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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1380 on: 10 April 2016, 16:27:10 »
Outpost or Outpost Defender

Slight modifications to the first replacing vehicles for more fighters, or recouping some tonnage from the second by dropping a KW might work...

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« Reply #1381 on: 10 April 2016, 17:53:06 »
Outposts are made by the Horses.  It would more likely be made by the Ravens, so I would disqualify the Outpost.

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« Reply #1382 on: 10 April 2016, 18:41:56 »
An old Leopard or a Broadsword works to round out your transportation. It's frustrating that there isn't a better DropShip fit for Triads, but the thing to remember is that most triads would appear in second line forces, so they generally weren't supposed to move all that much.
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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1383 on: 10 April 2016, 21:00:40 »
A Lion could also work and would be able to hold the entire force with modifications.  Stripping the existing bays gives it a total of around 4400 tons for your units.  Your units take a total of 2600 tons, so this also leaves a good portion for support personnel and/or spoils.

As for availability, it hasn't been built in quite a while, but the tech is relatively old, so the Ravens could easily have the capability of producing them (though the canonicity would be iffy).  I suspect that due to it's smaller size it probably wasn't prioritized in the escape from the homeworlds, so the Ravens probably don't have too many, but very well could have some.

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« Reply #1384 on: 11 April 2016, 18:03:07 »
Arcadia 2
Confederate C or Broadsword - more cargo or go with the aerodyne effect, your choice.
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Suggest: Odyssey jumpship, carries twin NL-45 "Gunboat" and/or NL-42 "Battle Taxi". ( I'd use both myself. )

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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1385 on: 11 April 2016, 18:14:23 »
Hmm thanks for the input everyone. It looks like my main options are to have 3 dropships, or if it's one one that is heavily modified (Lion, Outpost, etc.) I'll think on it.

As a related aside is the Raven Touman mixed enough that they would benefit from their own version of hte Outpost that had room for Aerospace and 'Mechs? and maybe BA or Protomechs but I'd assume those are more 2nd line in the touman.
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« Reply #1386 on: 11 April 2016, 19:13:14 »
The Ravens have really only used the triad system in second line forces, and those forces seem to be getting smaller as the Outworld commands take up the role of the second line forces.  That said, as of 3145, the Ravens still have 6 secondline clusters, though 2 of them are in a galaxy in the midst of being upgraded to front line. 

The Ravens have been too small since their move to the Inner Sphere to worry about making a specific transport for triad organizations, if they were to have designed/built a new dropship to accomodate the formation, it would have been when there was more call for it, and likely would have been done in the homeworlds probably well before the invasion.  Though most clans that used the triad organization used them in second line units so integral dropship support wouldn't have been as necessary.

As for the Ravens now, even their front line forces will use protomechs (Beta Galaxy used hippogriffs in their assaults on Sterlington and Kirbyville).

TLDR:  Could they have made a new triad-based dropship class?  Possible but unlikely.   And second, the Ravens use protomechs in their front line forces as well as their second line ones - as of the Dark Ages at least.

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« Reply #1387 on: 11 April 2016, 19:29:50 »
I'd figure for Triads they would just Mod an existing design.
I doubt they are going to build a new class for a 2nd line Unit.

Upgrade some old Alliance Triumphs, Unions, maybe some old Lions.

Plus it isn't like you are likely to hot drop a 2nd line Unit, you could use a Mule or Buccaneer.

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« Reply #1388 on: 11 April 2016, 20:10:42 »
Sorry let me clarify, are the Front Line touman forces (not Triad's) mixed enough that building a new dropship to move people around would be a benefit. Not necessarily that they will do it, but what would it take for the Ravens (or any Clan I guess that's not the HH) to build a dropship that can carry mixed forces. Like would it be more economically feasible to make a new dropship that reduces the total number of dropships used, or keep the ones they have and move 'em around? Or something else.
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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1389 on: 11 April 2016, 21:36:20 »
By far the most common mixed formation is the 'mech nova and supernova (seemingly more frequently a binary than a trinary).  The Broadsword may be able to technically hold said nova (I don't have TRO3057 in front of me for exact cargo tonnage, and I calculated 73.5 tons not including ammo in the design and seem to remember 40s or 50s cargo tonage) while the Union definitely can hold a supernova.  A modified Confederate can also hold a nova (they are all already modified anyways, so this isn't out of the question).  I personally think there should have been a dedicated nova dropship, but it doesn't seem entirely necessary.

