Clan Jade Falcon III: Admittedly, We May Have Falconed a Little Too Hard

[Bren]

I'm planning a Cluster that's built entirely out of what's in active production on Sudeten and the most difficult part was trimming it did to "just" a Cluster.

I've been ruminating on this as well:

[worktroll]

I'm planning a slightly non-canon - either another cluster, or a "2nd Falcon Sentinels" trinary. Olive green with dark yellow trim, with yellow beak & falcon eyes, and no feathers.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Heresy.

[worktroll]

No, the consequence of the Great Tech Paint Rebellion ...

[BrianDavion]

Sounds like my plan for doing "the 2nd dawnguards" "........ DIAGONAL YELLOW? PFFT NOOOOOO!" :)

[worktroll]

TBH. depending on how many and which units, it's not actually that bad. Citadel contrast paints & shades make all the difference. Happy to talk via PM if you're interested.

[BrianDavion]

TBH. depending on how many and which units, it's not actually that bad. Citadel contrast paints & shades make all the difference. Happy to talk via PM if you're interested.

I mean YELLOW itself isn't a problem, I paint Imperial fists, but the diagonal is a bit of a hassle. but yeah best not hijack a jade falcon thread any further :)

[Weirdo]

I'm planning a slightly non-canon - either another cluster, or a "2nd Falcon Sentinels" trinary. Olive green with dark yellow trim, with yellow beak & falcon eyes, and no feathers.

Sounds like my plan for doing "the 2nd dawnguards" "........ DIAGONAL YELLOW? PFFT NOOOOOO!" :)

Both of you. Get on the Shadowy CSO Paint Scheme Council. NOW.

[Scotty]

I humbly submit that the 2nd Falcon Sentinels have a Jade/green body/fuselage, navy blue with steel panels for the limbs, and red accents on the blue.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

That would be a pretty cool canon paint scheme.

[jimdigris]

I've been ruminating on this as well:

Where is this from?

[Bren]

My desktop! I keep fiddling/adding to it as I dig up info or new stuff is released.

[JAMES_PRYDE]

So using the (lovely and ever expanding) "current-ish" mechs and their production lines (as shown above) , throw in the Totem Mechs, Ion Sparrow, Hierofalcon, Jade Hawk, Jupiter, Grand Summoner and Turkina, would this be an approximate write up of what "could be" in future Jade Falcon Toumans ? As in Star compositions Supernovas, etc

Also due to the times and changing attitudes, more mixed forces too (Infantry/Tank/ASF/VTOL), what could they be ?

That raises another question in the rebuilding phase, Elementals, the ONLY source of Hargel in the Inner Sphere is the Foxes, quiaff ? And they get a little from the Scrops too ?

Can I even manage to get the underdog of Proto's thrown in? More Terran Falcons as they have lots of ASF pilots spare or abit of my stretch lol 

[tassa_kay]

Can I even manage to get the underdog of Proto's thrown in? More Terran Falcons as they have lots of ASF pilots spare or abit of my stretch lol 

Falcons don't use Protos. The only factions that do are the Horses and the Ravens (the Scorpions used to, until their current writer took them away for nonsensical reasons).

[Scotty]

Protos are antithetical to the current Falcon situation.  They have more mechs than they know what to do with, but lack the trained pilots to use them.

The newer totems are all in Alyina Merchant League space so they're much less likely but not impossible to be found with the Remnant and vice versa.

[ISD]

I humbly submit that the 2nd Falcon Sentinels have a Jade/green body/fuselage, navy blue with steel panels for the limbs, and red accents on the blue.

Seconding MoneyLovinOgre4Hire, if I had the time (and navy blue paint), I'd give this a go today because it does sound cool!

[Weirdo]

I humbly submit that the 2nd Falcon Sentinels have a Jade/green body/fuselage, navy blue with steel panels for the limbs, and red accents on the blue.

Is it supposed to be blue in that emblem? My eyes always see purple.

Aside from that, that's pretty close to what I have planned for my ace Delta Galaxy pilot. :)

[Bren]

I always liked the OG sourcebook logo the best -- my best try at it on the left. Newer one is a bit squished in the x-axis as well.

[rebs]

Nice looking reproductions, though.  This was the Jade Falcon of Aidan Pryde, it stands for all time since.

[parable]

Once the Mercs Kickstarter delivers, I might have a free star to paint up in those colors.  Jade torso, navy blue limbs, steel/unpainted limb armor plates, red caution/exhaust/bumper number &c.?  Sounds like a fun scheme.

