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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #30 on: 27 April 2018, 12:27:57 »
Oh, they've traumatized a LOT of fans. My wife and I couldn't say anything of substance for hours after seeing it, and she already wants to go watch Ready Player One again tonight, just so that Infinity War isn't her most recent movie experience

I think this is the death of Optimus Prime all over again, just with a wider audience. Probably just as intentional, and in many cases, probably the exact same people.
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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #31 on: 27 April 2018, 13:41:34 »
Ten years of Marvel films: "Weak villains and no real danger to the heroes."
Infinity War: "Hold my beer."

Also is it wrong to want to go see this movie just to yell out OH SNAP when it happens?  Or would that get me run out of the theater...
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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #32 on: 27 April 2018, 14:51:32 »
Ten years of Marvel films: "Weak villains and no real danger to the heroes."
Infinity War: "Hold my beer."

Also is it wrong to want to go see this movie just to yell out OH SNAP when it happens?  Or would that get me run out of the theater...

There would probably be a murder :P
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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #33 on: 27 April 2018, 14:57:02 »
Oh, they've traumatized a LOT of fans. My wife and I couldn't say anything of substance for hours after seeing it, and she already wants to go watch Ready Player One again tonight, just so that Infinity War isn't her most recent movie experience

I think this is the death of Optimus Prime all over again, just with a wider audience. Probably just as intentional, and in many cases, probably the exact same people.

Honestly I'm glad. It means movie makers can expand the breadth of their emotional toolbox. Sometimes even blockbusters can be tragedies that leave the moviegoer in shock.

I think our circle was emotionally detached enough that we were talking about it for a good long while afterward. It helps that we all saw the obviousness in not leaving everyone d-e-d ded, especially as we discussed what Dr. Strange saw in his survey of future paths and why he just handed the stone over. The audience's trauma was... valuable. It was good. It means people are alive and care. It means it's not trite victories any more. Once they get over the shock, they'll be so much more invested in the story to come.
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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #34 on: 27 April 2018, 15:54:01 »
Remember the days when studios weren't beholden to announce a roadmap of what was coming out?  That really robs much of the impact, especially when sequels are announced before your big tentpole.

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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #35 on: 27 April 2018, 16:46:24 »
Thanos finally a bad guy that is a threat, he was before and now it's coming true.
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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #36 on: 27 April 2018, 22:21:35 »
Saw it today.

Overall it has left me in a weird place.

I liked the Doctor Strange and Tony Stark banter.

Agreed it was probably a bit much cast for one movie.

Maybe I've also reached critical mass on super hero movies because while I can't really point to anything I didn't like about it it also didn't wow me either.

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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #37 on: 27 April 2018, 22:34:42 »
The only thing I really have against it is having to wait until next year to see how Marvel gets themselves out of the corner they just painted themselves into...

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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #38 on: 27 April 2018, 23:06:54 »
... the corner they just painted themselves into...

Oh? I've gotta hear this.
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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #39 on: 27 April 2018, 23:15:43 »
It's going to take a deus ex machina to enable all the alleged sequels they have on the calendar, and they removed all the ones we know about (Strange, Scarlet Witch, Vision...).

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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #40 on: 27 April 2018, 23:38:01 »
Honestly I'm glad. It means movie makers can expand the breadth of their emotional toolbox. Sometimes even blockbusters can be tragedies that leave the moviegoer in shock.

I think our circle was emotionally detached enough that we were talking about it for a good long while afterward. It helps that we all saw the obviousness in not leaving everyone d-e-d ded, especially as we discussed what Dr. Strange saw in his survey of future paths and why he just handed the stone over. The audience's trauma was... valuable. It was good. It means people are alive and care. It means it's not trite victories any more. Once they get over the shock, they'll be so much more invested in the story to come.

Very true.  Plus when the heroes inevitably WIN in the end, it will have much more of an impact..

It's going to take a deus ex machina to enable all the alleged sequels they have on the calendar, and they removed all the ones we know about (Strange, Scarlet Witch, Vision...).

What??  When did they remove Strange 2 from the calender?
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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #41 on: 27 April 2018, 23:47:49 »
It's going to take a deus ex machina to enable all the alleged sequels they have on the calendar, and they removed all the ones we know about (Strange, Scarlet Witch, Vision...).

You mean a deus ex machine gun like the Infinity Stones, which it's reasonable to assume they have to get away from Thanos in Part II?

Not sure if it's a deus ex machina if the maguffins in question have been the focus of a fair chunk of the MCU thus far...
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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #42 on: 28 April 2018, 00:02:09 »
Let alone ALREADY USED.  Or are people complaining that the snap itself is a DeM now?
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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #43 on: 28 April 2018, 00:25:44 »
Macguffinite of that caliber is definitely in deus ex machina territory...

