an opportune moment my well be more valuable that a greater final throw weight if you can fire for 7 turns.

Hmm, I calculate only 11 spaces left for RLs after removing the MRM-10s and ammo. But still, you could do 8 RL-10s and 3 RL-15s. That's still 205 missiles/rockets in the air with the first volley!

Author Topic: Missile Carrier (Read 2292 times)

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