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Re: Bienvenidos al Imperio del Escorpión II : Necrosia Boogaloo
« Reply #630 on: 21 October 2018, 06:54:09 »
Snord has a pretty clear background. He's a Wolf Freeborn
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Re: Bienvenidos al Imperio del Escorpión II : Necrosia Boogaloo
« Reply #631 on: 21 October 2018, 11:03:11 »
I don't think so...

Maybe a freeborn GS seeker who trained with the Dragon Compromise trainees... When they needed fillers to "act" natural, freebiths were selected. Performances over brutal tactics and all that.

I for one, think almost ever clan selected a few Stars of freebirths to join, as we're taught that this is a clan infiltration unit. Sure Wolf sent the majority of people, but the training came from Goliath Scorpion and the mechs from various caches around the Home Worlds. I'll even bet Falcon, Bear, Raven, Adder and some prized, including Snord, individuals from the other clans were sent along.

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Edit: I just remembered something, most of the Infantry where a "fierce" force to fight, particularly 7th Kommado, Smoke Jaguar freebirths? Every Wolf Dragoon was from somewhere originally, we just don't have official numbers, per SOP of FASA/CGL.
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Re: Bienvenidos al Imperio del Escorpión II : Necrosia Boogaloo
« Reply #632 on: 21 October 2018, 13:11:10 »
I feel like when I was rereading FM:  Warden Clans last week, that it did mention a couple of GS did accompany the Dragoons (in addition to training them).  Could be that Snord was one of them.  Nothing's been said one way or the other, but it's definitely not impossible.

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Re: Bienvenidos al Imperio del Escorpión II : Necrosia Boogaloo
« Reply #633 on: 21 October 2018, 19:52:48 »
Edit: I just remembered something, most of the Infantry where a "fierce" force to fight, particularly 7th Kommado, Smoke Jaguar freebirths? Every Wolf Dragoon was from somewhere originally, we just don't have official numbers, per SOP of FASA/CGL.

Just not sure I can see a Smoke Jaguar freebirths could be whipped into the elite force that 7th Kommando were unless instead of based on SAS model I've always assumed they went full Spetsnaz style.

Snord has always since we heard of the Goliath Scorpion seemed to have been one of their Seekers.
 
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Re: Bienvenidos al Imperio del Escorpión II : Necrosia Boogaloo
« Reply #634 on: 21 October 2018, 22:12:57 »
I want to say they formed the backbone whereas command was Wolf based. A Star was 100-125 people, a Company was base 4 Platoons : 84-112. Which means some people were re-assigned...

So if we went with 3030 era WD Infantry table...
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/File:WolfDragoons7thKommando.png

They used a 5 Platoon " Battalion " which would mean either 20 / 21 Jump - 25 / 28 Motorized units. ( 100-125 / 105-140 )

Now these would seem like the standard Motorized Infantry but with Man-Portable PPCs ( range 2 .72 ) and Pulse Laser Rifles ( range 1 .25 ), possible Towed AC/5s for support. ( range 6 5. ).

( Quick = 20/21 - 1.72 (2) / 2.22 (2) a Squad - 6.88 (7) / 6.66 (7) a Point-Platoon (Jump), 8.6 (9) / 8.88 (9) (Motorized)
If using the towed AC/5s, you'd -1MP per turn( currently 3 MP if standard ) and carry 20 rounds each gun, 5 / 4 depending on what system your using. Remember this is 7th Kommandos were talking here, if trying to infiltrate most likely House standard kit or current enemy House kit, also Merc stuff as well.

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Re: Bienvenidos al Imperio del Escorpión II : Necrosia Boogaloo
« Reply #635 on: 15 November 2018, 10:14:44 »
Hey everyone, I just made this insignia for my home brew seeker unit, and was wondering if I could get feedback.

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Re: Bienvenidos al Imperio del Escorpión II : Necrosia Boogaloo
« Reply #636 on: 15 November 2018, 10:15:49 »
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Re: Bienvenidos al Imperio del Escorpión II : Necrosia Boogaloo
« Reply #637 on: 16 November 2018, 02:23:37 »
what do the 7 stars represent?