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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1390 on: 12 April 2016, 03:30:05 »
Sorry let me clarify, are the Front Line touman forces (not Triad's) mixed enough that building a new dropship to move people around would be a benefit. Not necessarily that they will do it, but what would it take for the Ravens (or any Clan I guess that's not the HH) to build a dropship that can carry mixed forces. Like would it be more economically feasible to make a new dropship that reduces the total number of dropships used, or keep the ones they have and move 'em around? Or something else.

Not really.

Pre-Jihad, Raven front-line units were similar to those of other Clans; post-Jihad, it isn't quite clear whether they were able to maintain that organization.  Not to mention the widespread introduction of ProtoMechs into the Raven touman.  However, if they replaced an existing front-line 'Mech Trinary with a ProtoMech Trinary, then they likely simply assigned an Arcadia or Arcadia 2 to its DropShip star.

Economically feasible?  Not really given how poor their economy has been doing and the fact that they are devoting a tremendous amount of resources to reactivating their WarShip fleet (not to mention building/reactivating escort DropShips and their respective fighter complements).
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« Reply #1391 on: 27 April 2016, 19:34:18 »
Not really.

Pre-Jihad, Raven front-line units were similar to those of other Clans; post-Jihad, it isn't quite clear whether they were able to maintain that organization.  Not to mention the widespread introduction of ProtoMechs into the Raven touman.  However, if they replaced an existing front-line 'Mech Trinary with a ProtoMech Trinary, then they likely simply assigned an Arcadia or Arcadia 2 to its DropShip star.

Economically feasible?  Not really given how poor their economy has been doing and the fact that they are devoting a tremendous amount of resources to reactivating their WarShip fleet (not to mention building/reactivating escort DropShips and their respective fighter complements).

Sorry, was doing grad school stuff and forgot about this.

It really seems like there's not a lot of NEW stuff that the Ravens can make. They've spent a lot of time with new 2nd line mechs and upgrading the old OA units (with new Lightnings, Wasps, Coraxes, etc.) But it feels like Frontline units have fallen behind a lot from before the move, which makes sense considering what all happened, although I don't know if that's the case. I found this http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=82.msg150728#msg150728 and am seeing what that would look like in 3150 (although it's super slow going.) Looking through the MUL (which admittedly doesn't have a lot for us in the Dark Ages and Late Republic stages) as well as the RATs in the FM and ER 3145, we still have at least one omni for every weight, with a lot of old Jaguar, Nova Cat, and GB 'mechs. Lots of different heavy 'mech designs, even if I don't think any of them are made in RA space.  It just feels like the Ravens should be doing either much worse or better than they are, and I don't know what makes the most sense.
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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1392 on: 27 April 2016, 21:26:29 »
The only confirmed home-grown omnimech the Ravens get is the Deimos, and the RATs seem to bear out that it is the most common assault class omni.  Most of the rest seem to be leftovers that survived their exodus from the homeworlds or new purchases from the Sea Foxes and castoffs from the Ghost Bears.

I'll run through the list of omnimechs in the Front Line clusters mentioned in the RATs and where I think they probably come from.
Lights
Kit Fox - There is indication that the Uller was in production by the Ravens before their exodus and was likely their most common light omni. 
Fire Moth - The good terms between the Ghost Bears and the Ravens probably led to a fair few of these in the Raven touman during the exodus, it's also not far fetched that the Ghost Bears would have sold worn out or otherwise cast off Fire Moths to the Ravens throughout the Republic era.
Mediums
Nova - A seemingly easy to maintain omni, with it's standard structure and armor, and indication that for a long period of time it was out of production and yet still was fairly common place.  Those currently in the Raven touman were likely those to have survived the exodus of the homeworlds.
Stormcrow - Indicated to have possibly have been in production by the Ravens prior to the exodus from the homeworlds - supported by them being the clan that created the finalized design.  This makes it likely to have been very common among Raven medium omnis, and it's efficacy in battle likely leading to the production of replacement parts in order to keep as many of them battle ready as possible.
Heavies
Crossbow - Likely salvage from their primary enemy in the homeworlds: the Steel Vipers.  The lack of advanced materials being used in the design probably makes it fairly easy to keep repaired and battle ready.
Vulture - Among the most ubiquitous heavy 'mechs used by the clans, the surviving 'mechs are likely a combination of those coming with the exodus, as well as those sold by the Sea Foxes and Ghost Bears as they and other clans update their toumans with Mk IIIs and Mk IVs.
Karhu - Very likely traded or bought from the Ghost Bears or Sea Foxes.
Mad Cat Mk IV - Bought from the Sea Foxes
Vulture Mk IV - Bought from the Sea Foxes
Linebacker - Probably most of these are survivors from the exodus from the homeworlds, though purchases from the Wolves/Sea Foxes are entirely possible.
Cauldron-Born - Was among the Raven's more common heavy 'mechs according to FM3085 RATs.  Possibly enough survived the exodus to remain common enough to make it onto the FM3145 RAT (if only barely).
Assaults
Deimos - The only confirmed homegrown omni, and it's frequency ratio on the most current RAT supports it's ubiquity among Raven assault forces.
Gladiator - Likely bought or traded from the Sea Foxes or Ghost Bears.
Kingfisher - Likely a combination of survivors of the exodus and more recent purchases from the Sea Foxes and Ghost Bears.

