15th Dracon Company 3067/3030

[Lysenko]

Here's my AS version of Charlie Company, 2nd Battallon, 15th Dracon. About 50% SLDF 'Mechs. No skill added into the points. Links are to the unit cards on my Google Drive.

Late 3060's, prior to their destruction:

Charlie Co., 2nd Battalion, 188 pts.

C.1 (Command Lance) 58 pts.
Black Knight BL-9-KNT (17)
Guillotine GLT-5M (15)
Cataphract CTF-3L (15)
Vindicator VND-3L (11)

C.2 (Assault) 71 pts.
BattleMaster BLR-4S (20)
Thug THG-11E (16)
Stalker STK-5M (17)
Thunderbolt TDR-7SE (18)

C.3 (Maneuver) 58 pts.
Flashman FLS-8K (18)
Lancelot LNC25-03 (14)
Rifleman RFL-6X (15)
Crab Crb-27 (12)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx2GuL9v1gitcVVMeUpYa2cxRlU/edit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx2GuL9v1gitTDdmVDl6MHJYOGs/edit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx2GuL9v1gitS09qVjlFQWhfaGs/edit?usp=sharing



And same 'Mechs but intro/3030:

Charlie Co., 2nd BTN, 159 pts.

C.1 (Command) 51 pts.
Black Knight BL-7-KNT (14)
Guillotine GLT-4L (14)
Cataphract CTF-2X (13)
Vindicator VND-1R (10)

C.2 (Assault) 60 pts.
BattleMaster BLR-1G-DC (15)
Thug THG-10E (15)
Stalker STK-3F (16)
Thunderbolt TDR-5SE (14)

C.3 (Maneuver) 48 pts.
Flashman FLS-7K (15)
Lancelot LNC25-02 (12)
Rifleman RFL-3N (10)
Crab CRB-20 (11)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx2GuL9v1gitNmtBNEhkRXJuaGc/edit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx2GuL9v1gitWHVKMTJoNEY0d1E/edit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx2GuL9v1gitbmpVakE3VnhSTms/edit?usp=sharing

Amazing what a little difference some tech makes. :)

As for skill levels, the 15th Dracon is routinely listed as "regulars" in the source material.  A few pilots might be higher, just because. :)

[Hellraiser]

Given that the Thug-b is the Royal version, and the Dracon's were not Royals, AFAIK, I would suggest using the standard 11E.
I dont think this will change the stats since I was informed that both the PPC & ERPPC reach long range.
If anything it might get you a unit that is cheaper in BV/pts.

Crab is also a royal unit, but will loose long range using the standard version.

[nckestrel]

That Battlemaster is also Royal. 

[Lysenko]

Right-o on the royals, but Master Unit List shows them as available in the Jihad era to a  range of different factions.

I'm assuming that these are not true (vintage) royals, but just upgraded chassis. For example, the Thug -11b shows as available to: Free Worlds League, IS Clan General, Mercenary, Word of Blake.

[nckestrel]

They became available after the New Dallas Memory Core was made available in the 3070s.  In the 3060s, nobody knew anything about them, much less had any (except presumably the Clans).

[Lysenko]

Ah, problem when looking at a range of years. Easy enough to downgrade.

So, probably -4S on the BattleMaster, and other two to non-Royals.

Thanks, this is the input I'm needing.

[Lysenko]

And updated documnets, links, and points above.

[nckestrel]

FM:CC specifically mentions the Flashman and Crockett as preferred designs.  You've already got a Flashman, but maybe you could add a Crockett.
And the Duan Gung as the only "new machine" ordered in large numbers.  So maybe add a Duan Gung.  Or maybe not, it is the Duan Gung..

Oh, just noticed the date in the title.  If you want 3067, the RFL-8X doesnt exist until 3068?

[Lysenko]

eh, 3067, 3068...close enough. :) It's 3069 when they're destroyed.

