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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #90 on: 05 November 2019, 11:57:04 »
could you imagine the show of two planes with that performance trying to dogfight?
I can't see more than one head on pass because by the time one plane turns around, the other one will be 2 time zones away.

Most of what we know of ACM will need some revisions based on the fact that turning at these speeds would be a bad day.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #91 on: 05 November 2019, 14:54:43 »
Planes that can't turn at that speed can't dogfight, and can't remain in the air long at the lower speeds. It'd be a short clip - two radar vectors intersecting for a fraction of a second ...

Now F-15s, F-16s - they can turn and burn, and boom and zoom.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #92 on: 05 November 2019, 15:36:26 »
More in common with ICBM intercept vehicles, methinks.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #93 on: 06 November 2019, 09:02:46 »
Planes that can't turn at that speed can't dogfight, and can't remain in the air long at the lower speeds. It'd be a short clip - two radar vectors intersecting for a fraction of a second ...

Now F-15s, F-16s - they can turn and burn, and boom and zoom.
As an SR-71/A-12 pilot, I would start to nervous if I heard there was a YAL-1 out there, looking for me...
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #94 on: 07 November 2019, 13:00:53 »
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #95 on: 07 November 2019, 13:03:10 »
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #96 on: 07 November 2019, 13:07:56 »
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #97 on: 07 November 2019, 13:43:46 »
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Looks like a boss fight from an early 90s shooter game.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #98 on: 07 November 2019, 13:44:02 »
Is that a fuel tank on the port pylon between the rockets & body?
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #99 on: 07 November 2019, 17:24:04 »
Looks more like a camera pod to me...

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #100 on: 07 November 2019, 18:39:47 »
Looks more like a camera pod to me...

Bit confused what he's referring to. I see the sensor gimbal below the nose, what I assume are left and right main gear wheels, then mostly daylight between the rocket hardpoint and the body, and exhaust nozzle pointed up and away from the engine intake.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #101 on: 07 November 2019, 18:45:54 »
I thought he was talking about the Super Hind...

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #102 on: 07 November 2019, 18:46:24 »
This is not a render.

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #103 on: 07 November 2019, 18:46:56 »
Ummm… was there supposed to be a picture?  ???

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #104 on: 07 November 2019, 18:54:36 »
I thought he was talking about the Super Hind...

Ah, quite possibly. The quoted picture threw me off.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #105 on: 07 November 2019, 18:56:32 »
Odd... the second time I came back to this thread, Kidd's picture was there, but not the first, and there's been no visible edit...  ???

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #106 on: 07 November 2019, 19:15:36 »
Odd... the second time I came back to this thread, Kidd's picture was there, but not the first, and there's been no visible edit...  ???
I made a mistake with the URL link, and edited it within the same minute it was posted, so there was no "edited at xxx" message

just an FYI so web admins know there isn't any glitch here :thumbsup:

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #107 on: 07 November 2019, 19:17:27 »
Thanks for the update!  I was wondering if I was seeing things for a minute there... Just bad timing on my part it seems...

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #108 on: 07 November 2019, 22:17:29 »
Is that a fuel tank on the port pylon between the rockets & body?

Looks to be the exact type of tank the Havoc (or is it is often referred to as: the Apachski) is carrying.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #109 on: 07 November 2019, 22:38:07 »
Looks to be the exact type of tank the Havoc (or is it is often referred to as: the Apachski) is carrying.

Are those holes in the front of those pods?  Could those be gun pods?
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #110 on: 07 November 2019, 23:00:30 »
So, Netflix just popped up a new documentary: Spitfire: The Plane That Saved the World.

Anyone seen it?
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #111 on: 08 November 2019, 01:16:37 »
I thought he was talking about the Super Hind...

I was, someone else responded to make it look out of place.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #112 on: 08 November 2019, 03:47:16 »
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #113 on: 08 November 2019, 06:40:48 »
Because the Hind wasn't ugly enough allready

The Hind is like the A-10: big, bad, and beautiful.

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #114 on: 08 November 2019, 11:30:35 »
Paint up a Hind and they look pretty good!
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #115 on: 08 November 2019, 12:16:03 »
Paint up a Hind and they look pretty good!
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #116 on: 08 November 2019, 12:36:44 »
Changing the focus of discussion, I have been reading the Haynes Owners' Workshop Manual on the RAF Tornado and reading about the work up for deployment for Gulf War 1 in 1991 and the general introduction to service in the 1980s and thinking about how old fashioned so much of the technology sounds - for example the inability to launch "smart" munitions, that the radars in service with the RAF before the F3's was 1950s technology (ignoring the American technology in the F-4 Phantom and just looking at domestically produced kit) etc


Then I realise how long ago that all was, I was a child but reasonably military geeky (albeit still at primary school) when the first Gulf War happened and everything since has been a technology driver for military output as attempts are made to minimise boots on the ground and risk to our own forces while also lessening "collateral damage"


The RAF has now retired the Tornado earlier in 2019 after 40 years of service


I am saddened that the RAF no longer has a fighter aircraft with a back seater as I do think that the capability to have someone concentrating on flying while another looks at sensor data or coordinates from up close is worth having (the other aircraft that would benefit from that in my opinion is the A-10)


Now, here are some pictures from Wikipedia
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #117 on: 08 November 2019, 13:10:41 »
The Tornado always seemed to have a really big tail.

I am going to say the last (and I think already longest serving) Cold Warrior will be the B-52.
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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #118 on: 08 November 2019, 13:51:25 »
The Czechs won that competition forever.

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Re: Aviation Pictures: How expensive can a fifth generation thread be?
« Reply #119 on: 08 November 2019, 13:56:04 »
Nope.  But that's probably the most PG version of Gieger's art I've seen.  Most of it is rather disturbing.

Regarding the Tornado, anyone else play the flight sim?
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