Non SLDF warships which went on exodus?

[Stormlion1]

It counts on the states and how they treated Kerensky during the Amaris Coup. The FedSuns and Lyrans were noted for material aid while the Combine wouldnt let a screw loose without a struggle. I can easily see some of the states allowing there ships to take over for SLDF units in the Periphery but not for major combat operations.

[RifleMech]

I would think for the exodus Kerensky would be actively seeking transport ships more than he would warships. Anything with a large cargo capacity that he could get his hands on. I think that'd mean he'd be more likely to buy jumpships from the Houses than Warships. Not that I think the Houses would want to risk having their warships turned against them. I think if the Houses were to sell warships to Kerensky after the Civil War they'd be old long retired warships that had been stripped of weapons, than anything the Houses would likely want to use themselves.

I also think Kerensky would try to refurbish every ship in SLDF and RWR bone yards with large cargo and dropship capacities that he could. It'd help hide his ship numbers from possibly hostile houses and periphery.

[Maingunnery]

Could the Makos have been salvaged during the periphery uprising by the SLDF?

[Weirdo]

To supplement the ones they already had?

[truetanker]

I know Kerensky took some Avatars for their cargo capacity, maybe a Sylvester but definitely Carracks...

For jumpers the highest collar amount one can get, I have a pet peeve about why the Invader-C is such a crappy ship... it was replaced by the Odyssey-class jumper. Since were told that from ye ol' battlespace that the clans use a Invader variant, the Invader-C.

Heavier yes, but size isn't everything. At a glance both look the same so misinterpreted? And/or mis-identified by Comstar.

TT

[Weirdo]

Invader-Cs? They just use plain old Invaders, just like they use Star Lords, Monoliths, and whatnot.

[jimdigris]

Now that I think about it, the Field Report 2765 ships probably were at their highest proportion during the Coup.  Kerensky needed to replace his ships and couldn't do so from the Hegemony shipyards.  The other house lords (CC, FS, LC) would have been happy to sell to him because it meant revenue for the treasury and jobs for their realms.  It also would make it easier to keep their own naval numbers up because warships made in bulk are cheaper.  There are real-world examples that operate right now, which I will not mention to avoid politics.

[truetanker]

Invader-Cs? They just use plain old Invaders, just like they use Star Lords, Monoliths, and whatnot.

Except we don't know how many, if any, are of new builds. Centuries old constructs or a more recent one, it's also explicitly explained as the clans also use the Invader in their toumans called Invader-C. ( Which I believe is Clan ER Larges or ER PPCs, though a Large Pulse Laser may work as well, since it has enough Single Heat Sinks to counter the heat loads. )

TT

[Weirdo]

There is no evidence whatsoever that the House Lords sold WarShips to Kerensky during the Amaris war, or after. None.

[Stormlion1]

Also note the House Lords were hostile to Kerensky after the Amaris Coup ended. The last thing they wanted to do was give him more power. Not while they were all positioning themselves to take the Star League throne.

[jimdigris]

Also note the House Lords were hostile to Kerensky after the Amaris Coup ended. The last thing they wanted to do was give him more power. Not while they were all positioning themselves to take the Star League throne.

I was speaking of the time during the war. I agree with you after the war ended.

[jimdigris]

There is no evidence whatsoever that the House Lords sold WarShips to Kerensky during the Amaris war, or after. None.

It was not mentioned, but that isn’t evidence that they didn’t. We can only speak of possibilities, barring a ruling from a writer.

[Weirdo]

They were pretty hostile during the war as well. The most you got from the friendliest ones was free passage through their territory. Nothing more, or hardly anything at all.

It was not mentioned, but that isn’t evidence that they didn’t. We can only speak of possibilities, barring a ruling from a writer.

That's what the Non Canon Units and Fan Fiction forums are for, not up here.

[jimdigris]

Having just gone through the books, Houses Steiner, Davion, and Liao were not hostile to Kerensky, and the Combine was providing Kerensky with intelligence without him knowing.  However, the book states that they only gave him rights to transport and use their bases.  Therefore, I concede that Kerensky was unlikely to have purchased warships during the coup.

[Jellico]

What ships were available for sale?

The 2750 era reports should make the limited numbers clear.

[dgorsman]

What are the thoughts on the SL Navy having some member state vessels (even if maintaining older ones) for OpFor training?