As to the Crockett, I'm planning on having one in Abel Company's Heavy Assault Lance (A.2), which is tentatively a King Crab, highlander, a Crockett, and a Flashman. The Crab might become a 2nd Crockett or Flashman.

[Davion_Boy_74]

Nice, 1 question though in your new (edited) downloads should there be a C1 command Lance late 3060's download ?, as the C2 Assault Lance late 3060's download is up twice.

Thanks.

Dave.

[Lysenko]

Thank you, Davion Boy. Fixed.

Also, when previewing them in Docs, they're completely off-kilter. Downloaded as a Word doc, they're good.

[Davion_Boy_74]

Thanks   O0 ,

Dave.

[Savage Coyote]

FM:CC specifically mentions the Flashman and Crockett as preferred designs.

I wish the royal Crocket was brought back.  I've had a lot of fun with that one!

[Hellraiser]

Right-o on the royals, but Master Unit List shows them as available in the Jihad era to a  range of different factions.

I'm assuming that these are not true (vintage) royals, but just upgraded chassis. For example, the Thug -11b shows as available to: Free Worlds League, IS Clan General, Mercenary, Word of Blake.

They became available after the New Dallas Memory Core was made available in the 3070s.  In the 3060s, nobody knew anything about them, much less had any (except presumably the Clans).

Nck beat me to it but yes, the Royal stuff wasn't around in 3067 yet, except in clan 2nd Line units.



I also wonder about that Battlemaster, you picked the DC variant.
You are aware that that one is the special rules that use 2 people to operate it from Mechwarrior companion?
Its not a command console, its the "Dual-Cockpit" rules, which were fairly cheesy IIRC.
Just a thought but you might want a plain ole 1G in that spot.
Also might want to go with the 3M/5M in the 3067 roster, fit better as a Marik model refit to the Cappies v/s the 4S which was produced on the other side of the IS by the Lyrans.


Finally, I'm noticing all 12 mechs are L2 tech in 3067.  Seems like a high % to me.
IIRC there were very few CC units that advanced in FM:U

[Hellraiser]

I wish the royal Crocket was brought back.  I've had a lot of fun with that one!

I have a lot of "custom" units that just magically match up to extinct models for cases like that.

[Lysenko]

I also wonder about that Battlemaster, you picked the DC variant.
You are aware that that one is the special rules that use 2 people to operate it from Mechwarrior companion?
Its not a command console, its the "Dual-Cockpit" rules, which were fairly cheesy IIRC.

Nope, I specifically wanted the DC BattleMaster in that spot. I've been in love with them since Teddy Kurita had one in "Heir to the Dragon." In AS, it get the MHQ1 tag, which isn't that cheesy.

[Hellraiser]

Nope, I specifically wanted the DC BattleMaster in that spot. I've been in love with them since Teddy Kurita had one in "Heir to the Dragon." In AS, it get the MHQ1 tag, which isn't that cheesy.

As I said above.  DC is not CC.

Teddy Kurita had a CC  (Command Console)

Dual Cockpit = 2 Men Piloting the machine together, 1 working at movement/piloting, 1 working as gunner.
It gives you cheesy skill bonuses & none of the "command" abilities.

If you want the Teddy K. model I suggest you look into the 1C or 2C, I forget which one he piloted but both of them were SLDF/C* models that were gifted to the Dracs in the 3030s by accident.



Dual Cockpit Combat System
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Dual_Cockpit

Command Console
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Command_Console

Battlemaster variants
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/BattleMaster

[Lysenko]

Have you looked at the 3039 Unabridged RS for the BLR-1G-DC? TPTB are treating a DC as a command console. Sorry. Maybe in MWC, a 20 year old book, they had some funky rules. It wouldn't be the first time that something's been changed.

As to it being an SLDF 'Mech, CC:FM allows the 15th Dracon player to choose half of his 'Mechs from C* RATs. Just saying.

My vision of the 15th Dracon might not match yours and that's fine. This isn't 40K.