[Bren]

As the Kerensky Con JPG said ... the upcoming Falcon pack will supposedly consist of:

• Eyrie
• Gyrfalcon
• Shrike
• Jupiter
• Cougar

Unfortunate that the Jade Hawk is parceled away and we're getting another Cougar, but I was curious about what people thought of available vehicles ...

Given the Falcons new reliance on vehicles, which of the three unique, Sudeten types would you like in the pack if they were to replace the Cougar?

• 2 x Nacon
• 2 x Gurzil
• 2 x Huey

Huey would have the added benefit of being available to all Clans throughout almost their whole history.

Unfortunately Sarah Regis stole our remaining cool toys.

[Tyler Jorgensson]

I doubt they’d throw in a vehicle (not impossible just not likely unless you’re the Horses (because they are for the Horses with the Epona!))

BUT

I’d say the Gurzil would be better than the Nacon (even if I want both because I want all in new plastic). Again I’d prefer the JES II or III but the Gurzil works and looks pretty decent.

[Generic Clanner 24601]

Protos are antithetical to the current Falcon situation.  They have more mechs than they know what to do with, but lack the trained pilots to use them.

The newer totems are all in Alyina Merchant League space so they're much less likely but not impossible to be found with the Remnant and vice versa.

While I don't think Protos are coming to the Falcons, I can see a possibility. Protos were originally failed Aerospace genotypes. Something like that might be a possibility. He needs bodies and if they failed to become Aerospace pilots, they can serve the Clan in a different way. Similar to how he tells the GB sibkos they will be some kind of warrior even if they fail to make it as a mechwarrior.

The main issues are the lack of Protomechs since they weren't using them before and the time they have before there sibkos are ready to start graduating (rereading AQoS before the sequel comes out and it states the oldest sibkos left are 14). It's possible he feels a little less pressure for bodies once they sibs come into their own. Or it may give him time to get some Protos of his own.

I am not saying this likely. Just possible.

[Scotty]

Protos are a stopgap for mech- and resource-poor Clans.  The Falcons are the exact opposite of that right now, there's genuinely no point in developing down that line for the current Falcons.

You'd be better off offering second chance TOPs for MechWarriors.

[Generic Clanner 24601]

Protos are a stopgap for mech- and resource-poor Clans.  The Falcons are the exact opposite of that right now, there's genuinely no point in developing down that line for the current Falcons.

You'd be better off offering second chance TOPs for MechWarriors.

Just to point out, Protos are for Aerospace phenotypes.

It's not about material resources but losing warriors to failing out. Mechwarriors and Elementals can become tankers and standard infantry, something Aerospace phenotypes are a little less cut out for.

I'm not dying on this hill. I don't think it's likely. I even thought of other reasons against it. I just think it's a possibility because it does give him bodies on the field which he needs.

[Fire Scorpion IIC]

Aerospace trueborns can just become helicopter or jet pilots no problem

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

There's also nothing that states that aerospace phenotype warriors can't pilot mechs.  And on top of everything else it isn't even certain if Jiyi has any aerospace phenotypes in his forces.  The sibko program on Sudeten was disrupted by Malvina's tantrum on the planet, and he wasn't going to get any in the Bear cadets he absconded with because the Bears never bothered adopting that phenotype.

[BrianDavion]

Just to point out, Protos are for Aerospace phenotypes.

It's not about material resources but losing warriors to failing out. Mechwarriors and Elementals can become tankers and standard infantry, something Aerospace phenotypes are a little less cut out for.

I'm not dying on this hill. I don't think it's likely. I even thought of other reasons against it. I just think it's a possibility because it does give him bodies on the field which he needs.

sure but there's no reason to bother, they have more ASFs then they have crew, rather then build protos, the falcons proably would benifit more from temporarily relaxing training standards

[Scotty]

If your concern is losing Warriors to wash out, you're still better served just letting them do another TOP.  Protos solved a problem for Smoke Jaguar and continue to solve a problem for the Horses and Ravens; that problem doesn't exist for the Falcons.  The only "problem" that Protos would solve for the Falcons is a cultural one for which the answer is not exclusively (or at all given their current state of zero infrastructure) protos.

[ColBosch]

If your concern is losing Warriors to wash out, you're still better served just letting them do another TOP.  Protos solved a problem for Smoke Jaguar and continue to solve a problem for the Horses and Ravens; that problem doesn't exist for the Falcons.  The only "problem" that Protos would solve for the Falcons is a cultural one for which the answer is not exclusively (or at all given their current state of zero infrastructure) protos.

I'd say that the cultural issue is even more firmly against Protos; the Scientist Caste revolt in Falcon space was built around the supposedly-abandoned ProtoMech program. I am fully aware of the hypocrisies of Clan society and honor, but fielding a symbol of revolt is a step too far.