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Re: ilClan Spoiler in 2nd SW? (Possible spoiler)
« Reply #60 on: 05 July 2020, 23:40:16 »
What is the status of ilClan book anyway?

I've seen the talk of the recognition guides on the boards.

Any sort of a timeline for it?   (Not that the state of things w/ Covid would be helping the issue, but curious if its soon.)
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« Reply #61 on: 06 July 2020, 04:00:59 »
After re-reading most parts of Shattered Fortress last night, I've come to ponder on whether the Clan armada arriving over Terra and declaring a trial might in fact be the HW Clans, making a case for the Star Adders or whatever they have morphed into since the Wars of Reaving becoming ilClan. So Stone hints at that to save the Republic, it might have to change into something else, Tucker talks about chaing one devil for another and it has become quite clear that Terra has a working Super HPG and the Fortress wall around Terra is still up, so you need to be invited to get through.
They surely wouldn't invite Clan Wolf, let alone Jade Falcon, so maybe the Bears? The way they were covered in SF and how it was phrased regarding their Vega Protectorate issues and the following incursion into Dracs territory, gives me a feeling that it's not them either. So maybe the Sea Foxes? Might actually be. But with their involvement in the League and their lack of military might to clear this whole mess around Terra up, they also seem a somewhat unrealistic candidate.
The only thing that really speaks against the HW Clans is the sheer distance and thus also time it would take for them to arrive in the Sol system after being contacted by Stone via Super HPG. In SF it seems like it's just a few weeks, maybe a few months, but that would cleary not be enough to decide to follow Stone's invitation, then amass the troops necessary to beat down Wolfs, JFs, Liaos and Kuritas and finally actually make your way to Terra. But other than that?

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Re: ilClan Spoiler in 2nd SW? (Possible spoiler)
« Reply #62 on: 06 July 2020, 09:36:05 »
Clan Star Adder would be fatal blow to everyone. They were the conservative of the home clans by the time the Reaving is over.  Their going along with taint non-sense.  There no way, they could live in co-existence sort of ilClan sort mentality. 
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Re: ilClan Spoiler in 2nd SW? (Possible spoiler)
« Reply #63 on: 06 July 2020, 12:16:20 »
Didnt someone from the Republic go on a *secret mission* to which they didnt return for a while...

Wouldn't they be a possible envoy to whatever is left of the HW Clans to come and "Save Terra and be ilClan" at the same time?

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Re: ilClan Spoiler in 2nd SW? (Possible spoiler)
« Reply #64 on: 06 July 2020, 20:06:04 »
They surely wouldn't invite Clan Wolf,

I challenge your supposition. Why would they not?

- Wolf in Exile is unlikely, they could not hold Arc Royal from the Falcons, much less the Republic from all of its foes.

- Clan Jade Falcon, as run by its current Khan, is not the sort of entity that is known for its good treatment of its lower castes and those it conquers. Even if a new bird rules the roost, there'll be ghosts of her legacy around the touman for awhile, unless they're all killed off in which case they're probably not strong enough to hold off the Wolves and the Capellans and the Combine and so forth.

- Clan Ghost Bear would be a strong possibility, aye, but there's virtually nothing in the way of foreshadowing to make it feel likely.

- the ghosts of the cat clans are not numerous enough to make a difference. Even if you combined them with Clan Wolf in Exile's arc royal leftovers.

- The Sharkfoxes are not it. They talk about supplying the contenders, not being one.

- Ravens are too far away, and playing house in the Outworlds.

- Whoever absorbs the republic allows the exarch to continue existing as an office. Short list of clans flexible enough to allow that.

- The Home Clans, last we heard about them, regard the Inner Sphere as tainted, and those who come in contact with it as tainted. If they return, it will most likely be for a cleansing in fire, not a mutually beneficial pact. This is far more prominent than the lack of time it would take to travel there.

-- Additionally, Neither Clan Ghost Bear, nor Clan Hell's Horses, nor the Draconis Combine... or really ANYONE have made reports of a force like that traveling through their territory.

Meanwhile, Clan Wolf:

- Is known for their relaxed and permissive treatment of their lower castes, and is one of the few clans known to care about their wellbeing.

-- Clan Wolf was one of the few untouched by Society, as they could not find enough malcontentment in the scientist caste to take root.

-- It's in the Wolf's Blood. Clan Wolf has cared about the Lower Castes since their early days. The Widowmaker Absorbtion began with a dispute over the treatment of the Widowmaker Lower Castes, and it has strengthened Clan Wolf.

- Clan Wolf is the only clan that has ever been ilClan before.