Now it's important to point out that RATs are not really indicative of the true disposition of the whatever force is attempting to be made through them.  An example of this is the Raven Keshik, which is supposed to be 100% omni, though going strictly by the RATs, every weight class has the possibility of being a non-omni.

One other thing to point out is that the Raven touman has shifted even further into second line units than just their battlemechs, there are front line galaxies and clusters being noted to be using protomechs - though we don't know for sure if these are replacing 'mechs or battle armor.  Assuming the standard cluster having a trio of 'mech trinaries the Raven Touman still only has about 325 omnimechs (this ends up being 48% of the Front Line Clusters and the entire 45 'mechs of the Keshik, though the ASF contingent could throw the numbers off in either direction depending on their make up).

Lastly, at least regarding the known touman, the Alliance has not shifted all their battlemech production to clan specs, the Cadaver being the prime example, where the version produced by the Alliance is less advanced than that produced by the Taurians - though the fact that the Alliance and Taurians are making the same design indicates there may be something going on there.

A lot of the above really shows a lack of ability to keep their production at the levels equal to a lot of the other clans, with very few of their omnimech forces likely being newer production and possibly being castoffs from better off clans.  I perceive a large portion of the responsibility being laid at the feet of the clan choosing to slow down or even shut down (depending on how one reads it) the jumpship yards they rebuilt over Quatre Belle, had they kept them going at full steam they probably would have been better off financially and possibly even industrially (by selling Inner Sphere tech invaders, star lords and monoliths to whoever wants them, as well as increasing interplanetary trade among the Alliance worlds).  Their choice to mothball a portion of the yards as well as not integrate themselves more fully with the Outworlders has led to their current state, at least in my opinion.

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« Reply #1393 on: 27 April 2016, 23:02:24 »
Or perhaps the Alliance is building a full suite of Omnifighters when nearly  no one else does? Everyone has big holes in their balanced Omni production. With a full suite of Omnifighters you are  not going to get a full suite of Mechs.

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« Reply #1394 on: 27 April 2016, 23:24:12 »
Or perhaps the Alliance is building a full suite of Omnifighters when nearly  no one else does? Everyone has big holes in their balanced Omni production. With a full suite of Omnifighters you are  not going to get a full suite of Mechs.

I'd love to see something like this, with a clan version of the Corax (fully omni rather than what we saw in prototypes), Wusun and Ostrogoth (the artwork seems to draw from the same source indicating some kind of connection), and the Scytha since the Ravens seemed to be messing around with it back in the 3090s.

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« Reply #1395 on: 27 April 2016, 23:32:00 »
I will give up being mysterious and oblique.
Ignore the "perhaps" and replace it with "is".

Get Objectives: The Clans and look up Crest Foundries. The answer is there.

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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1396 on: 27 April 2016, 23:52:21 »
It just feels like the Ravens should be doing either much worse or better than they are, and I don't know what makes the most sense.

The only reason they are doing as well as they are is because the AFFS is pre-occupied with the Combine/Capellan invasions and are stretched beyond their ability to deal with all the threats.
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« Reply #1397 on: 27 April 2016, 23:56:58 »
I'm pretty sure I remember there being some fluff about the Ravens having trouble keeping order just on the worlds the Combine willingly gave over (apparently) as part of the Caleb backstab deal.  Their touman must be spread exceptionally thin in 3145.

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« Reply #1398 on: 28 April 2016, 00:02:51 »
I will give up being mysterious and oblique.
Ignore the "perhaps" and replace it with "is".

Get Objectives: The Clans and look up Crest Foundries. The answer is there.

Serves me right for thinking the old proboards forum production list was complete.  :-[

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« Reply #1399 on: 28 April 2016, 00:31:25 »
Be warned. Fan lists are good at adding stuff but not at removing it. Expect a clean out of the older IS stuff whose roles are duplicated elsewhere. Garrison forces can inherit left overs in a universe with no wars.