[RifleMech]

What are the thoughts on the SL Navy having some member state vessels (even if maintaining older ones) for OpFor training?

I suppose it could happen. Although I think they'd be more likely to keep some of their own retired ships, the ones they were selling, than buy others retired ships.

[Jellico]

There is not much doubt that it happened. Ships like the Samarkand and Mako are specifically stated as being sold. The doubt is over more high value units like the Atreus or Tharkad.

[Sjhernan3060]

There is not much doubt that it happened. Ships like the Samarkand and Mako are specifically stated as being sold. The doubt is over more high value units like the Atreus or Tharkad.

Even one tharkad would have been a sizable chunk of the Lyran navy and was pretty top of the line during the coup right?

[Weirdo]

Not just during the coup. Any time.

The Davions were the largest ships known to have been sold by the Houses to the SLDF, and they sucked. I highly doubt anything bigger was ever sold.

[truetanker]

I want to say every scrapable salvaged hunk of RWR hulks would be used.

TT

[Weirdo]

I want to say every scrapable salvaged hunk of RWR hulks would be used.

TT

Near as we can tell, that consisted of a single Avatar.

[Sjhernan3060]

There is not much doubt that it happened. Ships like the Samarkand and Mako are specifically stated as being sold. The doubt is over more high value units like the Atreus or Tharkad.

Here is a crazy question the founder of the Steiner blood house amongst the cobras, would this illegitimate scion have a sweet naval escort or would they have been just another grunt?

[Weirdo]

Maybe not 'just another grunt', but his resources would lie in the contacts in his address book, not for any resources assigned to him. Any WarShip in the same system as this guy is either there on coincidental business(REAL coincidences, not contrived ones), or is there to deliver the message that all his blood relatives just died and he's coming home NOW.

Neither situation would see a Lyran ship go on the Exodus.

My advice: Strongly consider the idea that the reason we've heard nothing about these major House WarShips going on the Exodus is that they didn't go on the Exodus.

[Sjhernan3060]

Maybe not 'just another grunt', but his resources would lie in the contacts in his address book, not for any resources assigned to him. Any WarShip in the same system as this guy is either there on coincidental business(REAL coincidences, not contrived ones), or is there to deliver the message that all his blood relatives just died and he's coming home NOW.

Neither situation would see a Lyran ship go on the Exodus.

My advice: Strongly consider the idea that the reason we've heard nothing about these major House WarShips going on the Exodus is that they didn't go on the Exodus.

Well stated I yield the floor 😀

[truetanker]

For a correction...

My advice: Strongly consider the idea that the reason we've heard nothing about these major House WarShips going on the Exodus is that they didn't go on the Exodus.

Unless said Warships decided on joining, rather than being deployed, somewhere else... after all people get tired of orders that see friends and crewmates die needlessly, slaughtered because of the chain in command demanded it. Call it mutiny or else, I for one would look for a peaceful way out. What's better a life on the run with fellow idealists or maybe die on the next time I enter combat... you decide.

Besides, Kerensky is a great general and a sound tactician! Why not join up?

TT

[Weirdo]

In a setting where every major faction has a secret police of some flavor or another? Good luck with that. And even if you could steal a WarShip and go AWOL, remember: even the House Lords were taken completely by surprise by the Exodus. How would ship captains know?

[jimdigris]

Speaking as someone who previously argued that there would be a few House-built warships among the SLN, I don't see anyone defecting from a house fleet to join Kerensky on the exodus.  Personality types who are promoted to command positions don't do that kind of thing.

[truetanker]

How would ship captains know?

What captains? If the crew wanted too...

TT

[jimdigris]

I suspect that warship crews are vetted for things like that.  Besides, it's a lot harder to convince enough of a crew to defect.  In real life, individual infantrymen have defected or deserted, but I can't recall a warship ever changing sides.  The only full mutiny I've heard of was the HMS Bounty.  There have been a few other cases where junior officers relieved the captain, but they didn't leave their navy.
Edit: Now that I think about it, at least one Russian flagship, the Potemkin, declared for the revolution when the the Romanovs fell.  But that was more of a mutiny than a defection and it was backed by a very visible civilian uprising.  And during WW1, a sizable number of German sailors rioted toward the end of the war after being confined in their ships and seeing no action for months.