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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #44 on: 28 April 2018, 00:35:39 »
They could do a time travel thingy, like in that Days of Future Past X-Men movie where Wolverine goes back in time, but doesn't really do anything.  ;D

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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #45 on: 28 April 2018, 01:14:32 »
Thanos resurrected and killed Vision minutes before he did his mass annihilation.  Does anyone actually think that any of the characters who got killed in this movie are going to stay dead?  They couldn't have waved that Chekov's Gun any harder.

My big beef with the film is that it's too long.  They really should have split it into two films and added some more non-fighting scenes.  As it was, at nearly three hours it got boring by the end- one fight scene bled into the next and it was just a touch obvious how it was going to turn out.

I'm probably being too harsh: it was my cousin's birthday today and he decided to rent the theater and invite friends and family.  Unfortunately, he and several of his friends had a few drinks before the show and consequently were loud and annoying.  I'm pretty sure that colored my perception of the film.
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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #46 on: 28 April 2018, 05:34:43 »
The AC at the theater I went to wasn't fixed until the end credits.  There were several people who let the management have it afterward, so I didn't feel compelled to say anything.

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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #47 on: 28 April 2018, 16:00:16 »
Caught it today...not bad...Really liked the Iron Spider suit and virtually all the scenes with Thor (especially his entrance to the battle on Earth)...

Had a few too many talkative kids in the theater though...

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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #48 on: 28 April 2018, 20:00:49 »
Saw it this afternoon.  Still processing.  Pleasantly surprised, overall.  Cast was definitely bloated, but the back-and-forth was very well done.  Loved the proper cosmic scale of Thor, loved Doctor Strange, happy to be back in Wakanda even though we were just there, REALLY need to see Spiderman Homecoming now.

More than anything, I was really wondering how they were going to do the 'almost yanked the glove off' scene without Adam Warlock and Silver Surfer.  I like this version of it better.
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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #49 on: 28 April 2018, 21:12:57 »
Something I've heard some reviews bashing on and that's Star-Lord losing it over 'aw he killed mah girlfriend' and going nuts on Thanos.  They need to consider the past few movies and just what Star-Lord's been through.  When he was a kid, his mother died and he was abducted - no connection to anyone, completely alone as a literal stranger in a strange land.  Learned to fend for himself, and only himself.  Always wondered who his father was - finally MEETS his father.  Finds out his father murdered his mother.  Kills off his own father - and loses his daddy in the process.  All this time he's had nothing but one-night stands at most with people, remember "oh wow I forgot you were here" at all?

Now he's finally, after years, made progress with Gamora, and he's opened up to someone - and just like before, this hyper-powered jackwagon with delusions of godhood and knowing what's best for all life in the universe?  Kills her.

I don't blame him, and I'd have loaned him ammo for going after Thanos at that point.  Everything he'd lost, all at once, in GotG2, and then eventually opened up again, only to have it cut off before it can go further?  He's not a well-developed, thoughtful, slow-burn kinda guy.  He's wearing his heart on his sleeve and Thanos just stabbed it.
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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #50 on: 28 April 2018, 23:50:40 »
Star Lord losing it made total sense to me too.  The only thing that didn't make much sense was not cutting off Thanos' arm.  Strange (or Wang) did that EXACT thing to Cull Obsidian earlier in the movie...

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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #51 on: 28 April 2018, 23:54:26 »
Star Lord losing it made total sense to me too.  The only thing that didn't make much sense was not cutting off Thanos' arm.  Strange (or Wang) did that EXACT thing to Cull Obsidian earlier in the movie...

It wouldn't have worked.  We were told this, explicitly, by Doctor Strange.
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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #52 on: 28 April 2018, 23:55:24 »
And besides, Strange needed to keep the other arm restrained.
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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #53 on: 28 April 2018, 23:58:54 »
I don't remember the explicit mention, but I'll buy it given his review of over 14 million possible futures...

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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #54 on: 29 April 2018, 00:38:11 »
Meanwhile, have an (in)appropriate theme song to enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH2w6Oxx0kQ

I don't remember the explicit mention, but I'll buy it given his review of over 14 million possible futures...
Which was a brilliant callback to the Doctor Strange movie.  How many times did he die, before he Bargained with Dormammu?  How many times did he die...that we didn't see?  Strange just pulled the same trick, only this time we didn't need to see it from his POV.

Also...I've read a few things from Feige over the last day, and a few puzzles coming together in my head.

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Feige's words:  "Characters like Spider-Man or Batman or James Bond or Iron Man, who have been around for so long and are always refreshed in comic books or novels or movies, you don't necessarily get that kind of an endpoint -- and we wanted to do that, which is what these next two Avengers films are. It doesn't mean the MCU is coming to a close, by any means. But it means the narrative that started when we began 10 years ago will have a conclusion."