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« Reply #1400 on: 28 April 2016, 08:08:26 »
Or perhaps the Alliance is building a full suite of Omnifighters when nearly  no one else does? Everyone has big holes in their balanced Omni production. With a full suite of Omnifighters you are  not going to get a full suite of Mechs.

Yeah, Bashkir and Sabutai at Crest, and then the Wusun and Corax at Ramora.

Which still goes along with my point of I'm not sure if the Ravens should be doing better or worse.

On one hand, they're notoriously weak at the strongest unit in the game. They're on resource poor planets, and have seemed to have self-sabotaged themselves from taking better advantage of the resources they do have. They're poorly integrated with their civilian population, and at least some of the new worlds that they've captured aren't integrating any better. In short, they should be dying off.

On the other hand though...their two biggest opponents are WAY too preoccupied with other things to really care about them. They're about to have the largest Warship fleet in the IS. They make at least 4 omni-fighters, one omni-mech, a bunch of decent 2nd line 'mechs, some pretty solid upgrades for their OA allies, and are friendly enough with the Sea Foxes and Bears that they still regularly trade. They (probably) aren't going to be ilClan anytime soon, but barring the HW Clans or WoB coming back they aren't going to die off either.

Like most factions it feels like they're either going to come out as a great power or are going to fade (or explode) into nothing, and the Ravens are no different. Unlike the other factions though I'd imagine they don't have plot immunity, so it feels more real that the RA could die than the FedSuns or Lyrans, at least permanently.
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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1401 on: 07 May 2016, 08:53:31 »
I'm wondering what sort of stuff the Ravens like to use, in terms of weight classes, movement profiles, favorite weapons, etc. What would make you go "Yeah, THAT is a Raven Mech" when you look at it? Can anyone enlighten me?

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« Reply #1402 on: 07 May 2016, 09:06:24 »
I'm wondering what sort of stuff the Ravens like to use, in terms of weight classes, movement profiles, favorite weapons, etc. What would make you go "Yeah, THAT is a Raven Mech" when you look at it? Can anyone enlighten me?

It seems like their preferred weapons are LRMs and LB-X ACs.  As far as weight classes, it seems like they tend towards mediums (though there are a lot of high production heavies that they could very easily trade or trial for) and in their more front line machines are a bit on the slower side with large amounts of pod space.  Second line machines tend to be a bit faster.  Their more iconic-ish omnis (at least prior to the Deimos) include Kit Foxes and Stormcrows.

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« Reply #1403 on: 07 May 2016, 10:26:59 »
I'm wondering what sort of stuff the Ravens like to use, in terms of weight classes, movement profiles, favorite weapons, etc. What would make you go "Yeah, THAT is a Raven Mech" when you look at it? Can anyone enlighten me?

Short answer: If it's a Space 'Mech or an Anti-Air 'Mech, it is probably a Raven.

Before the move to the IS there wasn't that much that made the Ravens stand out from everyone else. There weren't the Night Gyr's or Battle Cobra's that someone could see and go "Yep, I'm fighting the Ravens." The most iconic were probably the Kit Fox, Stormcrow, and Mad Dog (like Vition was saying), and the Ravens also had a lot of 'Mechs associated with the Ghost Bears (through trade), Jaguars (through trade?), Blood Spirits (starting around the Refusal War), and Steel Vipers (fightin' them.) In fact, Vition has already covered most of this a few posts ago.

These days the Ravens make:
Dark Crow
Goshawk II
Deimos (only omni they're reported to be making)
Omen
Shadow Hawk IIC 7 (Spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace)
Warhammer IIC 7 ((Spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace)
Stinger IIC

Modified 'Mechs:
Baboon 3
Kodiak 3
Clint IIC (1 and 2)

Inner Sphere 'Mechs (OA):
Wasp (1A, 3A)
Stinger 3R
Merlin (1A and 1C)
Bombardier (05A and 12D)
Cadaver A1
Night Hawk 2Q
Charger (1A9 and 2A2)

Now most of these are for the old OA or for the Clan's 2nd line troops. There are lots of solid if not great IS Light and Heavy designs. Lots of decent fast Medium 2nd line designs (although anything Clantech is used in the 1st lines these days probably.) The Omen and Deimos are the main choices for homegrown Assault (no Clanner would ever use the Charger unless they were Solahma I hope).