- A Gencon Scenario depicted Clan Wolf fighting the Republic for control of Terra. Wolf Win.
-- A Second battle was fought, one that looks awfully similar to the scene on the cover o

- The Following Year, a diorama was made, depicting the same battles.

- The Cover art for the mock-up cover of ilClan depicts a battle that looks an awful lot like the fight between Alaric and Stone. https://i.redd.it/a3wa7v0fazd31.png

- Ben Rome made a blog post outlining how ilClan was going to go down on his watch, and it was Clan Wolf that was ilClan. Certainly not binding on the current devs, but Shattered Fortress matches quite close to what was outlined for the first half, and it means that most of the foreshadowing was based on this direction. To change directions now isn't impossible, but it might be hard to do in a satisfying way that doesn't just seem like contrarianism

-Post-Rome foreshadowing is going that direction too. Clan Wolf has secured the assistance of Wolf's Dragoons against the Falcons. They are smaller than their historic size when they were practically a clan unto themselves, but it is going to make for one hell of a Wolfpack to counter the Falcons.

What is the status of ilClan book anyway?

Most recent comment on the timing:

Looks like my comment is being taken too literally. I’ll be more specific then: there is no way in heaven or earth that ilClan can come out in the 3rd quarter 2020.

if I had to guess, I doubt we will see ilClan until the RecGuide and more of the novels leading up to it are out.
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Re: ilClan Spoiler in 2nd SW? (Possible spoiler)
« Reply #65 on: 07 July 2020, 01:19:41 »
Alright, makes sense. Not that I would complain anyways if it were happening ;)

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Re: ilClan Spoiler in 2nd SW? (Possible spoiler)
« Reply #66 on: 07 July 2020, 02:49:50 »
Does Clan Wolf have the strength to face off against the Falcons though and reliably win? Surely Stone would only make that gamble if he thought that the Wolves would be capable of gutting the Falcons whilst remaining viable enough to become the new new SLDF?

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« Reply #67 on: 07 July 2020, 06:26:56 »
I question whether CJF has the strength to threaten Clan Wolf + Wolf's Dragoons, when they also have the Hell's Horses nursing a grudge and looming over their OZ.
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Re: ilClan Spoiler in 2nd SW? (Possible spoiler)
« Reply #68 on: 07 July 2020, 08:14:51 »
 Wait, OZs still matter?

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Re: ilClan Spoiler in 2nd SW? (Possible spoiler)
« Reply #69 on: 07 July 2020, 08:26:17 »
Having some manner of home territory does, sure
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Re: ilClan Spoiler in 2nd SW? (Possible spoiler)
« Reply #70 on: 07 July 2020, 09:16:58 »
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« Reply #71 on: 07 July 2020, 19:11:37 »
and also in the sense of, even if the Falcons manage to defeat Clan Wolf and take Terra, they are going to need some means to rearm. Taking Terra and repulsing whoever comes to repudiate that claim will be taxing. having a support base, manufacturing, mining, breeding, and the castes to support those activities will be vital.

So, no one can afford to just push all their chips to the center of the table and go All In, with no regard for their prior holdings and expect to survive for long. Terra is an industrial center, but if it were THAT good, the republic wouldn't be making deals with a clan for their survival.

If you're Clan Wolf, you need to leave garrisons in the Empire, because if you look weak, the Free Worlds League will be looking to reclaim all the manufacturing they lost, and which has subsequently been upgraded. And the Lyrans are certainly nursing a grudge and reminiscing about how great it was to have those worlds.

If you're Clan Jade Falcon, you have those same Lyrans who are possibly madder at you than they are at the Wolves (The Wolves may have showed up at Tharkad, but they did not KEEP it when they could have, and the Falcons would have, had they not been thwarted) and the Hell's Horses who, last I read, were a bit sore over being strongarmed into Malvina's crusade and their disagreement over what the Mongol Philosophy meant. Hell's Horses that are flush with the spoils of most of the former Wolf OZ, and some time to rebuild.

