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Daryk

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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #270 on: 15 August 2023, 17:27:43 »
How about 1 MG in each main arc, and 2 in the Turret? ???

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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #271 on: 16 August 2023, 05:08:02 »
Two reasons. The sillier one is that I've got a thing for trying to optimize turret weight (currently exactly 20 tons of stuff in the turret). The more rational one is that it seems likely that an urban combat unit will end up with infantry assaulting from a different direction from any big targets, so turret-mounted MGs would mean having to choose shooting the Urbie or the PBI. ;)

Also, it can load inferno, frag, and/or flechette ammo for the turret guns if PBI looks like a serious problem. :)

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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #272 on: 16 August 2023, 17:04:40 »
I missed a ton in there somewhere... sorry!

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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #273 on: 05 September 2023, 05:12:37 »
After running into FWL April assault tanks in the late 3rd SW certain LC commanders started demanding a matching vehicle on their own. In an unusual move for the LC military the response to a 100-ton monstruosity wasn't a superheavy monster, but rather a proposal from a smaller firm near the LC/FWL border to make a cheaper and leaner design to a similar concept.

By replacing the light AC with a 3rd SRM rack the LL could be upgraded to a PPC despite lower the vehicle's weight by 15%. The design was also marketed explicitly as a defensive unit (thought it soon found itself performing offensive actions anyway).

While not produced in large numbers demand for additional capabilities still provided reasons for two variants to be produced. The mk.IB reduces range to upgrade the AC to a ChemJet superheavy cannon for city combat while the mk.IC replaces the AC with a pair of light guns for fire support and AA duties.

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Janissary Guard Tank

Mass: 85 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Introductory
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/C-D-D-A
Production Year: 2750
Cost: 1 990 292 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1 020

Power Plant:  170 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 21,6 km/h
Flanking Speed: 32,4 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  PPC
    1  Autocannon/10
    3  LRM-5s
    3  SRM-2s
    2  Machine Guns
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      45 points                8,50
Engine:             I.C.E. Engine                170                      12,00
    Cruise MP:  2
    Flank MP:   3
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                       10,00
Control Equipment:                                                         4,50
Lift Equipment:                                                            0,00
Power Amplifiers:                                                          1,00
Turret:                                                                    2,00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 200                 12,50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     52       
                                          Left/Right   42/42       
                                              Turret     32       
                                                Rear     32       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3 LRM-5s                                     FR        6         3         6,00
SRM-2                                        FR        2         1         1,00
SRM-2                                        LS        2         1         1,00
SRM-2                                        RS        2         1         1,00
Autocannon/10                                T         3         1        12,00
2 Machine Guns                               T         0         2         1,00
PPC                                          T         10        1         7,00
@AC/10 (20)                                  BD        -         0         2,00
@MG (1/2) (100)                              BD        -         0         0,50
@LRM-5 (48)                                  BD        -         0         2,00
@SRM-2 (50)                                  BD        -         0         1,00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      7    Points: 10
2t         4       4       2       0      4     0   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: EE, TUR(3/2/1, AC 1/1/0), AC 1/1/0, IF 1

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Janissary Guard Tank mk.IB

Mass: 85 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Introductory
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/D-E-D-A
Production Year: 0
Cost: 2 260 392 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1 069

Power Plant:  170 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 21,6 km/h
Flanking Speed: 32,4 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Autocannon/20
    1  Large Laser
    4  LRM-5s
    3  SRM-2s
    3  Machine Guns
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      45 points                8,50
Engine:             I.C.E. Engine                170                      12,00
    Cruise MP:  2
    Flank MP:   3
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             8                         8,00
Control Equipment:                                                         4,50
Lift Equipment:                                                            0,00
Power Amplifiers:                                                          0,50
Turret:                                                                    2,00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 200                 12,50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     52       
                                          Left/Right   42/42       
                                              Turret     32       
                                                Rear     32       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4 LRM-5s                                     FR        8         4         8,00
SRM-2                                        FR        2         1         1,00
SRM-2                                        LS        2         1         1,00
SRM-2                                        RS        2         1         1,00
(R) Machine Gun                              RR        0         1         0,50
2 Machine Guns                               T         0         2         1,00
Autocannon/20                                T         7         1        14,00
Large Laser                                  T         8         1         5,00
@MG (1/2) (100)                              BD        -         0         0,50
@LRM-5 (48)                                  BD        -         0         2,00
@SRM-2 (50)                                  BD        -         0         1,00
@AC/20 (10)                                  BD        -         0         2,00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      7    Points: 11
2t         5       5       2       0      4     0   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: EE, TUR(4/3/0, AC 2/2/0), AC 2/2/0, LRM 1/1/1, IF 1