So.  The story of the Avengers, the first 10 years and 20 films of the Marvel universe end with finality.  Yet the MCU lives on, which means they'll be bringing in new groups and new faces to step up, a 'next generation' of superheroes.
 Hopefully led by Captain Marvel, because that would be amazing.  Or rather, Marvelous.

That said - there's also word that Ant Man & The Wasp will tie into Infinity War much, much more than any other of the Marvel films.  Remember we've already glimpsed the Quantum Realm in the first Ant Man, and we know Janet van Dyne is trapped there.  We also saw it, briefly, in the thermonuclear mind trip that Strange got when he had his eye opened.
 Clearly it's going to be important, and might be the core of Strange's '14 million possible futures.'  The other thing I picked up on, Captain Marvel is going to be dealing with the Kree and Skrull war.  Remember the beginning of GotG 1?
 The Kree had been forced to sign a peace treaty with Xandar, and I'm betting that while we didn't see her Captain Marvel will have had something to do with that.  Considering the Kree have been screwing around on earth for a while (hi Inhumans), she might have a particular vendetta against them and that's what she's been doing all this time.  Ronan the Accuser is supposed to be in her film; if that's true it'll certainly fill in a big chunk of backstory to the Guardians films as well as open up a much more cosmic aspect to the future of the MCU.  And with that pager message sent out from Fury...I so, so very hope that the good Captain shows up as the new true leader of the next round of MCU superheroes.
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The only other films we know of for sure come AFTER Avengers 4, and that's Spiderman's sequel, though Sony and Marvel have said his story follows one movie per year in school - and he was a sophomore in Homecoming, while a senior in this one.  The next Spiderman film will, based on that, likely backdate a year and tuck in between Civil War & Homecoming and Infinity War, filling in some more with that.  After that there's Black Panther 2...

...and right now only Kevin Feige and God alone know what that's gonna be about.  And I'm not so sure about the latter.
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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #55 on: 29 April 2018, 01:38:05 »
Star Lord losing it made total sense to me too.  The only thing that didn't make much sense was not cutting off Thanos' arm.  Strange (or Wang) did that EXACT thing to Cull Obsidian earlier in the movie...

Maybe they tried and realyze they CAN'T cut it off..
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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #56 on: 29 April 2018, 08:29:21 »
Maybe they tried and realyze they CAN'T cut it off..

Probably this. Through the entire movie, Thanos was only ever slightly scuffed up until Thor tossed Stormbreaker at him.  Even the Hulk fight didn't cause any noticeable damage.

Also, considering how calm Strange was when people started disappearing, I am operating under the assumption that this STILL IS the 1 in 14 Million plan.  I don't recall the conversation exactly, and I'm not sitting through another 3 hours to double check, but I seem to recall that he did not explicitly state that the one successful plan was to stop Thanos on Titan, but to stop him in general.
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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #57 on: 29 April 2018, 09:09:11 »
Probably this. Through the entire movie, Thanos was only ever slightly scuffed up until Thor tossed Stormbreaker at him.  Even the Hulk fight didn't cause any noticeable damage.

Also, considering how calm Strange was when people started disappearing, I am operating under the assumption that this STILL IS the 1 in 14 Million plan.  I don't recall the conversation exactly, and I'm not sitting through another 3 hours to double check, but I seem to recall that he did not explicitly state that the one successful plan was to stop Thanos on Titan, but to stop him in general.

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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #58 on: 29 April 2018, 09:23:27 »
Probably this. Through the entire movie, Thanos was only ever slightly scuffed up until Thor tossed Stormbreaker at him.  Even the Hulk fight didn't cause any noticeable damage.

Also, considering how calm Strange was when people started disappearing, I am operating under the assumption that this STILL IS the 1 in 14 Million plan.  I don't recall the conversation exactly, and I'm not sitting through another 3 hours to double check, but I seem to recall that he did not explicitly state that the one successful plan was to stop Thanos on Titan, but to stop him in general.

I'm 100% sure this is the case...It was asked how many possible futures did Strange review, and he replied something on the order of 14 million, 650 (or some similar number)...Tony then asks something along the lines of "How many did we win?", to which Strange replied "One."

The next thing we know, they are fighting Thanos for some time, restraining him eventually, with Stark and Parker nearly pulling his glove off before Quill goes justifiably mental on him for killing Gamora...more fighting ensues, Stark gets stabbed, and Strange surrenders the Time Stone...and only after Strange tried to trick Thanos with an empty Eye of Agammoto amulet...

Some might ask that, if this is the plan, why the prolonged fight, and allowing Tony to get stabbed. I counter this question with "Wouldn't Thanos have been suspicious of a trick if they just handed the stone over without a fight?"

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Re: Avengers Infinity War (Spoilers)
« Reply #59 on: 29 April 2018, 09:35:23 »
Presumably, Thanos knows a real stone when he holds one, and once he has the gauntlet fully assembled, he's in "what, me worry?" mode.