As for the strength issue, COULD Clan Wolf (1) Take Terra? (IMO Yes, Especially if Devlin Stone is engaging in a Clanlike Trial rather than all-out war, which would suit his purpose to do) (2) Repudiate a Trial of Refusal over their claim to Terra and ilClanship? (I rate this also likely, especially if (A) the aforementioned trial of limited scope occurs and (B) They have the Wolf's Dragoons to dedicate solely to smashing the Falcons) and (3) Be useful to the Survival of a form of the Republic Afterwards? (Probably! Especially if my Post-Malvina-Falcons team up with the Wolves theory, or the Clan Wolf Absorbs Jade Falcon theories turn out true. )

With the falcons decked and laid out, and possibly reforming, their threat to the Republic is nullified. Which really leaves the Combine and the Capellan Confederation. But the Dragoons have already left Combine service, leaving their conflict with the Suns all the weaker for it. If the Clans heed the words of their founder and follow the ilClan at this point, then the Snow Ravens and Bears would be potential problems-in-waiting for a Combine that had it's eye on Terra. As for the Confederation, the Suns will be aching for some revenge on them as well, and I believe the Sea Foxes have already done some damage there. Should probably be the Priority Target for the Wolves following taking Terra.  Especially if things go the way they'd go if I were ilKhan, and the wolves entice the Lyrans, Federated Suns, and Jade Falcons into 3rd-Star-League-participation in exchange for assurances of said League's assistance.
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Re: ilClan Spoiler in 2nd SW? (Possible spoiler)
« Reply #72 on: 07 July 2020, 19:41:51 »
The Wolves' taking of Skye seems to very much be inline with reducing future Jade Falcon production, as well as, denying them their largest and arguably most important logistics hub in the vicinity of Terra. Also, it finally gives the Wolves the one thing they've lacked so far, while striking at the main strength of the Falcons, and that is naval construction and basing. With Skye the Wolves finally have someplace they can start building more Isengrims. Plus, the extraordinary amount of effort the Wolves put into trying to take the Flatus intact, I think shows that the Wolves are trying to redress the balance when it comes to Naval strength. 

Even if Alaric is successful in getting Malvina to bid away her Warships in a Trial for Terra and the IlClanship, I think everyone realizes, especially Alaric, that Malvina is ruthless and vindictive enough to use her Warships and nukes if it looks like she's going to lose, or that's the only way to win. So it would make sense to have a plan in place to prevent Malvina from putting those resources to use. 

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Re: ilClan Spoiler in 2nd SW? (Possible spoiler)
« Reply #73 on: 10 July 2020, 22:33:49 »
Does Clan Wolf have the strength to face off against the Falcons though and reliably win? Surely Stone would only make that gamble if he thought that the Wolves would be capable of gutting the Falcons whilst remaining viable enough to become the new new SLDF?

I'm not up on my DA fiction since so much of it was not in print & I like to read print.

But, last I checked in one of the books, FM3145?, the Wolves had absorbed huge portions of the Lyran & FWL military into their 2nd line units.
Your talking about The Wolves, the Dragoons, the Exiles, the ROTS, & big chunks of the FWL/LC.

Yeah, The falcons are NOT pulling that off.

The Wolves current position as having portions of 3 IS realms actually puts them in a very strong position to not just become IlClan but be a serious force for halting a LOT of the chaos from the last few years.

I could see it start to look a little like the 2nd SL with several "Allies" holding things together against several unaligned enemies.
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Re: ilClan Spoiler in 2nd SW? (Possible spoiler)
« Reply #74 on: 12 July 2020, 20:53:38 »
But, last I checked in one of the books, FM3145?, the Wolves had absorbed huge portions of the Lyran & FWL military into their 2nd line units.
Your talking about The Wolves, the Dragoons, the Exiles, the ROTS, & big chunks of the FWL/LC.

It's not quite that rosy.

the Wolves absorbed a large amount of FWL/LC Territory, and I'm sure there were some bondsmen taken from the units that were smashed in the process, but a lot of those troops that the Wolves bulked up on were not FWL/LC line troops, but rather Planetary Militia.
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Re: ilClan Spoiler in 2nd SW? (Possible spoiler)
« Reply #75 on: 12 July 2020, 21:35:29 »
The text also has the wolves expanding and replacing militia grade equipment with mechs from Lyran and Clan sources, and they also apparently managed to move most of their industrial infrastructure. Really, their ability to get these units up to snuff almost feels a bit "magic warehouse".