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Janissary Guard Tank mk.IC

Mass: 85 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Introductory
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/C-D-D-A
Production Year: 0
Cost: 2 147 542 C-Bills
Battle Value: 979

Power Plant:  170 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 21,6 km/h
Flanking Speed: 32,4 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  PPC
    3  LRM-5s
    2  Autocannon/2s
    4  SRM-2s
    2  Machine Guns
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      45 points                8,50
Engine:             I.C.E. Engine                170                      12,00
    Cruise MP:  2
    Flank MP:   3
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                       10,00
Control Equipment:                                                         4,50
Lift Equipment:                                                            0,00
Power Amplifiers:                                                          1,00
Turret:                                                                    2,00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 200                 12,50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     52       
                                          Left/Right   42/42       
                                              Turret     32       
                                                Rear     32       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3 LRM-5s                                     FR        6         3         6,00
2 SRM-2s                                     FR        4         2         2,00
SRM-2                                        LS        2         1         1,00
SRM-2                                        RS        2         1         1,00
2 Machine Guns                               T         0         2         1,00
PPC                                          T         10        1         7,00
2 Autocannon/2s                              T         2         2        12,00
@MG (1/2) (100)                              BD        -         0         0,50
@LRM-5 (48)                                  BD        -         0         2,00
@SRM-2 (50)                                  BD        -         0         1,00
@AC/2 (45)                                   BD        -         0         1,00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      7    Points: 10
2t         3       4       3       0      4     0   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: EE, TUR(2/2/2), IF 1

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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #274 on: 18 September 2023, 16:05:30 »
Finale of the VAMP series...

VAMP-STINGER III AMG-ASC-S3
Mass: 10 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Wheeled
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: All Eras (non-canon)
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Production Year: 1989
Dry Cost: 296,975 C-Bills
Total Cost: 431,975 C-Bills
Battle Value: 206

Power Plant: MARS GENERAL Fuel Cell 50 Fuel Cell Engine
Cruise Speed: 75.6 km/h
Flanking Speed: 118.8 km/h
Armor: Cobham Standard F-F Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    1 Quik-shot Mk. 3 SRM-4 w/ Artemis IV FCS
    1 Reese-Xmax Hitch
Manufacturer: AMG/MARS
    Primary Factory: Hasbroh
Communications System: Motorola SPF-89
Targeting and Tracking System: BushMarx 8.1 w/USM Artemis IV

Overview:
VAMP-STINGER III by AMG/MARS Industries
Considered to be the pinnacle development of AMG's VAMP-LSC, the Armored Scout
Car-STINGER III was manufactured in cooperation with MARS DEFENSE Industries.
Final development concluded with an eye to expanding the VAMP's battlefield
longevity.  The F-F armor plate was doubled, and the ICE engine was replaced by
a FC powerplant, which increased the maximum speed, and OS missiles were
replaced with an Artemis IV enabled SRM 4 pack, to include a ton of reloads.

The SRM load is enhanced with MARS Defense Tandem-charge (Stinger) warheads,
which are now guided by a Universal Standard (MARS) Artemis IV system.

All of these improvements are reflected in the vehicles being slightly over a
ton heavier than previous iterations.
However, with a final cost 4x that of the VAMP-A1 or -A2, sales were
considerably less than the STINGER's progenitors.  Thus, following the
Succession Wars, only a few hundred have survived outside of Sol system to
current day and are highly sought after by vehicle collectors.  There are
unverified reports of newer vehicles being seen in/around HPG stations,
ComGuard facilities and  WoB militia installations.

