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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #90 on: 17 October 2022, 15:38:40 »
This cannot be repeated enough. Mechinf do not ever use SSVs. They use *part of mechinf*. SSVs and *part of mechinf*  may be the same thing in-universe, but we're not in the universe, we're gamers playing a game, and the rules of that game require us to treat them as two different radically different things. Emphasis is on "require" - this distinction is not optional.

I'd still like to see a lot of those types of designs fleshed out, and have this statement, parsed if needed, at the beginning of the TRO and end ... or maybe even as a page header of footer.

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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #91 on: 17 October 2022, 15:43:35 »
I'm confused. Those designs are exactly what this thread covered.

No matter how you do it, the SSV and the mechinf platoon will always behave differently. If they didn't, there'd be zero point in publishing one or the other.
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #92 on: 17 October 2022, 15:46:58 »
Yep. Mechanized Infantry are just an abstraction of Infantry + Small Support Vehicle. One of many necessary evils for running infantry at scale under TW rules.

In A Time of War and MechWarrior: Destiny, you would represent Mechanized Infantry as a Small Support Vehicle + Infantry by default, with Small Support Vehicles having slightly different rules for armor and such that makes playing them a bit more in-depth, not to mention the drastic improvement to infantry mechanics.
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #93 on: 17 October 2022, 18:52:51 »
I'm confused. Those designs are exactly what this thread covered.

No matter how you do it, the SSV and the mechinf platoon will always behave differently. If they didn't, there'd be zero point in publishing one or the other.

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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #94 on: 18 October 2022, 02:13:04 »
This cannot be repeated enough. Mechinf do not ever use SSVs. They use *part of mechinf*. SSVs and *part of mechinf*  may be the same thing in-universe, but we're not in the universe, we're gamers playing a game, and the rules of that game require us to treat them as two different radically different things. Emphasis is on "require" - this distinction is not optional.


Exactly. Which is why SSVs can't operate out of Infantry Bays.



Yep. Mechanized Infantry are just an abstraction of Infantry + Small Support Vehicle. One of many necessary evils for running infantry at scale under TW rules.

In A Time of War and MechWarrior: Destiny, you would represent Mechanized Infantry as a Small Support Vehicle + Infantry by default, with Small Support Vehicles having slightly different rules for armor and such that makes playing them a bit more in-depth, not to mention the drastic improvement to infantry mechanics.

Looking at Battle Armor and ProtoMechs, I don't believe Mech/Motor Infantry need to be that abstracted.

Infantry in the RPG are vastly better to TW, which I find frustrating. I get some of the abstraction but the RPG ends up being a different universe because of how things function. I still love SSVs in TW though.


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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #95 on: 19 October 2022, 16:15:22 »
In TW the mechs are the stars. In RPG-land, it's possible for infantry PCs to be the stars.

I'm sorry, I don't want infantry to be the stars in the game about giant robots. In fact, my vote would be to go back to pre-maxtech rules for infantry.


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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #96 on: 19 October 2022, 18:54:59 »
I'm a huge fan of infantry, but at the TW level I can only cringe at the fact that Flamers exist.  'Mechs that don't have anti-infantry weapons SHOULD be punished...  ^-^

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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #97 on: 20 October 2022, 01:23:15 »
In TW the mechs are the stars. In RPG-land, it's possible for infantry PCs to be the stars.

I'm sorry, I don't want infantry to be the stars in the game about giant robots. In fact, my vote would be to go back to pre-maxtech rules for infantry.


The stars of a RPG should be the player characters. I'm fine with them being infantry.  To me that isn't a problem The problem is that infantry and SSVs are so much more powerful in the RPG than they are in TW. Add in other issues and you get two very similar yet different universes.

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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #98 on: 20 October 2022, 07:51:06 »
Please take the TW vs RPG stuff elsewhere, thank you.
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