The Falcons also have a ready built fracture point in their own Touman and have managed to turn their ally into their enemy. I think when and if the time comes, the Wolves will be plenty strong enough to get their win. 
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Re: ilClan Spoiler in 2nd SW? (Possible spoiler)
« Reply #76 on: 13 July 2020, 05:16:45 »


With the falcons decked and laid out, and possibly reforming, their threat to the Republic is nullified. Which really leaves the Combine and the Capellan Confederation. But the Dragoons have already left Combine service, leaving their conflict with the Suns all the weaker for it. If the Clans heed the words of their founder and follow the ilClan at this point, then the Snow Ravens and Bears would be potential problems-in-waiting for a Combine that had it's eye on Terra. As for the Confederation, the Suns will be aching for some revenge on them as well, and I believe the Sea Foxes have already done some damage there. Should probably be the Priority Target for the Wolves following taking Terra.  Especially if things go the way they'd go if I were ilKhan, and the wolves entice the Lyrans, Federated Suns, and Jade Falcons into 3rd-Star-League-participation in exchange for assurances of said League's assistance.
This is a big question that I wanted to ask about the IlClan is that are all of the Clans going to follow? I would think most of them will, but I wonder if there is some dissidents depending on who takes it.

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Re: ilClan Spoiler in 2nd SW? (Possible spoiler)
« Reply #77 on: 13 July 2020, 06:38:24 »
Wasn't Shattered Fortress bit re-edited bunch of times before it was released because the break with writers?  I would have thought because things bit...jumbled alot things were left out because of the re-vamping of the book.  I can only imagine ilClan book itself going under the same process unless it started out fresh or it was broken off from the Fortress book.
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Re: ilClan Spoiler in 2nd SW? (Possible spoiler)
« Reply #78 on: 13 July 2020, 08:33:26 »
The text also has the wolves expanding and replacing militia grade equipment with mechs from Lyran and Clan sources, and they also apparently managed to move most of their industrial infrastructure. Really, their ability to get these units up to snuff almost feels a bit "magic warehouse".


They could just be mounting workshops on dropships like Eagle Craft Group does in order to protect them from raids. Any new stuff they pick up can be disassembled and rebuilt within a Mammoth

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« Reply #79 on: 13 July 2020, 17:18:11 »
This is a big question that I wanted to ask about the IlClan is that are all of the Clans going to follow? I would think most of them will, but I wonder if there is some dissidents depending on who takes it.

Anyone who completely disregards the clan that possesses Terra as the ilClan and thus the authority over the other clans is going against the words of the Founder Himself. That said, I think Clan Wolf is savvy enough to know that you cannot just strong-arm everyone into obedience, that it will require some coaxing and appeasing as well.

Which is why I have been saying over-and-over-again that a Post-Malvina Reforming & Rebuilding Clan Jade Falcon, as a seperate Clan (rather than absorbing what strength remains) is a valuable possible ally. If a Post-Malvina Falcons can be convinced that cooperation with the ilClan is a road to their preservation and rebuilding, then Clan Wolf can point to them and go "Our fiercest rivals have refused our claim and lost, and now recognize us as the supreme Clan above Clans. What is your issue, that you remain obstinant in recognizing our authority?" and shame a reluctant clan into line.

at the end of the day, I do not think it really matters, though, if the other clans follow the ilClan or if the ilClan stands alone. it would be nice if they worked with us, it would make reforming the Star League much easier, but I am not going to shed a tear for anyone who refuses to acknowledge the claim.
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Re: ilClan Spoiler in 2nd SW? (Possible spoiler)
« Reply #80 on: 13 July 2020, 17:34:53 »
They could just be mounting workshops on dropships like Eagle Craft Group does in order to protect them from raids. Any new stuff they pick up can be disassembled and rebuilt within a Mammoth

To be clear I'm not calling it "unrealistic". I don't think it's unrealistic in the same way that I didn't think the Word of Blake's buildup or even the "magic warehouses" of the post civil war era were necessarily unrealistic.

I do, however, think the Wolves ability to expand is vastly out of step with everybody else's ability to expand in the same amount of time with vastly greater resources available to them. And I get the feeling this is less to do with either realism or keeping with the feel of the universe than it does with ensuring that the Wolves are as strong as they need to be to take the prize, with only some attention paid towards justifying it.

Sort of the same way planetary militias are frequently a non-entity or speedbump to the main characters, right up to the point where the Wolves needed to build a couple new galaxies out of them, then rapidly refit them as mech equipped units. They might have once been "planetary militia", but that's not how they're going to play out.

It's not unrealistic, and it's not technically "magic warehouses." But it's kinda "magic warehouses".
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« Reply #81 on: 13 July 2020, 17:39:57 »
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at the end of the day, I do not think it really matters, though, if the other clans follow the ilClan or if the ilClan stands alone. it would be nice if they worked with us, it would make reforming the Star League much easier, but I am not going to shed a tear for anyone who refuses to acknowledge the claim.

We get more Battle with our Tech if other Clans are recalcitrant or non-compliant regarding the IlClan.  With cooperation comes PeaceTech.  Granted, it will eventually come to that, but only after a lot of fighting.  Then when the third Star League is fully formed it will make sense to have a time jump. 