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Mass: 10 tons (20,160 lbs)
Length 17.5 ft (5.34 m), axle base 11.75 ft (3.6m)
Width 8 ft (2.44 m)
Height 7.5 ft (2.3 m)
Engine: PEM 225KW Fuel Cell powerplant
Suspension Independent 4×4 mk. 4
Fuel capacity 120L
Cruise Speed: 78 km/h
Flank Speed: 117 km/h (standard load)

Manufacturer AM General/MARS Defense Ind.
Unit cost 431,975 Cbills
Produced 1991–present
Number built: Several hundred thousand.

Primary Use: Planetary convoy defense and sensitive installation guard duty.
Secondary Use: Planetary militia Light Scout force.

Variants:
No varients, only observation of field mods incorporating standard SRM warheads
after all Tandem-Charge and/or Artemis-enabled munitions had been expended.


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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                       5 points                1.00
Engine:             Fuel-Cell Engine              50                       2.00
    Cruise MP:  7
    Flank MP:   11
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             1                         0.00
Control Equipment:                                                         0.50
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Turret:                                                                    0.50
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV -  35                  2.00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     9         
                                          Left/Right    7/7         
                                              Turret     7         
                                                Rear     5         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hitch                                        RR        -         1         0.00
SRM-4                                        T         3         1         2.00
    Artemis IV FCS                           T         -         0         1.00
@SRM-4 (TC) (12)                             BD        -         0         1.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      1    Points: 2
7w         1       1       0       0      1     0   Structure:  1
Special Abilities: EE, TUR(1/1/0)



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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #275 on: 19 September 2023, 02:26:30 »
Given the size of those missiles I think I'd have gone with a Thunderbolt/5 launcher! :cheesy:

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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #276 on: 19 September 2023, 10:58:41 »
Can tandem charges even use a Artemis system?
And should you bother? Just drop the Artemis and upgrade to a SRM6, the Artemis is 10% of the vehicles weight or an MG and half ton of ammo
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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #277 on: 19 September 2023, 12:37:36 »
Oddly enough, no they can't.

Apparently it's hard to fit alternative weapon packages with alternative guidance packages.

Or it's a balance point...
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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #278 on: 23 September 2023, 18:31:27 »
Given the size of those missiles I think I'd have gone with a Thunderbolt/5 launcher! :cheesy:
Or a straight out [url-Thunderbolt Missile]Thunderbolt[/url] missiles.
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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #279 on: 21 October 2023, 00:18:52 »
Sabelkatten:

Have you designed any Rifled Cannon equipped units?

I'm looking for a few more than the 1949 had.

More Great War feeling, really...

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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #280 on: 21 October 2023, 03:31:44 »
Not really... Rifle Cannons always felt a bit cludgy to me, more of a slightly desperat attempt making something "so bad it could be obsolete" rather than "old  things we have better alternatives to now".

Of course one could just slapp a RfC on a unit and call it a day - the light/medium/heavy RfC are pretty close in weight to a ML/AC2/AC5 on an ICE vehicle.

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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #281 on: 03 December 2023, 10:40:40 »
Introtech Burke rebuild, your response will be noticed

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Burke Defense Tank Succesion Wars Rebuild

Mass: 75 tons
Movement Type: Tracked
Power Plant: 225 ICE
Cruising Speed: 32.4 kph
Maximum Speed: 54 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 Machine Gun
     1 AC/20
     1 LRM 10
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 2975
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-E-D-D
Cost: 1,866,813 C-bills

Type: Burke Defense Tank
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Introductory)
Movement Type: Tracked
Tonnage: 75
Battle Value: 1,177

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  7.5
Engine                        225 ICE                20
Cruising MP: 3
Flank MP: 5
Heat Sinks:                   0                       0
Control Equipment:                                  4.0
Power Amplifier:                                    0.0
Turret:                                             2.0
Armor Factor                  264                  16.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Front                   8         66   
     R/L Side               8/8      52/52   
     Rear                    8         42   
     Turret                  8         52   


Weapons
and Ammo                      Location    Tonnage   
AC/20                          Turret       14.0   
Machine Gun                    Turret       0.5     
LRM 10                         Turret       5.0     
LRM 10 Ammo (24)                Body        2.0     
AC/20 Ammo (15)                 Body        3.0     
Half Machine Gun Ammo (100)     Body        0.5     


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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #282 on: 03 December 2023, 17:44:51 »
That's a... rebuild, all right!

50% faster, double the armor, half the range... Given that it's pretty much a new vehicle it really needs a little fluff to explain how it ended up like that. Given how similar it is to the Von Luckner maybe it was rebuilt with parts from one?