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« Reply #638 on: 16 November 2018, 06:46:42 »
Looks good. The only change I would suggest is moving the two stars away from the tail.  :thumbsup:
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Re: Bienvenidos al Imperio del Escorpión II : Necrosia Boogaloo
« Reply #639 on: 16 November 2018, 16:52:17 »
Or just the one behind the tail, unit could be a different color star on the stinger to represent them.

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Re: Bienvenidos al Imperio del Escorpión II : Necrosia Boogaloo
« Reply #640 on: 16 November 2018, 17:17:53 »
Yeah, I noticed that too. I was thinking of changing the color of all the stars.

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Re: Bienvenidos al Imperio del Escorpión II : Necrosia Boogaloo
« Reply #641 on: 29 December 2018, 23:21:28 »
Nice insignia.  The colors are good, but yeah, the two syars by the scorpion's tail. 

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Re: Bienvenidos al Imperio del Escorpión II : Necrosia Boogaloo
« Reply #642 on: 31 December 2018, 16:23:27 »
Minnesota Scorpions for the win?

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Re: Bienvenidos al Imperio del Escorpión II : Necrosia Boogaloo
« Reply #643 on: 31 December 2018, 17:23:20 »
I feel like when I was rereading FM:  Warden Clans last week, that it did mention a couple of GS did accompany the Dragoons (in addition to training them).  Could be that Snord was one of them.  Nothing's been said one way or the other, but it's definitely not impossible.

Necroposting, but I finally found my copy of Rhonda's Irregulars. It gives full biographies for both Cranston and Rhonda Snord. Cranston was a Wolf Freeborn who tested up into the Warrior Caste. He's not a Goliath Scorpion and he's certainly not a Seeker.
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Re: Bienvenidos al Imperio del Escorpión II : Necrosia Boogaloo
« Reply #644 on: 31 December 2018, 17:28:38 »
But he could have been a GS Seeker before his trial to gain Wolf Dragoons status... which would, if played right, been a freebirth fight... how many freebirths would do this? Not many, but at least he can say he won...

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Re: Bienvenidos al Imperio del Escorpión II : Necrosia Boogaloo
« Reply #645 on: 31 December 2018, 17:41:16 »
He was no doubt influenced and encouraged by the Goliath Scorpions that helped to train the Wolf's Dragoons, then. 
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« Reply #646 on: 31 December 2018, 17:52:32 »
But he could have been a GS Seeker before his trial to gain Wolf Dragoons status... which would, if played right, been a freebirth fight... how many freebirths would do this? Not many, but at least he can say he won...


No. It's clear that he was just a common or garden Wolf Freebirth before he became a member of the Dragoons. He has no connections to the Scorpions or Seekers at all. His interest in history and archaeology is a hobby that developed once he was in the Inner Sphere.
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Re: Bienvenidos al Imperio del Escorpión II : Necrosia Boogaloo
« Reply #647 on: 06 January 2019, 00:06:07 »
as best, the fact that Scorpions, including some seekers, helped train the Dragoons as a whole in SLDF combat methods inspired Snord to emulate some of the Scorpion interests.

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Re: Bienvenidos al Imperio del Escorpión II : Necrosia Boogaloo
« Reply #648 on: 19 January 2019, 16:27:16 »
So, Crimson Seeker Star.

I was vaguely hoping for an Escorpión /Sea Fox alliance, but that doesn't look so likely now.
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Re: Bienvenidos al Imperio del Escorpión II : Necrosia Boogaloo
« Reply #649 on: 19 January 2019, 21:49:03 »
Re: Crimson Seeker Star

Good Job Wantec!

Really enjoyed it. Loooove how it ties to things like the capture of the Lum Shipyards and the 3071 Eridani Lancer expedition.

Would have liked a few unique unit variants, although there are some nice little things sprinkled in there that the Imperio can take advantage of.

Too Bad CGL still hasn't chosen to fix the spelling of Imperio del Escorpión. Yes I understand the whole language drift argument, but if you speak the language it reads like nails on chalkboard, sorta like:
    In Clan Exiles Wolf
    Falcon Jade The
    Blake of Word
    Fede-Sun-Rated The
    Sea Clan Fox
    League Worlds Free
    Dom-Tort-Inions-Uga
    Republic The Worlds Rim
    Of Magistracy Canopus
    Cobra Clan Cloud
    Mandrill Clan Fire

We should rewrite some canon to reflect English language drift!