Other views will vary.  I'm just musing with all the parts and clues we have been given.
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Re: ilClan Spoiler in 2nd SW? (Possible spoiler)
« Reply #82 on: 13 July 2020, 18:22:52 »
We get more Battle with our Tech if other Clans are recalcitrant or non-compliant regarding the IlClan.  With cooperation comes PeaceTech.  Granted, it will eventually come to that, but only after a lot of fighting.  Then when the third Star League is fully formed it will make sense to have a time jump. 

Other views will vary.  I'm just musing with all the parts and clues we have been given.

An excellent perspective. Though, even if the clans reluctantly line up and salute, that does not have to mean peacetech. "Peace" for the clans is a relative thing, the Golden Century was not an era without fighting, it was just civilized fighting. Not every era has to be all out war, threatening the very existence of mankind amongst the stars.
Шонхорын хурдаар хурцлан давшъя, Чонын зоригоор асан дүрэлзэье, Тэнхээт морьдын туурайгаар нүргэе, Тамгат Чингисийн ухаанаар даръя | Let’s go faster than a falcon, Let’s burn with the wolf’s courage, Let’s roar with the hooves of strong horses, Let’s go with the wisdom of Tamgat Genghis - The Hu, Wolf Totem

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Re: ilClan Spoiler in 2nd SW? (Possible spoiler)
« Reply #83 on: 13 July 2020, 19:09:26 »
An excellent perspective. Though, even if the clans reluctantly line up and salute, that does not have to mean peacetech. "Peace" for the clans is a relative thing, the Golden Century was not an era without fighting, it was just civilized fighting. Not every era has to be all out war, threatening the very existence of mankind amongst the stars.

That's true as well.  The era of the IlClan, and more specifically, the Third Star League, hopefully holds some pleasant surprises for us as players and readers.
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« Reply #84 on: 13 July 2020, 21:57:27 »
 I could see Alaric pulling a realpolitik with Nikol, wherein he allows the League to win proxy trials for worlds, with the understanding that he will receive necessary exports. The soil for such a deal may have already been seeded by the League supplying Clan Wolf with equipment. The Free Worlds League tends to embrace an eastern Roman Empire mentality with its diplomacy, and that is something that Alaric could appreciate.
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Re: ilClan Spoiler in 2nd SW? (Possible spoiler)
« Reply #85 on: 13 July 2020, 22:32:02 »
In my mind, I expect the ilClan Era to be a cold war of sorts before it hits the fan again.

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« Reply #86 on: 13 July 2020, 22:40:49 »
In my mind, I expect the ilClan Era to be a cold war of sorts before it hits the fan again.

That is a good way to view it.  Even the Star League era was a cold war that from time to time bubbled up in hot patches.  Not all was peace and love. 
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« Reply #87 on: 14 July 2020, 00:28:41 »
The real question is that how do the Inner Sphere Houses react to Terra falling to the Clans? I doubt they take the news about the Clans taking over that well or at least try to take advantage of them.

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« Reply #88 on: 14 July 2020, 00:34:44 »
The real question is that how do the Inner Sphere Houses react to Terra falling to the Clans? I doubt they take the news about the Clans taking over that well or at least try to take advantage of the situation.

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Re: ilClan Spoiler in 2nd SW? (Possible spoiler)
« Reply #89 on: 14 July 2020, 09:00:56 »
 Victor Steiner-Davion famously did not care about Terra, when the Clans stated that it was their goal. Whilst the Successor States are aware of Terra's potential, to them it is just a way of clans ending up as salients. If the Clans fight over it, all the better.

 To put it another way, the Free Worlds League can deal with Clan Wolf, but not the Jade Falcons. It would prefer Clan Wolf move away, yet sees the value in Clan Wolf preventing Clan Jade Falcon from bordering the League. If Clan Wolf leads Clan Jade Falcon to Terra for a fight, good. Let them fight it out. Heck, the Cappies might join in, making things all the more crazy. That Clan Wolf controls systems like Kalidasa, and Stewart is not good for the League's military industrial future. On the other hand, Clan Wolf would not want to defend systems from a serious Successor State offensive.

 Right now it appears that the barbarians are more powerful than the Successor States. This does not mean that the Successor States will not overcome them in the long term. The thing about Clan culture is that it is catered to deal with population, and resource poor regions, something that the Inner Sphere is not. It will go the way of the Vandal influence on world culture.

 Keep in mind that there is a system capable of producing warships, and we have no idea what is going on there.