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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #283 on: 03 December 2023, 18:33:10 »
You know... an LTAC would fit in that in turret... ;)

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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #284 on: 03 December 2023, 21:06:06 »
the long and short of the write up for the reason for rebuilding it is that the planet of Tania Australis, with the Second Tania Dragoons reeling from the first half of the Third Succession Wars, needed some tanks. They had the frames and drivetrains that were left over after the FWL stripped the nations Burkes for their Fusion Engines and PPCs. The nation still needed heavy tanks so they took said frames and drive trains and put an ICE engine inside, (all that was available that would work was Aldis GM225 ICE) before mounting an Imperator Class 20 Autocanon, a Sperry-Browning MG and a Gamma-10 LRM after which they piled on as much armor as the thing would hold.
« Last Edit: 03 December 2023, 21:14:05 by wolfgar »
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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #285 on: 03 December 2023, 22:11:52 »
LTACs hit the market around 3015 or so... :)

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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #286 on: 04 December 2023, 05:33:42 »
Yeah, stripping out the PPCs makes sense in the FWL given their problems with PPC production.

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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #287 on: 04 December 2023, 06:15:27 »
Playing around with the numbers a bit gave me this WYSIWYG variant of the Burke. Amusingly, this silly budget version actually has a higher BV than the original!

An occasionally seen refit of the Burke, usually on worlds in the former TH. Replacing the PPCs with medium ACs saved enough weight to replace the old 150 SFE with a 225 ICE and even add some armor.

As attrition mounted during the 3rdSW tanks were more often forced to fight with limited support and some mod 29A Burkes were further modified into the mod 29B which removed a ton of AC ammo and a little armor for a pair of MGs in the turret.

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Burke mod 29A

Mass: 75 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/C-C-D-A
Production Year: 0
Cost: 1 791 563 C-Bills
Battle Value: 824

Power Plant:  225 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 32,4 km/h
Flanking Speed: 54,0 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    3  Autocannon/5s
    2  LRM-5s
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      40 points                7,50
Engine:             I.C.E. Engine                225                      20,00
    Cruise MP:  3
    Flank MP:   5
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             0                         0,00
Control Equipment:                                                         4,00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0,00
Turret:                                                                    2,50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 144                  9,00

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     39       
                                          Left/Right   30/30       
                                              Turret     25       
                                                Rear     20       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
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2 LRM-5s                                     FR        4         2         4,00
3 Autocannon/5s                              T         3         3        24,00
@AC/5 (60)                                   BD        -         0         3,00
@LRM-5 (24)                                  BD        -         0         1,00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      5    Points: 8
3t         2       3       3       0      3     0   Structure:  4
Special Abilities: EE, TUR(2/2/2, AC 1/2/2), AC 1/2/2, IF 1

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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #288 on: 11 December 2023, 06:58:21 »
A more straightforward modification of the Burke in places where advanced weapons are less in demand, the Burke ICE simply replaces the engine with a diesel and removes one of the PPCs. Saved weight is used for extra armor and LRM ammo.

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Burke ICE

Mass: 75 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Introductory
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/C-C-C-A
Production Year: 0
Cost: 1,802,500 C-Bills
Battle Value: 814

Power Plant:  150 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 21.6 km/h
Flanking Speed: 32.4 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    2  PPCs
    2  LRM-5s
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      40 points                7.50
Engine:             I.C.E. Engine                150                      11.00
    Cruise MP:  2
    Flank MP:   3
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             20                       20.00
Control Equipment:                                                         4.00
Lift Equipment:                                                            0.00
Power Amplifiers:                                                          1.50
Turret:                                                                    1.50
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 152                  9.50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     38       
                                          Left/Right   33/33       
                                              Turret     28       
                                                Rear     20       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
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2 LRM-5s                                     FR        4         2         4.00
2 PPCs                                       T         20        2        14.00
@LRM-5 (48)                                  BD        -         0         2.00

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      5    Points: 8
2t         2       3       3       0      3     0   Structure:  4
Special Abilities: EE, TUR(2/2/2), IF 1

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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #289 on: 11 December 2023, 17:48:38 »
That's a pretty nice smoke machine right there! :)

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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #290 on: 11 December 2023, 20:59:08 »
Must be a Combine derivative as they are the only one of the 5 houses with excess PPCs
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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #291 on: 12 December 2023, 02:16:39 »
AFAIK the Burke isn't very common post-SL, so I figure it's mostly a local phenomena - if your unit has a three PPCs in storage the Burke gets to keep them, otherwise you find some ACs for it. azn

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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #292 on: 12 December 2023, 13:38:12 »
The Kokou is the Burke IIC after all...