We would get some linguistic magic like:

1. When Sun-Tsu finally retook the Ives Compact St.
2. Phelan was captured on Rock The to join the Blood Ward House and eventually founded the In Clan Exiles Wolf!

Still very happy the Scorps got some love!

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Re: Bienvenidos al Imperio del Escorpión II : Necrosia Boogaloo
« Reply #650 on: 20 January 2019, 20:51:23 »
@ Talpini...look at Objectives Periphery pg 32...maybe your idea is not totally impossible. The faction you mention was definitely active in the area just as the Scorps arrived.

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Re: Bienvenidos al Imperio del Escorpión II : Necrosia Boogaloo
« Reply #651 on: 23 January 2019, 18:01:14 »
They're mentioned as clashing in the intro. Though, I suppose clashing is how clanners make friends...

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« Reply #652 on: 30 January 2019, 14:36:41 »
They're mentioned as clashing in the intro. Though, I suppose clashing is how clanners make friends...

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Re: Bienvenidos al Imperio del Escorpión II : Necrosia Boogaloo
« Reply #653 on: 07 December 2019, 18:35:12 »
Quick question: Which Scorpions era is more interesting to you? Clan or Imperio?

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Re: Bienvenidos al Imperio del Escorpión II : Necrosia Boogaloo
« Reply #654 on: 07 December 2019, 20:23:15 »
I started out firmly in the Clan camp on this, but I’ve swung over time to the Imperio. In the end, I think I’m most interested in its continued evolution.

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« Reply #655 on: 09 December 2019, 01:13:27 »
Seconded. Would be good to see an Imperial Touman incorporating lessons learned from the Hellions, Mandrills, Castilians with the original Scorpion doctrines.

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Re: Bienvenidos al Imperio del Escorpión II : Necrosia Boogaloo
« Reply #656 on: 15 February 2020, 17:56:46 »
What can Scorpions, err, Imperio, whatever, manufacture?
Wondering because the Arana features Clan ER lasers and a fusion engine, yet the Scorpions have apparently put lower-spec "improved" equipment into production. And the Clan military proper apparently uses better quality stuff than what the security caste does.
Would they use fission engines in military vehicles if necessary? EDIT Wait, what, Combat Vehicle Fission engines are not available for the Clans? This might rules them out... then again mixed tech is an option...

Also, do we know if they still exploit waters like in the Homeworlds? I mean, i always got an impression the Goliath Scorpions were among the most water-focused Clans, with deep diving suits and later the Undine.

EDIT It occurs to me that the Scorpions don't have a supply of HarJel, do they?
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« Reply #657 on: 16 February 2020, 00:47:56 »
They produce the "improved" weapons because it's a way to kick-start their industry towards mass-production without the more resource-intensive Clan-grade processes. They will eventually unlock Clan-grade mass-production, but survival, unity and rapid advancement are the current priorities.

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« Reply #658 on: 16 February 2020, 01:50:07 »
it is implied that the two mechs we got entries for represent use of a limited supply of clantech equipment they brought with them when they left the homeworlds. presumably hardware that was going unused (the ProtomechAC's) or they had a reasonable surplus of (the CERML's.)
the local industry was capable of making primitive mechs and supporting succession war period systems prior to their takeover, though it can be hard to tell how much of that may have been damaged durign the takeover (or by saboteurs afterwards.) it is likely that their choice to use industrial chassis equipment was meant to allow them to mass produce them quickly, since it is likely the scorpions wrecked a lot of the native mech units during their takeover, and they'd need stopgaps.

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« Reply #659 on: 18 February 2020, 06:53:54 »
Like any new nation, it would be better for the Imperials to concentrate on conventional units first before focusing on Mechs. Suits, tanks and ASFs are useful defensive stopgaps and a prudent investment for an initial industry before moving to Mechs, DropShips and at the very end, WarShips.

The Imperio can create at least one or two conventional garrison clusters per world(maybe even a conventional Galaxy) if they boom the conventional units during their first decade or so.

 

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