They have an example of almost every weapon on at least ONE 'mech (even Streak LRMs and RACs) with the exception of the ER Pulse Lasers. But like Vition said LRMs and LB-Xs are definitely up there. I'd argue lasers (ER, Pulse, Heavy, and Improved Heavy) are up there too, but who doesn't have those?

(Most of this information is from Sarna and the MUL. I spent a decent amount of time last Summer organizing Raven information so that it's easier to find, and so for instance there is a list of the 'mechs that the Ravens make. There is a lot less info for the Raven Alliance so it isn't as organized, but you can still find the companies that make things for both http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Category:Clan_Snow_Raven_Companies and http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Category:Raven_Alliance_Companies .)
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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1404 on: 07 May 2016, 12:07:09 »
So as not to make the longest post ever...

Ravens also invented Ferro-Lamellor armor, and I think they did a lot with jump jets too (don't remember what they invented or didn't right now.)

Battle Armor made by the Ravens:
Aerie (Standard and Salvage - First Clan BA to use Stealth Armor.)
Elemental (Standard and Space)
Sylph (XR and Enhanced, uses the BA Myomer Booster to be very speedy on the ground.)

ASF (Here is where the Ravens are probably the most iconic.)
Wusun (duh.)
Bashkir
Sabutai
Scytha XR (although not sure how many of those are out there)
Corax
Corax C
Hellcat 313
Lightning 16O
Slayer CX-1 (not sure how many are out there)
(The Chaeronea and Issus also used to be built by the Ravens but as far as I can tell any that are still around came from the HW.)

Protomechs (Ravens have done more than anyone else in the IS since the WoR):
Hippogriff (uses Partial Wings)
Roc (various, also the 5 uses Extended Jump Jets)
Cecerops (including one that uses the Magnetic Clamp system)
Chrysaor (although may not be built in the IS anymore.)
Possibly the Gorgon too, although I don't have the back of TRO 3150 in front of me.

Vehicles:
Nuberu (both variants)
Gossamer
Oro
Hachiman

Small Craft:
NL-45

Dropships:
Titan Monitor
(Ravens also used to build the Carrier but AFAIK those shipyards were destroyed in the WoR.)

Jumpships:
Odyssey
(Something else that is scaring the Republic?!?!?)

There may also be a lot of old OA things that can be built, but I don't know whether the Ravens care about building them or not.

So lots of things related to flying or space, either to dominate space from there, or to shoot things down from the ground. There is also a trend towards lighter things, at least with BA and 'Mechs, although that may just be that they already have enough heavy 'mechs and BA that it doesn't matter. There aren't a lot of holes in the Raven touman, because even when they don't make something (like heavy 'mechs) they have access to a ton. So, for example, there aren't a lot of scout 'mechs that the Ravens have access too. And at the same time the Goshawk II is probably fast enough, and so is the Cadaver. Aerospace, the Sylphs, and any leftover Protomechs could also fill in the scouting role. Whether everything they have is the best it can be (like the Sabutai) I don't know. But there is at least SOMETHING that can fill most roles. I'd like to have a better Heavy ASF than the Sabutai, and maybe a bruiser Heavy or Assault 'Mech to replace the old ones and to complement the Deimos. I'd also like a more dedicated Scouting 'Mech for when you don't have BA or Protomechs. And I guess an updated Clan OmniCorax. Maybe a dropship that better reflects the combined arms approach that everyone has (that I asked about earlier.) And of course all of the civilian population that the Star Adders murdered and/or captured, maybe a few more stars of Warships, as well as the people to crew them. But none of these things are as necessary as they could be.
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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1405 on: 07 May 2016, 17:09:27 »

Jumpships:
Odyssey
(Something else that is scaring the Republic?!?!?)


I'll add that they also make/can make/have made Hunter-class jumpships and Comitatus-class jumpships.

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« Reply #1406 on: 07 May 2016, 17:16:24 »
I think the lack of Hippogriff mini is the only thing keeping me from turning out my pockets to buy a Star of Protos for my Ravens.
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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1407 on: 08 May 2016, 01:30:42 »
Thanks for the help everyone, lot of good info.

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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1408 on: 08 May 2016, 07:52:37 »
and maybe a bruiser Heavy or Assault 'Mech to replace the old ones and to complement the Deimos.

Omen doesn't suit?

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Re: Raven Alliance: Enemy Of Your Enemy (And Still Your Enemy!)
« Reply #1409 on: 08 May 2016, 08:21:24 »
Omen doesn't suit?

Sorry Omni. To replace old Kingfishers, Warhawks, Daishis, etc. I'm just greedy.
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