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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #293 on: 15 December 2023, 09:27:18 »
The Puolustaja was originally designed in the LC during the late SL era to provide planetary garrisons with a relatively cheap unit that could stand up to modern long-range weapons fielded by mech forces. Despite being popular amongst its users the tank never became particularly notable and thus was mostly ignored during the SW-era rebuilding efforts. During the 4th SW it could still be found in small numbers all over the LC as well as the bordering areas of the DC and FWL.

The most notable part of the Puolustaja career actually came after the war of '39. A DC firm somehow got access to the design plans and somehow managed to persuade the DCMS to fund limited production to counter the FRR's new Axel tanks. No records exists of how they managed to sell a defensive unit as a counter to a defensive unit of a mostly friendly power! Of course no record of combat between Puolustajas and Axels exists, but as almost the entire DCMS inventory of the tanks thus existed within the clan invasion corridor in 3050 it finally managed to grab some attention - significantly since clan mechwarriors didn't expect to find a budget ICE tank that could hit them with significant fire at long range.

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Puolustaja battle tank

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Motive Type: Tracked
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/C-D-D-A
Production Year: 2750
Cost: 1 247 813 C-Bills
Battle Value: 904

Power Plant:  195 I.C.E.
Cruise Speed: 32,4 km/h
Flanking Speed: 54,0 km/h
Armor:  Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Autocannon/10
    4  LRM-5s
    2  Machine Guns
Manufacturer:
    Primary Factory:
Communications System:
Targeting and Tracking System:

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                      35 points                6,50
Engine:             I.C.E. Engine                195                      16,00
    Cruise MP:  3
    Flank MP:   5
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             0                         0,00
Control Equipment:                                                         3,50
Lift Equipment:                                                            0,00
Turret:                                                                    2,00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 168                 10,50

                                                      Armor     
                                                      Factor     
                                               Front     45       
                                          Left/Right   34/34       
                                              Turret     30       
                                                Rear     25       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat     Spaces     Mass 
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2 Machine Guns                               FR        0         2         1,00
Autocannon/10                                T         3         1        12,00
4 LRM-5s                                     T         8         4         8,00
@AC/10 (20)                                  BD        -         0         2,00
@LRM-5 (72)                                  BD        -         0         3,00
@MG (1/2) (100)                              BD        -         0         0,50

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 9
3t         2       3       2       0      3     0   Structure:  4
Special Abilities: EE, TUR(2/3/2, AC 1/1/0, LRM 1/1/1, IF 1/1/1), AC 1/1/0, LRM 1/1/1, IF 1

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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #294 on: 15 December 2023, 20:34:02 »
4 LRM-5s is "significant fire"?

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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #295 on: 16 December 2023, 04:36:36 »
Look at most heavy tanks in both this thread and canon; 5-10 LRM are usually it if they have any at all. Dedicated fire support tanks being the obvious exception.

So a couple of clanners get told to "take care of" a tank company. They see the intel photos show them moving and looking like a regular tank company, so they bring mechs that can snipe the tanks to pices and handla the ~100 or so LRMs they might return. And then they suddenly face 240, and when they rush in there are still a dozen heavy ACs!

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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #296 on: 16 December 2023, 05:41:39 »
True, but most of it will be in 3-point groups...

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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #297 on: 16 December 2023, 10:52:19 »
shrugs, so the armor on their omnimechs gets sandblasted a bit before they are in AC range, i don't see a problem with that
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Re: Smokin' tanks!
« Reply #298 on: 16 December 2023, 11:19:48 »
5 point groups wouldn't make much difference, really.

It’s actually based on a MM scenario I played, a couple of clan mechs against a bunch of IS tanks run by the bot. I misjudged the distance a little, underestimated the firepower a lot, and my Hellbringer basically disintegrated in one turn!